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From the D1 Manual:
17.2.8.3 Varsity Squad Size Limitation—Championship Segment. An institution shall declare a varsity squad of a maximum of 35 student-athletes by the day prior to its first scheduled contest in the championship segment of the playing and practice season.

The "championship segment" is spring baseball. If a team plays games in the fall (very rarely done in D1), that is the "non-championship segment".

For most schools, the roster needs to be declared in the early part of February.

Thank 3fingers

So no sense sitting around waiting for a fall roster to be posted.

I have no idea what coaches plans are for son but I guess fact they expect him to keep showing up for AM/PM workouts--that they have not hinted he should consider transferring or redshirting suggest he is still part of the team even if not yet named on roster.

BTW, if you don't mind--what are time frames for RS a player??? (he is a freshman).

a good number of teams have rosters on line now

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NE14BB wrote:
BTW, if you don't mind--what are time frames for RS a player??? (he is a freshman).
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NE14BB:

I've read 3FG's explanations of red shirts so often, I'm emboldened to answer for him.

The term Red Shirt doesn't appear in the rule book. A player has 5 calendar years in which to play 4 years of ball. The 5 year clock started when your son began full time classes this fall, regardless of whether he makes the team or plays. Whether this year counts as one of the four years of competition depends on whether the coaches play him.

How'd I do 3FG?

Swampboy,

Looks good to me.

OK- I get the whole 5 to play 4 thing but why is it then that some coaches--rather players--get the RS label?

Read enough on here to know RS are "counters" in regard to rosters so seems a coach must make that determination. Does coach have a duty to inform NCAA or not?

ne14bb,
It seems that you're misunderstanding some things.

People mean various things by the term "redshirt", but I'm not aware of any usage that relates to being a counter. A "counter" is a player who is receiving athletic aid. All counters must be listed on the 35 man roster, but there can't be more than 27 counters.

At the end of any season, typically a few players will end up having not appeared in any games. That could happen by pre-arrangement between player and coach, because a player was injured before the season began, or because the coach just didn't ever put the player in the game. Whatever the reason, the effect is that the player didn't use a season of competition.

The NCAA has no interest in any pre-arrangement, and there is nothing to declare until the following fall, when squad lists are submitted. Some teams keep track of freshman who didn't play, and lists them the following year (on the website) as a RS freshman. That means that the player is in his second year of school but has 4 season of eligibility remaining. However, the NCAA simply keeps track of when a D1 player first enters school full-time, and also how many season of competition the player has used.

People often believe that pre-arranging to "redshirt" carries some benefit. It doesn't, and that's why the NCAA isn't interested. The pre-arrangement simply means that the coach is quite sure that the player won't be useful in games during that season.

Sometimes a player who did play in some games suffers a season-ending injury, receives a hardship waiver, and is so deemed to have not used a season of competition. In a sense, such a "medical redshirt" carries a benefit-- a player can have played in a few games, but doesn't use a season of competition. However, the benefit comes at the cost of a serious injury.

Great response 3 Fingers--thank you!