has anyone ever had there hand go numb while iceing there arm?
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I honeslty don't think that's a good thing. You can actually start to freeze your funny bone (which is actually a nerve).
Just to bring you guys up to date, orthopedic dr.s are now recommending no ice. What you are doing is iceing down dead blood from lactic acid the arm has builtas it throws. Oh, by the way, any time you apply ice on the elbow more that 8 min., you run the risk of hurting the nerves. The best thing to do after pitching is "Run". Not sprint, but a nice jog for about 20 min. During that time, the blood will circulate through your system a couple of times and remove the lactic acid that has built up from the pitching session. You will find that the sore arm syndrom will just about disappear and recovery time will be much faster. Then if it makes you feel better, go ahead and apply the ice, which by then won't do very much for the arm or shoulder. My son is a pitcher, and believe it or not, this process really works. We don't use ice any more at all and he he has not complained about soreness in a good while.
quote:orthopedic dr.s are now recommending no ice.
Was this information just released or is it being witheld from coaches, trainers, and team doctors?
I don’t think there is any consensus on ice/no ice. Some of the very best surgeons in the world are the Team Doctors for Major League Teams. There are a lot of MLB pitchers who ice.
You always ice after the jog. Never ice the elbow. Only ice after an outting that would be enough stress to require it. You ice the forearm bicep and shoulder with on off about ever 10-15 min. You are not trying to deep freeze your arm.Icing helps reduce swelling and recovery time. If you don't ice it is not the end of the world and recovery time takes a little longer.
PG is right as usual. There is not a consensus among sports docs. Many do ice.
In general, icing serves two purposes. It helps deaden pain and it helps reduce swelling.
If there is no pain or swelling, I don't see the need for icing. Talking with area sports orthos (who do all the work for a nearby Big 12 school), they don't recommend it unless there is soreness. But they readily acknowledge that the nearby Big 12 school ices their pitchers, in spite of their advice.
Texan son has never iced and has been free of arm problems.
In general, icing serves two purposes. It helps deaden pain and it helps reduce swelling.
If there is no pain or swelling, I don't see the need for icing. Talking with area sports orthos (who do all the work for a nearby Big 12 school), they don't recommend it unless there is soreness. But they readily acknowledge that the nearby Big 12 school ices their pitchers, in spite of their advice.
Texan son has never iced and has been free of arm problems.
What about icing while riding a stationary bike for 25 minutes? Seems like the best of both worlds. That and hot-ice.
quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
You ice the forearm bicep and shoulder with on off about ever 10-15 min.
My son is a 13u P and has never iced his arm yet but I'm thinking at some point soon it would be a good thing to consider. I will definitely recommend the "run" but IF he does get iced, is bobble suggesting 3 separate ice packs; forearm (inside or outside?), bicept and shoulder??? Or do you rotate an ice pack to the various locations? Obviously I've seen P's "saran-wrapped" in dugouts but never paid much attention to exactly where the ice was.
Beezer we have a pro desined icer and it covers the 3 areas.
It is very important you do not leve the pack on too long and that you do it a few times until arm cools down.
It is not going to harm your son's arm if he doesn't ice but it will take longer to recover.
It is very important you do not leve the pack on too long and that you do it a few times until arm cools down.
It is not going to harm your son's arm if he doesn't ice but it will take longer to recover.
MY ortho/sports docs do not recommend icing--i know others who do advise that you ice---
I have never been a fan of icing but that is my choice
I have never been a fan of icing but that is my choice
My son started icing after an elbow injury - on the advice of his doctor - and has been (knock on wood) injury free since then.
It probably depends upon the player and how their arm is constructed...
It probably depends upon the player and how their arm is constructed...
Icing is individual.
Most don't realize that Sandy Koufax, who made the trend popular, did so because of the extreme conditions he faced.
Most don't realize that Sandy Koufax, who made the trend popular, did so because of the extreme conditions he faced.
My son has been icing his arm after pitching going on four years now. He has never had an arm problem, but that could be for the grace of God.
Here's his routine: 1) He runs after each start, 2) He long-tosses 5-6x week, 3) Day 2 and 3 he also ices and heats. (Three 20-minute sessions of icing and heating with a pad to stretch out the muscles).
Seems to work well for him. Any thoughts?
Here's his routine: 1) He runs after each start, 2) He long-tosses 5-6x week, 3) Day 2 and 3 he also ices and heats. (Three 20-minute sessions of icing and heating with a pad to stretch out the muscles).
Seems to work well for him. Any thoughts?
I don't have any great insights on this but I'm confused about the thought that running after pitching is useful to rid the body of lactic acid that was built up. My understanding is that pitching is an anaerobic, alactic activity. So, if this is true, running would not be required for that reason. It may have other benefits and I'll leave that up to those who know more than I (just about everybody 
).
I've also read one person's view that you would ice because you can look at the pitching action as creating many microscopic "damages" and icing would be responding to those.
Anyone out there have more knowledge about this than I?
). I've also read one person's view that you would ice because you can look at the pitching action as creating many microscopic "damages" and icing would be responding to those.
Anyone out there have more knowledge about this than I?
