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This is one of the better articles I have seen on the conflict between the owners and MLB players. From WSJ. 

If There’s No Baseball, Will You Miss It?

An old sport is booting away the summer. They better hope that enough fans care.

 
 

Cardinals pitcher Andrew Miller sits on the bench following a loss.

PHOTO: L.G. PATTERSON/ASSOCIATED PRESS

Here’s what baseball needs to know: I watched a slug race the other day.

I’m serious. My children, who are now largely unsupervised and feral, found a pair of slugs while playing outside, and they set up a track to pair them off in a one-time-only mollusk match race.

Ready, set, slug!

It was fantastic. Brilliant. If you were there, I would have bet you $10 on the outcome. Maybe $20. I clapped. I cheered. I…I…gave up after about 12 seconds. Those slugs were, you know, slugs. They weren’t going anywhere. The race was a bust. We returned them safely to the earth.

 

The point is we’re trying. The point is we’re making do. There aren’t many sports being played—well, very few of them, outside of cage fighting and golf, which, let’s be honest, are basically the same sport—and we’ve learned how to do other things. Whether your life is still in lockdown, or fully opened up, we can’t just wander over to the television, turn it on, and fritter away the rest of the afternoon watching strangers chase a ball around.

We have to talk to our families. Make eye contact. Set up board games. Go for walks. Do puzzles. Bake cookies. Do the puzzle again. Go for another walk.

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Would it be nice to have a ballgame on? Absolutely. Is it critically necessary? Well…

This is what the past couple of months have taught us: Humans evolve. We miss our rituals and past behaviors—but we adjust. I have not worn nice pants since the Super Bowl. It’s fine. I’ve become the Steve McQueen of Drawstring Sweatpants. I rotate the same three T-shirts. I will probably never go back to personal sartorial dignity. I may have a yard sale and sell all my dress shoes and collared shirts. I’ll tell you when it is. I’ll sell you a slug track, too, cheap. And all the puzzles.

This is what baseball needs to know. The creaky old pastime is fighting again, yowling about how there might not be a 2020 season, how the billionaire owners and millionaire players can’t come to terms on a deal to play a pandemic-shortened season. It wants us to yowl, too—demand that all parties come to the table and hash this dispute out. It wants us to get very, very, angry, and act like this is very, very important and very, very essential.

But the danger isn’t public anger. It’s ambivalence. It’s whether there are enough people who care enough to care.

To be clear: I care. I want baseball back. I want everything back. I’m already on record about this, I explained it the other day. I want lazy summer doubleheaders and games on the radio and the comical early season hopefulness of Mets fans. More important, I want baseball to keep going, so people who work in ballparks and team offices can keep their jobs. Pro sports are bigger than the plutocrats. It’s helpful to keep that in mind.

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How much will you miss baseball if the 2020 season doesn’t happen? Join the discussion.

(If nothing else, I want baseball to come back because I am really worried about my dear colleague, the Journal baseball writer Jared Diamond. You have no idea how despondent Jared is right now. If baseball doesn’t come back, he’s going to break into Yankee Stadium and run shirtless around the base paths.)

The danger is that the rest of the population, the non-shirtless Jareds, they’re moving on. They know what it’s like to not have baseball in their lives. We’ve spent these past few months making a whole lot of mac & cheese and gaining a whole lot of perspective. There are serious crises in this country—history-defining moments for public health, the economy, and equality and justice—and the absence of baseball just doesn’t rise to the top of the list of Most Important Things.

This is what baseball needs to get.

Rob Manfred, right, spoke with Mike Greenberg on ESPN's 'The Return of Sports' on Monday.

PHOTO: ESPN

Sports can’t presume anything right now. That was my takeaway watching Monday night’s “Return to Sports” on ESPN special with league commissioners. The bosses of several major sports got airtime to talk about the revivals of their games—well, MLB commissioner Rob Manfred got something slightly more than that; he got a light sautéing from ESPN host Mike Greenberg—and while everything but baseball appears to be coming back, everyone still sounds a little unsure about what to expect. NBA stars see protests in the streets and wonder if now’s the right time to detach into a sanitized Disney World bio-bubble. A handful of NFL players tested positive for coronavirus the other day—and it isn’t like football can be socially distant.

 
 
 
Cardboard Fans, High-Five Bans: Baseball During the Pandemic
Cardboard Fans, High-Five Bans: Baseball During the Pandemic
Live sports are starting to come back after months of coronavirus-enforced standstill. Among the changes: quieter stadiums, ubiquitous face masks. The WSJ’s Andrew Jeong attends a baseball game in South Korea to see how they play through a pandemic. Illustration by Crystal Tai

These are fair anxieties amid a scenario that is unprecedented in sports history. It’s clear the Return to Sports will be less of a triumphant, country-opening firework than it will be a cautious first step. These games are billed as a return to normalcy, but it’s pretty clear they’re not going to be normal at all.

That’s what baseball needs to get. Nothing’s the same, and it may not be for a while. Like I said, I watched a slug race the other day.

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I've been waiting for a thread about MLB starting/not starting, thanks BOF.

Put it this way, if baseball does not come back, most people may not care (or notice).  If it does come back soon, people will care.  It's summer, baseball is played outside, it should be happening.  If they promote it right, MLB will be seen as supporting the American way of life.  

Sadly, they (owners?  players?  Manfred?) don't seem to recognize that they have any cultural role or meaning or symbolism.  It's ridiculous, especially in a time of national crisis.

What's so stupid is that they are arguing about money, but they have missed a HUGE opportunity to build goodwill, which would have resulted in economic growth.  Instead, all they've done this year is said, we're cutting MiLB baseball in many locations, and we're too greedy to play games.  Even if it's all about the money, this was completely shortsighted.

I care, but for me baseball is about more than the games and the play on the field.  It's about the history.  It's about watching players chasing destiny - older veterans trying to burnish the HOF numbers or career records, a younger guy chasing greatness, the newest phenom, etc.  It's about the pennant races and the playoffs, and the World Series.

With a 50 game season, all of this stuff is gone.  It's like watching April and May and then calling it quits.  It just doesn't excite me.

Several years ago I would never have though I would become indifferent to MLB ...

For the past couple of years I’ve found MLB regular season baseball boring and drawn out. I would only turn on Sox games as background noise and occasionally look up. Even in 2018. I didn’t even make an effort to watch Sox-Yankees games. I didn’t watch other games. I didn’t pay any attention to MLB until the CWS was over. I watched regional action daily. I attended a lot less MLB games. It was more of a social event than a baseball game.

I don’t care if baseball comes back this year. I would rather watch post season NBA and NHL than boring, drawn out regular season MLB. The NFL season isn’t far behind basketball and hockey in starting their season.

Baseball, take a hike. I’ll decide next year if I care it’s back. This is the first time since Camden Yards opened I haven’t gone to a Sox game there. 

MLB baseball needs to worry about fans like me. I’ve gone from diehard fan to indifferent. I’m not mad at MLB. I’m indifferent. I just don’t care. 

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I agree with the sentiment that they have blown the chance to capitalize on "first back" and that both sides are being greedy and short-sighted in a time when the fan base needs something altogether different.

That said, I certainly see potential that the other pro sports will face significant setbacks and maybe stoppages again with watered down fan-less games, outbreaks, etc.  This could inadvertently put MLB in position next Spring to be the first pro sport to start back up with little or no restrictions or changes to the traditional offering, which could make for a very welcomed return.  If so, they sure better have their sh!+ together by then.

I went to a local little league last Sunday with about 9-10 fields for a tournament.  No skin in the games, just wanted to watch my son coach a 13U team while MLB decides what the milb is going to do.  There were hundreds, if not a thousand or more, people there.  No one wearing masks.  It was the most normal I have felt in 12 weeks.  (we sat in the outfield).

Yes, I will miss pro ball, but I may decide to adopt a new youth team.

RJM reflects my sentiment.  In fact I would broaden the statement beyond baseball to sports in general.  Have you had enough of the chattering sportscasters like me?  A little Steven A or Skip Bayless was a laugh but now - unwatchable and often grating. 

I am not looking forward to NBA or NHL playoffs in August.  The NFL is going to be a grind to watch with the politics after Labor Day into November.  We are going to hear endlessly from all directions about this or that with the flag, BLM or whatever else brews up.  Tyler Murry summed this up nicely today by saying "You think I give a Fu$k" when told about a fans position on kneeling for the anthem.  Tip of the iceberg unless cooler heads prevail.  I do wonder if telling customers to "Fu$k" off is a winning strategy in the long run.  I doubt it is but at least he is 100.

And.....if we get Round 2 of the virus and repeat the shutdown in any meaningful way - we might see the Super Bowl in June 2021.  God forbid we have a 10 month football season interrupted for 4 months at Thanksgiving.

It might be time to find a list of the 100 greatest books ever written and read them and see if we can survive without 24/7 sports forever.

To add to Luv’s comments i don’t watch sports for political and social commentary. If athletes want to speak up do it away from the field. Usually a tv viewer won’t see the national anthem other than big games. If I get kneeling shoved down my throat along with unqualified political comments from sportscaster I’ll be turning the games off. 

Normally, my day involves some business phone calls in the morning. Then I get on my bike for six miles to Dunkin or Panera. I hang out and read news on my iPad for a couple of hours, drink coffee and chat with regulars. Then I do a ten mile route home. 

Without being able to hangout in Dunkin or Panera for a couple of hours I’ve been biking about twenty-five miles each day.

If there isn’t sports next winter or the interjected social politics has me turned off I’ll get a weekday season pass to a ski resort only 60 miles from one of my homes and ski at least three days per week.

The woman I date has been away since early March attending to her 92yo mother. With all the exercise I’m getting I’ve replaced her with brownies and ice cream. Her mother told me to fly down since she’s dying anyway. I’m not going to be the reason she expires a couple of months early. 

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RJM reflects my sentiment.  In fact I would broaden the statement beyond baseball to sports in general.  Have you had enough of the chattering sportscasters like me?  A little Steven A or Skip Bayless was a laugh but now - unwatchable and often grating. 

I am not looking forward to NBA or NHL playoffs in August.  The NFL is going to be a grind to watch with the politics after Labor Day into November.  We are going to hear endlessly from all directions about this or that with the flag, BLM or whatever else brews up.  Tyler Murry summed this up nicely today by saying "You think I give a Fu$k" when told about a fans position on kneeling for the anthem.  Tip of the iceberg unless cooler heads prevail.  I do wonder if telling customers to "Fu$k" off is a winning strategy in the long run.  I doubt it is but at least he is 100.

And.....if we get Round 2 of the virus and repeat the shutdown in any meaningful way - we might see the Super Bowl in June 2021.  God forbid we have a 10 month football season interrupted for 4 months at Thanksgiving.

It might be time to find a list of the 100 greatest books ever written and read them and see if we can survive without 24/7 sports forever.

NBA-don't care if it ever happens again

NFL-pretty much the same as above, the whole kneeling thing was a huge turn-off and with goodell's latest musings, really don't care if I ever see it again. I would watch the playoff's and certainly the superbowl but won't ever care again who wins or loses.

NHL-been a long time since I cared at all. Haven't given it a 2nd thought since the 'Yotes made the playoffs.

MLB- never really been a huge regular season fan, haven't been to a game in a few years. Still watch the playoffs religiously though.

College football-will still watch it all the time!

A month ago I was really missing sports on TV. Then I found Netflix....Most recently watched the 'Peaky Blinders' series....Outstanding!!! Now in the 'Dexter' series and just like a good car crash....can't look away!

Is steven-A and bayless still on TV? Those 2 are the absolute WORST!

Are Steven A and Bayless still on TV? Those two are the absolute WORST!

FS1 has an entire team of sports journalists who have refined terrible. There are so many cable channels and so many news and sports pundits. Except for the handful who excel and are genuinely insightful the only way to get any attention is be outrageous every day. It’s mostly absurdity. 

The surgeon general has determined talk radio and talk tv may cause brain damage. It definitely causes misinformation. 

If I'm reading these posts correctly, it sounds like we have all become ambivalent (there is that word again) if we weren't already.   The ambivalence isn't baseball-centric but sports in general has become an assault of the senses.  Nobody wants to listen to these broadcasters yammer on about nothing, and say nothing a hundred different ways.   Nobody wants political platform as commentary with their sports.   Professional sports has become a huge freaking hassle just to watch in the comfort of your own home.   I know what your thinking..."well, fenwaysouth can't you just turn the volume off or down?"  Yes, I could and that would be proving my point.   I want to hear the beautiful sound of the crack the bat, a crunching tackle, a hip-check into the boards, or the wonderful sound of world class tennis sneakers squeaking on the hard courts.   I paid for a nice TV sound system, I want to use it for the game itself not the incessant yapping that comes with it.  

Two realities.   First, the market is speaking to professional sports but its not listening.   Covid-19 has exposed that people can live just fine and find other things to do without sports.   Hence their money is going elsewhere.   People miss sports but not nearly as much as they thought they would.   This is going to effect professional sports salaries and contracts in the coming years.   It has already started.  The professional sports leagues are going to be fighting over our dollars.   Second, something has to be done with these commentators (mostly the analysts).    Why is it so hard to find analysts who want to just talk about the game.   I really don't understand how they stay employed.

I've said my peace.   I'm tired of Covid-19.  I'm tired of crappy broadcasters, bring in some new broadcasters.    #FigureItOut

@BOF posted:

Looks like there is some movement. We'll see. 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertai...-inch-220342247.html

 

 

Well that didn't work out so well....

At first I blamed the owners, then the players, then the owners, now the players.... 

It is clear that Tony Clark is herding a bunch of cats and has no power within his organization. 

All the while, the folks paying their salaries are learning to live without sports and guess what? It's not so bad. 

The owners can go back to whatever earned them their billions, the player can go back...Oh wait...they can become insurance salesmen... and the rest of us can move one to whatever interests us, my new hobby is fly fishing.

 

@BOF posted:

... and the rest of us can move one to whatever interests us, my new hobby is fly fishing.

 

Definitely not an easy hobby to pick up.  A lot harder than it looks.   Hopefully you'll have better luck than I did, and you have more patience.  Here is a free tip...be very quiet.  Fish avoid a constant barrage of very strong language.

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