If you are watching bowl games

Since they're getting a free ride, they're already getting paid with a free education. No way should they get money.

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I disagree. I love watching the CWS. In my book there is nothing better.

I might watch some of the 'Whatever Bowl' that Auburn and Oregon are playing in for the BCS National Championship.

But that's just me.

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Maybe the BCS bowls. But otherwise there are too many bowls. 6-6 teams do not deserve a bowl game.

And the Cam Newtons, Tyrell Pryors, Mike Leach's, and Pete Carroll's of the game really turn me off to the sport.

And, maybe it's just because I've been to Omaha a few times...the CWS is nothing short of an awesome experience.

I'm not sure why some NCAA sports are full scholarship while others are only partial? The players are being paid; we all know the relative cost of a College education with room & board in today's economy. How do you justify paying only football athletes? Because their Sports return the most revenue? If you want college athletics treated like a business and athletes like employees, then the "bottom line" must show a profit.

I'm certainly enjoying the "free ride" mine is experiencing after having paid for the education of his three sisters.

I'm still of the belief that any postseason game should potentially lead to a championship.

The only bowl game worth even watching is the national championship game. And even deciding who plays for the national championship is subjective. All the other bowl games are nothing more than exhibition games.

TPM...I agree with your second paragraph. I'm sitting here watching the Wisconsin/TCU game from my lazy chair. I enjoy the baseball CWS, but nothing compares to college football bowl games. With that said, I'm with zombywoof, they're student/athletes and in most cases receiving full scholarships (Football). The kids are already getting paid with a Free education.

The NCAA as an organization won't make a dime off the bowl games. The schools and conferences will.

If you pay football players, do you pay all on the FB roster? Some schools are pretty cash strapped already. If you start paying FB players I would bet that most non revenue sports get cut.

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Originally posted by il2008:
The NCAA as an organization won't make a dime off the bowl games. The schools and conferences will.

If you pay football players, do you pay all on the FB roster? Some schools are pretty cash strapped already. If you start paying FB players I would bet that most non revenue sports get cut.

The NCAA will make lots and lots of money from the TV rights alone. Even after they pay out the prize money, travel, hotels and expenses they will make a ton.

The schools each get money for participaton, the bigger the bowl the bigger the prize (winner and loser). The money helps to enhance facilities, that enhances recruiting. The more bowls the more money given to programs.

I never suggested that the schools give $$ to the students, it should come from the rich NCAA. This would help in the decrepency of money given to students, especailly when they travel, helping the programs that are not as rich as others.

I love college baseball and I love the CWS, I never said I liked college football better, it's just fun to watch.

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Originally posted by TPM:
I love college baseball and I love the CWS, I never said I liked college football better, it's just fun to watch.

Unless you're a Gamecock fan

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Originally posted by WinBuc44:

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Originally posted by TPM:
I love college baseball and I love the CWS, I never said I liked college football better, it's just fun to watch.

Unless you're a Gamecock fan

Or Tiger fan.

My favorite event I've ever attended was the CWS. But I am biased since my son was playing in it.

College football is my favorite in general though and someone is certainly making an awful lot of $$ off of it.

My father was a college professor and he often said the schools should just pay the players too.

Mississippi state has to be pretty happy, they won their bowl game and they saved $180,000 this year.

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Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
Mississippi state has to be pretty happy, they won their bowl game and they saved $180,000 this year.

Okay, I know it's still only January 1st but that was the funniest post of the year!

It would be highly unlikely that you could pay anyone $180,000 to attend Miss State.

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The NCAA will make lots and lots of money from the TV rights alone. Even after they pay out the prize money, travel, hotels and expenses they will make a ton.

The schools each get money for participaton, the bigger the bowl the bigger the prize (winner and loser). The money helps to enhance facilities, that enhances recruiting. The more bowls the more money given to programs.

I never suggested that the schools give $$ to the students, it should come from the rich NCAA. This would help in the decrepency of money given to students, especailly when they travel, helping the programs that are not as rich as others.

The NCAA does not make any money from bowl games or TV rights to those games. The main source of NCAA income is the basketball tournament, $10.8 billion over the next 14 years. The second highest rights fee is the CWS. Expenses for bowls are covered covered by the schools. For example the Big Ten will divide $34.4 million and, after all expenses are taken out, each of the 11 schools will receive about $2 million. It will cost the conference about $10.95 million for the seven Big Ten teams to travel to their bowl destinations. In fact some schools might lose money, see Connecticut. Last year at least 18 schools lost money playing in bowl games.

What a classy bunch TCU is! Go Frogs! Andy Dalton is really something...on and off the field.

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Originally posted by il2008:

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The NCAA will make lots and lots of money from the TV rights alone. Even after they pay out the prize money, travel, hotels and expenses they will make a ton.

The schools each get money for participaton, the bigger the bowl the bigger the prize (winner and loser). The money helps to enhance facilities, that enhances recruiting. The more bowls the more money given to programs.

I never suggested that the schools give $$ to the students, it should come from the rich NCAA. This would help in the decrepency of money given to students, especailly when they travel, helping the programs that are not as rich as others.

The NCAA does not make any money from bowl games or TV rights to those games. The main source of NCAA income is the basketball tournament, $10.8 billion over the next 14 years. The second highest rights fee is the CWS. Expenses for bowls are covered covered by the schools. For example the Big Ten will divide $34.4 million and, after all expenses are taken out, each of the 11 schools will receive about $2 million. It will cost the conference about $10.95 million for the seven Big Ten teams to travel to their bowl destinations. In fact some schools might lose money, see Connecticut. Last year at least 18 schools lost money playing in bowl games.

I guess this is what you are talking about?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/...s-exceed-payout.html

I will go farther out on the limb of controversy. I don't think colleges should award athletic scholarships at all. I think athletic teams should be chosen from the student body already enrolled and not from a combine, showcase or an obscure field in Iowa.

Fungo

TPM:

What he means is that the NCAA is not the rights holder to Division I college football (bowl games or regular season). The television rights holders in Division I college football are the various conferences. In regard to the Bowl Championship Series (BCS), the rights holders are the six BCS conferences -- the ACC, the Pac 10, the Big 10, the Big East, the Big 12 and the SEC. The NCAA does not get any money that derives from these television negotiations.

The NCAA is the rights holder for the Division II and Division III football tournaments and the NCAA basketball and baseball tournaments (all divisions).

Thus, the NCAA gets no television money from Division I football, and not just the bowl games, as the regular season money goes directly to the conferences (BCS and non-BCS) in its entirety.

Not all school turn a profit from attending a bowl game, especially the lesser games with smaller payouts and smaller television deals.

I love college football and every one of the bowl games (I am watching the Fiesta Bowl right now), and I have been to every Virginia Tech bowl game since 1992. That said, I have never seen another event that can match the College World Series (at least for me), and that includes the NCAA basketball tournament (especially the Final Four, with has way too much down time).

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The NCAA is the rights holder for the Division II and Division III football tournaments and the NCAA basketball and baseball tournaments (all divisions).

Thus, the NCAA gets no television money from Division I football, and not just the bowl games, as the regular season money goes directly to the conferences (BCS and non-BCS) in its entirety.

Actually this isn't completely true. The NCAA does have the rights to DI Football championships. The Football Championship Series (DI-AA) which this year will consist of Eastern Washington and Delaware playing on January 7th in Frisco, TX.

Just got back from a bowl-watching party to see my alma mater, TCU, defeat Wisconsin. Way to go, Frogs!!

The NHL Winter Classic is a terrific alternative to football today also!

Even though I played college baseball I don't think it comes anywhere near the overall excitment of big time college football and basketball. One thing wrong with college football is there are too many bowl games. Most of the time all it talks to make a bowl is a 6-6 record. A good thing about college football compared to pro football is the lack of theatrics when a play is made.

I always watch the Rose Bowl. It was a good game. Other than a big matchup, like the championship I'm more likely to watch the second half of games that are close in score. I used to like to go to Holiday Bowl games. For years they had some wild games.

Does anyone not count the $60 each kid has to pay the clearing house? That's a pretty good income right there.

No kidding. And that starts like junior year of HS, for every kid in every sport who even thinks they smell a chance for college athletics.

I love college baseball. Older son is heading into his senior season as a walkon, younger one committed to play when he graduates high school. I was a scholarship football player in college. If by a "free" education you mean not having to come up with the cash, then ok. If "free" means without cost, then you couldn't be further off base. The regular guys on a college football scholarship earn their tuition, room, board, and books. I still have trouble with both shoulders and an ankle 30 years later, and I got out relatively healthy. I remember going back to the dorm every day and laying down until the headache subsided to do homework. No doubt the Newtons, Pryors, and the like live differently, but for the average grunt on a college football scholarship it ain't "free".

"SNAP" Was that your limb Fungo.

College Football 10-12 games, 76 scholarships, 76 rostered players, 1 game a week.
College Basketball 30 games, 13 scholarships, 13 rostered players, 2 games a week.
College Baseball 56 games, 11.75 scholarships, 35 rostered players, 4 games a week.

Who came up with that formula?

dswann - I wish scholarships were proportionate to the number of games played. But, it is all about the money. Football brings it in, therefore they should get their scholarships covered. It isn't fair, but who said life is fair. If you look at Stanford (as an example)they had $21.3M in football revenue which is roughly 66% of the total $31.2M for the entire athletic dept. Football is bringing home the bacon, and sharing it with other sports.

Seems fairly obvious... SEC is the best conference again this year. It has been that way for awhile now.

BIG 10 Stinks! Ohio State needs to beat Arkansas for the Big 10 to go 3-6 in bowl games this year which has been the norm lately.

Maybe it's about time for Boise or TCU to play against a SEC team in a bowl so we can see if they are truly national championship contenders.

Quick quiz...

Since 2001 there is a Big 10 team that is 6-3 in Bowl Games including the last three. 5 of those games were against teams that won the National Championship either the year before or year after. They are 3-1 against the SEC including a BCS win. Also split two games with Florida and beat LSU.

This year they easily beat Michigan State, Michigan and Penn State. Lost to Wiscosin by one point and Ohio State by three points leading in the 4th quarter of both games. Then they go and get beat by Minnesota somehow. They lost 5 games, blowing the lead in the 4th quarter of all of them. Caused me to use some enemy avatars for awhile. In other words they stunk too, but actually beat a 10-2 Big 12 team in the bowl game!

Nebraska and Iowa is going to become quite a rivalry.

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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:
dswann - I wish scholarships were proportionate to the number of games played. But, it is all about the money. Football brings it in, therefore they should get their scholarships covered. It isn't fair, but who said life is fair. If you look at Stanford (as an example)they had $21.3M in football revenue which is roughly 66% of the total $31.2M for the entire athletic dept. Football is bringing home the bacon, and sharing it with other sports.

Not looking to start an arqument. But by your Stanford example, schools like Fullerton and USD who do not have a football program are still commiting 11.75 to baseball.... Where does that money come from.

PG your right THE Big 10 does STINK. Maybe Uconn should jump to the Big 10.

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PG your right THE Big 10 does STINK

dswann,
Thanks for confirming that!

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"Doggone it PG...why do you keep talking about last season?"



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I believe my Hawkeyes WON their bowl game this year.

Who's going to make Herky their avatar now????

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Not looking to start an arqument. But by your Stanford example, schools like Fullerton and USD who do not have a football program are still commiting 11.75 to baseball.... Where does that money come from.

dswann,

No arguement here. We're having a discussion, and providing data points. I picked Stanford randomly. Their total revenue is $31.2M. UCSD total revenue is $2.5M, so they are not even close to being in the same league overall. At least in UCSD's case, they are not providing 76 football scholarships. 20% of UCSD revenue is coming from basketball and the other 80% is undetermined, so they may be a bad example. My alma mater was a small D2 college in New England. Recently, we added football and went D1-AA a few years ago. Football is bringing in $1.8M against a total revenue $5.1M or roughly 34% in just 2 years. Football opex was $291K + Salaries of $150K....that is a good business to be in. Queue up the cash register sound. Football brings in the bacon. Many people pay lots of money every week to see a college football game.

Here is the tool, you can chose a school to see the numbers for yourself. Someone posted this tool a couple years ago, and it is fantastic. I wish I could remember who, so I could give them the proper credit. When dealing with revenue, football and basketball are broken out seperately from other sports. Because typically, other sports are not revenue generating. I certainly wish college baseball produced more revenue overall.

http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/Index.aspx

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TPM:
That said, I have never seen another event that can match the College World Series (at least for me), and that includes the NCAA basketball tournament (especially the Final Four, with has way too much down time).

Have you ever watched the NAIA basketball championship? IMO its the best post season tournament of any sport at any level. I wish the NCAA tourney followed its guidelines.

I love the bowl games. I watch all of them that I can. Same with the basketball tournament and the CWS.

I am not for paying the players but I am for lifting the hundreds of idiotic restrictions put in place by the NCAA. I don't mean every restriction but the over the top micro managing of their lives is stupid.

I believe I read somewhere that Ohio State spent more money than they brought in at last years Bowl game. I keep hearing so many people say that football brings in the money, but I don't see how when you take into account the amount of games they play, the cost of the stadium, salary of stadium workers, trainers, all the coaches and the expensive uniforms and gear. It just doesn't add up to me... I think the football people are feeding us a bunch of baloney and we think they're doing us a favor.