Scenario: USSSA 11U, bases loaded 0 out - fly ball shallow RF, U3 (apparently) calls Infield Fly but NOBODY hears or sees him. RF drops the ball, 3rd Base Coach thinks he has to send runner, RF throws to C, doesn't tag him in time. Defensive Coach says it was a force play. PU changes his call to runner out at the plate on a force. U3 steps in and finally tells everyone he called Infield Fly so runner is safe because he wasn't tagged out. What are the responsibilities of all Umpires in this case? BTW, there were 3 Umpires on the field(1 on 3B, another 1 on right side somewhere? and 1 behind the plate) and the U3 is the ONLY one that supposedly called Infield Fly that the 3B didn't hear, nor (obviously) did the 3B Coach. Please help.
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Scenario: USSSA 11U, bases loaded 0 out - fly ball shallow RF, U3 (apparently) calls Infield Fly but NOBODY hears or sees him. RF drops the ball, 3rd Base Coach thinks he has to send runner, RF throws to C, doesn't tag him in time. Defensive Coach says it was a force play. PU changes his call to runner out at the plate on a force. U3 steps in and finally tells everyone he called Infield Fly so runner is safe because he wasn't tagged out. What are the responsibilities of all Umpires in this case? BTW, there were 3 Umpires on the field(1 on 3B, another 1 on right side somewhere? and 1 behind the plate) and the U3 is the ONLY one that supposedly called Infield Fly that the 3B didn't hear, nor (obviously) did the 3B Coach. Please help.
Responsibilities after or during the play?
Both - in my opinion, it was a mess both during and after the play...
As soon as the PU changes his call then U3 has to call time and get the crew together.
Please correct me if I have this wrong...it is my understanding that infield fly need not be verbalized. When the ball hit in the air, the field ump determines if the IF Fly is on and will point up if it is. At this time the plate umpire has the catch / no catch call, he should - but is not required to - verbalize the IF Fly. So although there was no verbalization and it appears that the field ump did not signal it, the IF Fly was on. I have batter out, runner safe at the plate.
Given the details, that's the correct call.
Once IFF is called (even if some didn't hear it) - that's the call. You can't undo it.
As for responsibility - The U at 3rd probably has the best angle on balls hit in the air to the right side. It's easier to judge depth from the side (his angle) than a ball hit directly at you or directly away from you (angle other umpires had).
Thanks for your replies - but just to be clear, the only thing U3 has to do is put his hands up...so from now on in this situation, as a Coach, I should be looking for this?
Again, thanks for your help.
All umpires have concurrent responsibility on an IFF. If they are signalling they should be announcing too. If all the umpires announce it, that's fine.
Please correct me if I have this wrong...it is my understanding that infield fly need not be verbalized. When the ball hit in the air, the field ump determines if the IF Fly is on and will point up if it is. At this time the plate umpire has the catch / no catch call, he should - but is not required to - verbalize the IF Fly. So although there was no verbalization and it appears that the field ump did not signal it, the IF Fly was on. I have batter out, runner safe at the plate.
While it's not required to be verbalized it should be and all umpires should do so if one does.
And theres almost no way this was U3s call if the ball was hit to the right side.
and to the OP -- if the bases were loaded, then U3 should have been in the C position (kind of between the pitcher and the shortstop) and U1 should have been in A -- behind first base just in foul territory. (I'm assuming that leadoffs were allowed here).
The PU did NOT signal, and had no idea the U3 DID signal, until after their 2nd meeting. The PU's original original call was safe at home because no tag was applied by C. When the coach told him it should have been a force, the PU had meeting 1 and changed his call...then they had meeting 2 and he said U3 had called IF and the play at home was a tag play, so the runner was safe again. To reiterate, not a single player or coach on the field was aware of the IF call, made obvious by the fact the the 3B coach sent his runner from 3B to H after the ball was dropped, in panic.
My real question here is, is it the coaches responsibility to be watching umpires that are behind the play, for a signal? Shouldn't PU have caught this and taken control? Kind of weird for us as a team because we normally only have one ump.
Thanks for your further clarification on this in advance.
My real question here is, is it the coaches responsibility to be watching umpires that are behind the play, for a signal? Shouldn't PU have caught this and taken control? Kind of weird for us as a team because we normally only have one ump.
Thanks for your further clarification on this in advance.
Yes to both questions.