Innings pitched in High School Season

My top two guys will probably see between 55-70 IP plus playoffs.  Considerable drop for the next few.

Last season son was a Sr.  They had 24 games including post season.  He pitched a total of 78.1 innings.  Most were low pitch count / "non-stressful", but was still shutdown this past summer by college coach.  Average of Sr. aces in our area last year was ~55 innings.  If you just look at strictly innings, I think 78 was too many, but we were very aware of the low pitch count / "non-stressful" innings as well as how much additional throwing he was doing.  When not on the mound he would typically dh or play 1st.

2016 has pitched on V since freshman year.In that time team has never played past a regional win.In all 3 yrs. he threw between 60 + 65 innings.Just guessing this yr. will be about the same.

What is good number for P to be mindful of when pitching HS then Summer team? If they P 70 innings in HS what would good number be for Summer play? 

Several of the Canes folks had retweeted the following article today.  See towards the bottom of the article for their thoughts.

If he's a starter, he should be pitching once per week.  And follow the pitch count rules for each outing.  What else would you need to know?

For 2016 the 60-65 innings have worked out to 9 - 10 decisions per HS year.

Thanks for article. Basically the P coach of Canes said he asked P how many innings he pitched in HS and did not want players going over 100-HS-Fall combined. If they pitched too many he would shut them down in Summer, and they would pitch in Fall again after rest period.

unfortunately some Summer team coaches don't ask about HS innings pitched and can use a good P a lot and once Fall is over kid has pitched 130-150 innings total  with no breaks. 

Got my answer of 100 from Spring-Fall as good number. 

2018 will not go over 40 innings for HS season... and 80 pitches per outing.... then 30-40 in summer 20 in fall....

As much as I've ranted on Pc and overuse over the years I surely don't want others to get wrong idea on above posts.My 2016 has never played fall high school BB..So starting @ first week of aug. Until one week after last FB game no BB.

Son threw 33.2 innings as a junior on Varsity. 61 innings as senior. So far has thrown 15 innings as freshman at a DI mid major college.

Here in the Northeast the numbers are probably a bit lower. As a starter, during his junior year he pitched 37 innings and as a senior 47 (went further in the post season). Definitely kept him under 85 innings his junior year including summer and fall and less than 80 after his senior season (he just closed that summer and college freshman fall, and mostly hit).

birdman14 posted:

Here in the Northeast the numbers are probably a bit lower. As a starter, during his junior year he pitched 37 innings and as a senior 47 (went further in the post season). Definitely kept him under 85 innings his junior year including summer and fall and less than 80 after his senior season (he just closed that summer and college freshman fall, and mostly hit).

Personally I couldn’t care less about the number of innings since an inning can be anything from 0 to an infinite number of pitches. Can you go back and see how many pitches he threw and how much rest he had? That will tell me a lot more.

Stats4Gnats posted:

birdman14 posted:

Here in the Northeast the numbers are probably a bit lower. As a starter, during his junior year he pitched 37 innings and as a senior 47 (went further in the post season). Definitely kept him under 85 innings his junior year including summer and fall and less than 80 after his senior season (he just closed that summer and college freshman fall, and mostly hit).

 

Personally I couldn’t care less about the number of innings since an inning can be anything from 0 to an infinite number of pitches. Can you go back and see how many pitches he threw and how much rest he had? That will tell me a lot more.

Not gonna argue that the obvious stat for arm care on a daily basis is pitch count, but over the course of three, seasons, of baseball (spring,summer, fall) it's probably easiest, and therefore safest for the kid to remember/keep track of innings pitched vs pitches.  Such an important stat to keep track of, that what's paramount is that some attempt is made to keep record. 

I know for this dad, I'd rather be adding numbers in my head like: "4, 6, 3, 7, 5,......" than "67, 74, 88, 27, 71,......." as I drive home from the ballpark and begin thinking of next game.  I'll probably just stop keeping track?  With all due respect, Stats4Gnats let's be honest, we can apply a simple a average number of pitches per inning over the course of a year can't we?  Say 18?  Heck, you could even be safer and go with 20 pitches per inning if you really want to play it safe? 

But for someone who goes by the name of "Stats4gnats" this may be unacceptable?  A missed opportunity to use objective data?  Classroom next to mine, colleague teaches AP Stats.  I'm guessing this would be unacceptable for him also?  I understand.

#1 Assistant Coach posted:

Not gonna argue that the obvious stat for arm care on a daily basis is pitch count, but over the course of three, seasons, of baseball (spring,summer, fall) it's probably easiest, and therefore safest for the kid to remember/keep track of innings pitched vs pitches.  Such an important stat to keep track of, that what's paramount is that some attempt is made to keep record. 

With the current state of technology, to me it doesn’t seem like such an insurmountable task to keep track of the number of pitches per outing and the date of that outing.

I know for this dad, I'd rather be adding numbers in my head like: "4, 6, 3, 7, 5,......" than "67, 74, 88, 27, 71,......." as I drive home from the ballpark and begin thinking of next game.  I'll probably just stop keeping track?  With all due respect, Stats4Gnats let's be honest, we can apply a simple a average number of pitches per inning over the course of a year can't we?  Say 18?  Heck, you could even be safer and go with 20 pitches per inning if you really want to play it safe? 

Even if the only way to track such information was a pencil and paper, is it asking too much to have a notebook in the glovebox of the car?

If you want to use IPs, be my guest. But if that were a worthy way to do it, why is the trend moving to PCs and the standards from the “experts”(ASMI, PitchSmart,etc.) in # of pitches?

But for someone who goes by the name of "Stats4gnats" this may be unacceptable?  A missed opportunity to use objective data?  Classroom next to mine, colleague teaches AP Stats.  I'm guessing this would be unacceptable for him also?  I understand.

The neat thing about objective data is that there is a lot of other information that can be gleaned from it, and the more data points that can be associated with it, the more information can be gleaned.

What you seem to be missing is, as the team statistician my main concern isn’t about the health of the pitchers. I’m there to record the game and provide as many ways as possible to look at what took place during the game, and I try my best to do that. A beneficial side to that is a much more in depth look at pitchers than most casual observers, coaches, players, and parents can or want to do.

If you look at the pitall1.pdf attachment you’ll see a small example of other ways to look at pitching data that may aid the coaches in making decisions, and if you look at the papstress.pdf attachment you’ll see a couple of ways to look at pitching relative to a pitcher’s health. I provide those things to everyone and if you’re team’s statistician provided the same things there’d be no need to add numbers in your head, so sometimes I can’t relate to people like you who want argue how difficult it is to keep track of pitch counts.

It isn’t very difficult to do these things, but I do understand why most teams and coaches don’t do it.

Stats4Gnats posted:

birdman14 posted:

Here in the Northeast the numbers are probably a bit lower. As a starter, during his junior year he pitched 37 innings and as a senior 47 (went further in the post season). Definitely kept him under 85 innings his junior year including summer and fall and less than 80 after his senior season (he just closed that summer and college freshman fall, and mostly hit).

 

Personally I couldn’t care less about the number of innings since an inning can be anything from 0 to an infinite number of pitches. Can you go back and see how many pitches he threw and how much rest he had? That will tell me a lot more.

Stats, I did look back and he typically pitched with one week's rest between starts except for the last start as a junior when he went on 3 days rest during the state tournament (coming off a 67 pitch performance the previous start). He exceeded 100 pitches one time each year. Quite frankly the coach was really cautious with him, which I as a parent really appreciated (he also was a two-way player). In fact, as a senior, the coach held him out of the semi-finals of the local county tournament (a game they lost) because the finals were played the next day. He had 6 days rest, but the coach went with the pitcher who's "turn" it was and "saved" him for the finals...The local paper hammered him on that decision.