Interesting -batted ball hitting runner after passing fielder

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Originally posted by CarlCountry:
Two situations 1st: runner on second and a ground ball is hit that ultimately hits the runner.

A) the batted ball passed the fielder(short stop) then hit a runner, is he still out?

B) And can you you still potentially get the runner out at first or any other runner if a subsequent throw beats the runner or is tagged out?

I believe runner is out, dead ball. The reason I say this is.

If a runner is hit by batted ball on a clean hit, he is out. Saw ti last year in HS ball, Runner on 2b, stealing third, hit ball in the hole hit the runner, NO CHANCE it wasn't going to be a base hit. Umpire called dead ball. runner out, etc. i would say this scenerio falls under same idea.

BTW, the pitcher in the Scenerio I said was my son, first inning he ever pitched on Varsity (as a freshman). This recorded first out. He went on to pitch complete game shut out. Nice way to get lucky and start a varsity career huh?

A) the batted ball passed the fielder(short stop) then hit a runner, is he still out?

NO

MLB Rule 7.09 (k)
If a fair ball goes through, or by, an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him, or touches the runner after having been deflected by a fielder, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. In making such decision the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the fielder, and that no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball.

Hey Carl - welcome to the site and you've asked two good questions.

As for the first question it depends on if anybody else on the IF had a chance at a play on the ball. We have an Ask the Ump forum on here and this situation was discussed just a few days ago. Here is a link to the thread which goes into pretty good detail about the rule / situation.

http://hsbaseballweb.com/eve/f...6003481/m/4337010916

On the second question I would say it depends on if everyone had a chance or not. For example - let's say you have the IF playing in for a play at the plate then the runners on base are behind all the IF. So let's say runners on second and third and ball is hit to the SS side. If the ball hits the runner it's a live ball so if it bounces back towards the IF they can pick the ball up and throw to first for the force out or try to get the runner it hit.

Now if the IF is at normal depth then the runner is getting hit before all IF have their chance to make a play. Dead ball, runner is out and hitter gets first.

If you post this in the Ask an Ump forum you will get a much better answer than the one I gave you.

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Originally posted by shortnquick:
A) the batted ball passed the fielder(short stop) then hit a runner, is he still out?

NO

MLB Rule 7.09 (k)
If a fair ball goes through, or by, an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him, or touches the runner after having been deflected by a fielder, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. In making such decision the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the fielder, and that no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball.

Did the situation occur in a MLB game?

Not sure but I've seen it called this way from 9 year olds and up through MLB. I don't think this is a rule that changes with age or league.Seems like an odd rule to adjust for age.....But I have been wrong before.

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by shortnquick:
A) the batted ball passed the fielder(short stop) then hit a runner, is he still out?

NO

MLB Rule 7.09 (k)
If a fair ball goes through, or by, an infielder, and touches a runner immediately back of him, or touches the runner after having been deflected by a fielder, the umpire shall not declare the runner out for being touched by a batted ball. In making such decision the umpire must be convinced that the ball passed through, or by, the fielder, and that no other infielder had the chance to make a play on the ball.

Did the situation occur in a MLB game?

Dont know - Carl never specified.