For those who have HS pitchers getting in lots of innings and playing time while in HS.
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Call to Arms: Cost of Winning Can Be Devastating
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TPM-give us the highlights or lowlights since I can't seem to get the whole article.
Another great performance by that Tiger, congrats.
Another great performance by that Tiger, congrats.
Wrap up
Significant amount of college pitchers coming on and off the injured lists. Schools include UF, Miami,South Carolina, NC State, Kentucky, Auburn, East Carolina, Boston college, Clemson, Arkansas, Baylor, Mississippi State and a few others.
While I do not beleive the article was blaming injuries on the schools (we know it is accumulative) I know some of these pitchers threw a lot in HS.
They state prevention is the only way to avoid injuries. Building arm strength, strict pitch counts and days off.
Since the article focused much on UF it notes that The Florida HS Association limits 14 innings a week, many FL pitchers are often overused and arrive to school hurt.
Also, the importance of pitchers watching how much they pitch in summer programs, giving ex of one player who committed to FL threw 127 pitches over the summer in a showcase game.
The rest was about throwing too much too early in LL and using the CB too early.
Interesting, because college baseball does not have the resources that college football has, coaches are unable to really check out every player before they arrive (I guess they do this for football).
Significant amount of college pitchers coming on and off the injured lists. Schools include UF, Miami,South Carolina, NC State, Kentucky, Auburn, East Carolina, Boston college, Clemson, Arkansas, Baylor, Mississippi State and a few others.
While I do not beleive the article was blaming injuries on the schools (we know it is accumulative) I know some of these pitchers threw a lot in HS.
They state prevention is the only way to avoid injuries. Building arm strength, strict pitch counts and days off.
Since the article focused much on UF it notes that The Florida HS Association limits 14 innings a week, many FL pitchers are often overused and arrive to school hurt.
Also, the importance of pitchers watching how much they pitch in summer programs, giving ex of one player who committed to FL threw 127 pitches over the summer in a showcase game.
The rest was about throwing too much too early in LL and using the CB too early.
Interesting, because college baseball does not have the resources that college football has, coaches are unable to really check out every player before they arrive (I guess they do this for football).
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
The Florida HS Association limits 14 innings a week, many FL pitchers are often overused and arrive to school hurt.
14 innings a week is lot, especially for a state like Florida where the season is longer. It's more than most major leaguers will throw.
Also, what matters are pitches thrown rather than innings. 14 innings for a 10-pitch-per-inning guy is one thing, but if you're talking about a 25 pitch-per-inning-guy...
I am currently high on a 20 YO converted OFer. Aside from having beautiful mechanics, I love the fact that his arm is still in good shape.
quote:tpm quote:
Interesting, because college baseball does not have the resources that college football has, coaches are unable to really check out every player before they arrive (I guess they do this for football).
Check what? What resources?
College baseball recruiters probably have more valid information on a player than in football where they carry 7x the number of scholarships.
for injuries? money?
Mentions with football getting 85 schollies the resources are there to have every player checked out while baseball teams with only 11.7 are not able to.
Mentions with football getting 85 schollies the resources are there to have every player checked out while baseball teams with only 11.7 are not able to.
Baseball is played in the summer so there may be some injuries when school starts. Football is not played in the summer so except for freak accidents there should be no surprise injuries.
I still don't see what resources you speak of. I have many friends who are parents and have gone through the football recruiting process and their kids have not been followed because as they said. "we are one of a large group". In baseball with only a small # of recruits coming in every year it seem like a very managable size where it would be easier to follow up through the summer.
I still don't see what resources you speak of. I have many friends who are parents and have gone through the football recruiting process and their kids have not been followed because as they said. "we are one of a large group". In baseball with only a small # of recruits coming in every year it seem like a very managable size where it would be easier to follow up through the summer.
rz,
Read my fingers. I was repeating what the article said, I didn't make it up.
Log in and read for yourself.
Read my fingers. I was repeating what the article said, I didn't make it up.
Log in and read for yourself.
Sorry to get your BP up TPM. I never said that you made it up. From your post it sounded like you had some knowledge and/or an opinion on the subject, this is an interactive message board. I don't need to be scolded.
RZ - I like your posts but chill out a bit. The point is if you have a billion dollar budget and I have a thousand dollar budget who has the opportunity to mess up on a pick. 11.7 schollys for baseball is just flat out crazy - 80 for football, some of these guys may never see the field EVER. Nuts IMHO
In the bigger picture, what can we all do to change NCAA policy. Political Action group if you will. Any ideas???
In the bigger picture, what can we all do to change NCAA policy. Political Action group if you will. Any ideas???
RZ - sorry, just read your new post
In North Carolina pitchers are limited to 12 innings per week. Luckily, my son has a coach who is very wary of arm care. TPM, does DK have a day per week that he is absolutely shut down from throwing?
i'm still not sure if this happens more today,( i know we read more and more about kids having arm problems.)than it did 30 years ago. today kids don't go out everyday and play pickup ball like we did. maybe that made our arm's stronger? we threw everyday even if it wasn't baseball we threw rocks at can's ,skipping stones on the river.
when i was a kid a million years ago i can't think of more than a couple of kids from our town that played in college. looking back i know they didn't worry about pitch counts,more along the lines of is the pitcher getting out's still.
i guess what i am saying is not many from our area kept playing after high school. kids are exposed more today and colleges look more than they did back then.maybe they stopped playing for what ever reason.needing to work,no money for college, the draft .but what if more played two or so more years would they have arm problems?
looking back i know my son threw to much,he didn't throw a curve untill he was 13 or 14. but i also didn't think he'd go as far as he did playing baseball.and i'm sure the coaches that over use a kid aren't thinking about the kid's college chances. i'm sure they don't do it on purpose. kid's today don't strengthen their arms like they should ,which brings me back to pickup baseball? i don't dare reread this,does any of this make sense?
when i was a kid a million years ago i can't think of more than a couple of kids from our town that played in college. looking back i know they didn't worry about pitch counts,more along the lines of is the pitcher getting out's still.
i guess what i am saying is not many from our area kept playing after high school. kids are exposed more today and colleges look more than they did back then.maybe they stopped playing for what ever reason.needing to work,no money for college, the draft .but what if more played two or so more years would they have arm problems?
looking back i know my son threw to much,he didn't throw a curve untill he was 13 or 14. but i also didn't think he'd go as far as he did playing baseball.and i'm sure the coaches that over use a kid aren't thinking about the kid's college chances. i'm sure they don't do it on purpose. kid's today don't strengthen their arms like they should ,which brings me back to pickup baseball? i don't dare reread this,does any of this make sense?
20dad
I have said all along that kids do not play "catch" anymore
I also think that TJ surgery and the like has become big business and many times I feel kids are put under the knife unneccesarily
I have said all along that kids do not play "catch" anymore
I also think that TJ surgery and the like has become big business and many times I feel kids are put under the knife unneccesarily
quote:Originally posted by SoutherNo1:
In North Carolina pitchers are limited to 12 innings per week. Luckily, my son has a coach who is very wary of arm care. TPM, does DK have a day per week that he is absolutely shut down from throwing?
I do beleive (not sure) he does not throw the day after he pitches, but his coach is of the philosophy during season you toss everyday, periods of shutdown (he was most of the fall).
rz,
I was stating no opinion, only what was in the article. Yes, this is an interactice message board, and I was trying to pass on information I read in an article.
I have found that on an interactive message board if don't care for someone, best thing is just to stay away from their posts, instead of trying to aggravate the situation.
Thank you.
quote:tpm quote:
I have found that on an interactive message board if don't care for someone, best thing is just to stay away from their posts, instead of trying to aggravate the situation.
TPM,
you seem to think that if someone questions your post they don't like you, au contrair, take it as a form of respect. I would go there with anyone who posted that, and would expect the same from others towards me if I did. Every poster on this board gets called to the carpet now and then so if you're going to "talk the talk" you should expect to "walk the walk". Message boards are like a bunch of people sitting around a table having some beers and shooting the shet, all interactive, all informative, and all subjective, with no one being exempt from rebuttle. If I have something to say to you in the future, I will do so, and it's nothing personal. I'm sure I'm the bad guy in many posters eyes but this board has always been about open communication and obtaining information/opinions from different angles, without blinders, without rose colored glasses, and with no one being above another.
I'm done.