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WOW!
Every kid who aspires to play in college should read this article. It'll be interesting to follow this, and see how scholarship commitments might be affected in the future.
Every kid who aspires to play in college should read this article. It'll be interesting to follow this, and see how scholarship commitments might be affected in the future.
Interesting story and one that does have potentially huge impacts... Especially in baseball where these commitments are happening at such an early age...
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The author seemed quite loose with some of his terminology, like "Every year, thousands of athletes find themselves scrambling for scholarships after coaching changes or after coaches simply rescind non-binding scholarship offers because they found more talented players."
Casually throwing around huge stats like that is usually a sign of ignorance and lack of research.
I doubt the suit makes it to court, so no precedent will be made.
Casually throwing around huge stats like that is usually a sign of ignorance and lack of research.
I doubt the suit makes it to court, so no precedent will be made.
If it isn't in writing it doesn't exist. This has been going on for years. I would love to know the percentages of kept verbal commitments.
quote:I doubt the suit makes it to court, so no precedent will be made.
The practice of reneging on verbals will continue unless a succesful action is acheived.
What does the writers ignorance have to do with anything?
What does the writers ignorance have to do with anything ?
That kid got screwed. When coaches leave, all sorts of things happen. But, shouldn't the parents have made sure he signed a NLI instead of waiting to the day before they were due to contact an attorney? And they also should understand that the coaching fraternity is a small one, and no matter what they "say" this kid will have problems getting another scholarship because of this lawsuit.
Not true. The issue is proving the offer exists. Key evidence may be tracing back to the origins of the verbal commitment that appeared on rivals.com and in two Honolulu newspapers.quote:Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
If it isn't in writing it doesn't exist.
Also, at times a coach will refer to a verbal offer in emails to a player, which can serve as additional proof.
quote:Originally posted by brod:
That kid got screwed. When coaches leave, all sorts of things happen. But, shouldn't the parents have made sure he signed a NLI instead of waiting to the day before they were due to contact an attorney? Not sure I understand what you mean. The kid can't sign an NLI until signing day, the commitment was verbal.And they also should understand that the coaching fraternity is a small one, and no matter what they "say" this kid will have problems getting another scholarship because of this lawsuit.
I don't know if that's true. I think most upstanding coaches would understand the families actions based on the situation. I don't think most people would categorize the family as "suit happy" or troublemakers for standing up for what's right.
I do not know the facts other than this article, but I can tell you that my son attended the same HS. Don't believe everything you hear from this family.
Keep in mind it matters not one iota what any website or newspaper says---a coach cannot comment on a recruit until the NLI is signed----what you are reading on a website is in NO WAY official and in many times it is just rumor
I agree with the above, there is more to this story than we know.
Who spends 4000K on an unofficial visit and verbals without speaking or meeting the head coach of any program? Especially in a football program.
That player was entitled to his official visit after his verbal commitment. Why wasn't he offered one to begin with? The email means nothing, IMO, just an invite to come visit on your own dime and time.
The lawyer should spend time finding out if this was a common practice, that would be the only leg to stand on.
JMO.
It sounds to me that these folks and player were not too educated as to the process.
Who spends 4000K on an unofficial visit and verbals without speaking or meeting the head coach of any program? Especially in a football program.
That player was entitled to his official visit after his verbal commitment. Why wasn't he offered one to begin with? The email means nothing, IMO, just an invite to come visit on your own dime and time.
The lawyer should spend time finding out if this was a common practice, that would be the only leg to stand on.
JMO.
It sounds to me that these folks and player were not too educated as to the process.
quote:I agree with the above, there is more to this story than we know.
TPM,
Is it that hard to say "I agree with TRhit".
quote:Originally posted by TPM:
It sounds to me that these folks and player were not too educated as to the process.
The best reason for the existence of HSBBW. Thank you to all our contributers.
Sometimes parents and players hear what they want to hear not what was said !!!
quote:Not true. The issue is proving the offer exists. Key evidence may be tracing back to the origins of the verbal commitment that appeared on rivals.com and in two Honolulu newspapers.
TR is correct. Judjes look for a meeting of minds when deciding if a contract exists. To me baswed on what I have read rgere is no meeting of minds. Too many details not specified or provable. There are mant fields such as real estate where written agreements are mandatory. I believ that the burden of proof is not met by articles which do not specify terms. That is what NLIs are for. It will cost more to go to trial than the scholarship was worth. Breaking verbals is a common practice that exists in the college sports just like str5inging them along.
There are good reasons why this has not gone to court before.
Bobblehead,
Not to be mean or anything but, did you type that last reply after you left the bar, with one eye closed or with the help of your pet? I had trouble understanding some of the words.
Not to be mean or anything but, did you type that last reply after you left the bar, with one eye closed or with the help of your pet? I had trouble understanding some of the words.
quote:Breaking verbals is a common practice that exists in the college sports just like stringing them along.
Sometimes it takes a 1x1 to emphasis a point that does not involve the entire (NCAA) system. Regardless of how this turns out it will be the litmus that future laws/rules are developed and modified.
A few years of law school and you might understand.
Judjes apply the meeting of minds test to establish a contract. believe it or not articles in the media don't mean much.
Case law si part of the law and most case law that I have read requires clear evidence of the meeting of minds. However anything can happen. Maybe the judge has a son who is looking at college sports.
Judjes apply the meeting of minds test to establish a contract. believe it or not articles in the media don't mean much.
Case law si part of the law and most case law that I have read requires clear evidence of the meeting of minds. However anything can happen. Maybe the judge has a son who is looking at college sports.
quote:BHD quote:
A few years of law school and you might understand.
Yea but the world is not ready to call rz1 "Your Honor" at this point in history
However, "My King", that does have a nice ring
As far as names are concerned, I have a hard time accepting the "Sir" or "Mr" label. My twin daughters have taken it so far that they call me Randy.
quote:BHD quote:
Maybe the judge has a son who is looking at college sports.
You mean common sense may be taken into consideration
Hey RZ1 I heard you will struggling with MR.