Welcome back Bee>. You've been missed (just a skosh).
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we have the christmas musicals, but we only had one carol in our school. must be a popular name in your area.
seriously they had a show on abc or cbs last year, i think it was called dumb america. it focused on public education in our schools.it was very eye opening for me.
the violence is another thing. that can't be tolerated in schools.
as the greatest country on earth, we can stand to freshen up a few things in education.
we have the christmas musicals, but we only had one carol in our school. must be a popular name in your area.
seriously they had a show on abc or cbs last year, i think it was called dumb america. it focused on public education in our schools.it was very eye opening for me.
the violence is another thing. that can't be tolerated in schools.
as the greatest country on earth, we can stand to freshen up a few things in education.
20sDad, there was a program years back called, "The Dumming Down of America." I give those questions, skills related testing etc. to my students on our second day of class. Then, I have an idea of what to do to help each student. Christmas? Did someone say there was a can of worms around here?
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That's right Coach...a Christmas can of worms...don't open 'til December 25th!
That's right Coach...a Christmas can of worms...don't open 'til December 25th!
quote:I think most of the schools in Illinois compensate the teachers well.
I can't say for sure what my dad makes, but I know it is not what people would think. Play Baseball, is the website you are referring to "thechampion.org" or something like that? I can't think of the exact website at the moment, but I've seen one that lists my dad as making nearly $70k a year. According to that website, he makes more than a couple of the administrators! He has 30 years teaching, coaches, etc. He has 4 or 6 years til retirement.
We are pretty close to CoachB25 and Triad (same conference) and our school is also near the top of the list when it comes to academics in the state of Illinois. Or at least it has been in the past several years..
From Fungo's original post.quote:I think it is more the "care" and "care not" parents with the "care not" parents destroying our schools. "Care not" parents raise "care not" kids. What's a parent to do?
Southpawdad and I made the decision to switch our kids from private school to public school. We have very good public schools in our area. Our son says that the most frustrating difference between the 2 schools are the kids that constantly disrupt the teachers and classrooms at the public school. These kids are given ISS (In School Suspension) but continue the same behavior when their sentence is over. If it gets bad enough, then the disrupters can be sent to the alternative school. However, if the kids come back to the normal school, they still continue the disruptive behavior.
Parents are notified that the kids are being given ISS and the reasons for the ISS. My son asked one of these kids what his parent's did when they found out about the ISS - and the kid responded, "Nothing". These are Fungo's "Care Not" parents and kids.
I don't understand this attitude at all. I was taught by my parents to respect my teachers - a lesson that started at home.
quote:These kids are given ISS (In School Suspension) but continue the same behavior when their sentence is over.
That's because at my high school, those in Alternative Room (essentially in school suspension) had more freedoms than the normal student!
My senior year they banned soda and food from the classrooms. We'd walk past the AR (which almost always had the door open) in the main hall way and you'd look in and see food, soda, kids playing games on the computer, etc.
It's like "wait a second." It appeared to be a pretty good party in there..
quote:Originally posted by play baseball:quote:Originally posted by spizzlepop:quote:$257,474
Looks like Mr. Baldermann can afford to sponsor some of these out-of-district students himself. Also, with $54,969 at the bottom end, it looks like yours is one of the few districts in the nation that affords its teachers a decent salary.
I think most of the schools in Illinois compensate the teachers well. A friend's husband teaches BAND in a very small district in southern Illinois and makes $86,000--again, it doesn't include benefits--including the teachers retirement.....Even the Catholic schools in Illinois pay well to attract good teachers....I thought all teachers (or most, anyway) were paid more along the lines of business and industry.....I'm surprised and sad to learn otherwise.
What school is that at? The only ones that would make that much are teachers who have a masters or doctorate and have been teaching for 30+ years.
Well Bulldog, my point was - no matter what the school does, there should be consequences at home. And, obviously, there is not.
We can sit and look at the educational "big picture" and agree, IT STINKS.
I have always looked at education as the responsibility of the parent. The school system is your biggest resource, and a diminishing one at that. I'm so fortunate that my kids are all past the HS age, but, those who have younger kids are going to have to sit down and re-asses how to educate their kids...... Rely on the system....Big Mistake.
I would suggest to all parents that they look at the elementary school ages in a more important light. Make sure that when the kids leave the 5th grade they are well aware of study habits, time management, and excel in basic math, reading, and writing skills. Enter the middle school and HS levels with good fundamentals because that's where it all begins to fall apart.
WI is one of the best educational States in the Country (probably because "outside" is a punishment 4 months out of the year), and our school tax reflects that. However, I have seen that it is the middle of the road student who are slipping the most. Why? Because within the system there is an emphasis to bring the poor student up to par, keeping the cream of the class challenged, and as a result the average student gets the short end. This is where it is the responsibility of the parent to pound fundamentals early so their kid does not fall into that black hole in HS.
I hate to sound so selfish, but, take care of your own, and don't use local, District, or State figures to determine where your kids rank. When I see failing school stats I see the failing of parental skills.
I'm basically a very positive person, but, I see no answer that will turn around the trend I've seen in the demise of family values from top to bottom, and those values are the basis of our educational system.
I have always looked at education as the responsibility of the parent. The school system is your biggest resource, and a diminishing one at that. I'm so fortunate that my kids are all past the HS age, but, those who have younger kids are going to have to sit down and re-asses how to educate their kids...... Rely on the system....Big Mistake.
I would suggest to all parents that they look at the elementary school ages in a more important light. Make sure that when the kids leave the 5th grade they are well aware of study habits, time management, and excel in basic math, reading, and writing skills. Enter the middle school and HS levels with good fundamentals because that's where it all begins to fall apart.
WI is one of the best educational States in the Country (probably because "outside" is a punishment 4 months out of the year), and our school tax reflects that. However, I have seen that it is the middle of the road student who are slipping the most. Why? Because within the system there is an emphasis to bring the poor student up to par, keeping the cream of the class challenged, and as a result the average student gets the short end. This is where it is the responsibility of the parent to pound fundamentals early so their kid does not fall into that black hole in HS.
I hate to sound so selfish, but, take care of your own, and don't use local, District, or State figures to determine where your kids rank. When I see failing school stats I see the failing of parental skills.
I'm basically a very positive person, but, I see no answer that will turn around the trend I've seen in the demise of family values from top to bottom, and those values are the basis of our educational system.
Perhaps if we not only took care of our own, but actually took the time to care about others, things might start to get better.
Not every child is born to good parents or born into an ideal situation. Many are not and are up against consequences even adults would have a hard time handling.
Some children need a neighbor, a friend, even a stranger to take the time to give a rats-hoot about them and to show them they care. A lending ear, a lending hand, a offer of support.
In my opinion our children should be everyone's concern,...especially the ones who act out. Acknowledgement of a problem is easy, rectifying the source of the problem is the difficult part.
SIS for some actually offers a place " to be " and provides a group to " belong " to.
Sometimes its better than being at home, or on the street. Too bad more positive solutions don't always go into this softly labled " punishment ".
Not every child is born to good parents or born into an ideal situation. Many are not and are up against consequences even adults would have a hard time handling.
Some children need a neighbor, a friend, even a stranger to take the time to give a rats-hoot about them and to show them they care. A lending ear, a lending hand, a offer of support.
In my opinion our children should be everyone's concern,...especially the ones who act out. Acknowledgement of a problem is easy, rectifying the source of the problem is the difficult part.
SIS for some actually offers a place " to be " and provides a group to " belong " to.
Sometimes its better than being at home, or on the street. Too bad more positive solutions don't always go into this softly labled " punishment ".quote:Perhaps if we not only took care of our own, but actually took the time to care about others, things might start to get better.
ssmom,
I wish I could feel the same and have no problem offering study tables or whatever to all those who want to learn, taught by those who want to give the time. I do see a lot of good done for those who want to learn, but, am tired of those snubbing their nose at the system looking for an easy way out and a scapegoat for their failures, and it all starts with Mom/Dad who passes those ideas down to the kids. The biggest part of learning is wanting it bad enough, and making time to apply that desire.
I agree with your quote
quote:Not every child is born to good parents or born into an ideal situation.
However, it's so hard to get "buy-in" from the kids when the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I feel so cold when I say there are "casuaties of war", but at some point we have to embrace those kids who WANT to survive and let the others go the direction their parents have led them.
Why pay for a sokker player to go to a baseball camp.
What a schmuck I am, huh
Ohh goodness RZ1, you are certainly not a schmuck.
I was actually attempting to take what you said in your above post, one step further. There are plenty of capable parents who do not step up to the plate.
But I also see many quick to criticize the child and his/her lack of effort. I believe there are reasons for this and if we spent a little more time trying to help, rather than to criticize, then perhaps things might start to get better. Casting blame and passing the buck are easy. So is snubbing the system. Lets get to the meat of the issues and work towards a better tomorrow. Ya gotta start somewhere.
Lets start with our children. For those that refuse to learn, lets find out why and lets give them a productive direction to head towards. Sometimes it takes very little to get to the root of the problem, but it does take someone, anyone, everyone to at least try.
Because it is an attempt to care and its a start.
I was actually attempting to take what you said in your above post, one step further. There are plenty of capable parents who do not step up to the plate.
But I also see many quick to criticize the child and his/her lack of effort. I believe there are reasons for this and if we spent a little more time trying to help, rather than to criticize, then perhaps things might start to get better. Casting blame and passing the buck are easy. So is snubbing the system. Lets get to the meat of the issues and work towards a better tomorrow. Ya gotta start somewhere.
Lets start with our children. For those that refuse to learn, lets find out why and lets give them a productive direction to head towards. Sometimes it takes very little to get to the root of the problem, but it does take someone, anyone, everyone to at least try.
quote:Why pay for a sokker player to go to a baseball camp.
Because it is an attempt to care and its a start.
Fungo said: In 2004, JCM's graduation rate was 67.3 percent. JCM's graduation rate this year was 57.2 percent, according to the report card.
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The stats reveal the truth about results, but do not tell the truth about the causes. IMHO we have all be living through the causes. We allowed prayer to be removed from school. Then we allowed the Pledge of Allegiance to be removed. Then we allowed "religious" speak to be banned from our schools. Then we allowed the teaching of immorality and corruption of the human spirit to taught in our schools, abortion, condoms over bananas, illicit and promiscuious behavior, homosexuality as the same as normalcy, etc and then we allowed anarchy to be taught in our schools when our public officials won't do a thing about illegal immigration and our kids who are citizens of this country are having their rights nullified with every child that is being educated in our schools who don't belong there.
Should I go on...what you have is chaos and complete break down of an orderally society. We all sit and watch the revoluttion of the left-wing in this coutry taking place right before our eyes and then you all voted for BO as president. I can't help but just shake my head and wonder where did my country go wrong. If I remember correctly we have guys like Bill Ayres who called for a revolution with the Weathermen and he moved into teaching in our colleges a philosophy to destroy western civilization and now you've got his revolution in spades. They will be running your government, WH, Congress, and the Courts.
I rest my case...
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The stats reveal the truth about results, but do not tell the truth about the causes. IMHO we have all be living through the causes. We allowed prayer to be removed from school. Then we allowed the Pledge of Allegiance to be removed. Then we allowed "religious" speak to be banned from our schools. Then we allowed the teaching of immorality and corruption of the human spirit to taught in our schools, abortion, condoms over bananas, illicit and promiscuious behavior, homosexuality as the same as normalcy, etc and then we allowed anarchy to be taught in our schools when our public officials won't do a thing about illegal immigration and our kids who are citizens of this country are having their rights nullified with every child that is being educated in our schools who don't belong there.
Should I go on...what you have is chaos and complete break down of an orderally society. We all sit and watch the revoluttion of the left-wing in this coutry taking place right before our eyes and then you all voted for BO as president. I can't help but just shake my head and wonder where did my country go wrong. If I remember correctly we have guys like Bill Ayres who called for a revolution with the Weathermen and he moved into teaching in our colleges a philosophy to destroy western civilization and now you've got his revolution in spades. They will be running your government, WH, Congress, and the Courts.
I rest my case...
quote:Sometimes it takes very little to get to the root of the problem, but it does take someone to at least try.
How many times have we identified the root of this problem, applied the needed fertilizer, but the flower never blooms. As a result of attempting to nurture a "problem garden", our garden, that once thrived is now full of choking weeds that accumulated because we ignored the upkeep.
One of the worst phrases I heard was "It take a village to raise a child." We know who said it. How wrong that is. "It take parents to raise a child." Ones who teach a child all aspects of life: Love, responsibility, compassion, accountability, etc. Both from the Male and Female viewpoints. One side, without the other, is incomplete.
It takes the help of a village to raise a child in that society should hold strong and require people to follow these aspects and grow up to be respectable citizens.
It takes the help of a village to raise a child in that society should hold strong and require people to follow these aspects and grow up to be respectable citizens.
Ahhh RZ, now you're talkin' in my heart of America, great prairie land lingo!
Mis-diagnosis. Wrong fertilizer.
The flower may not bloom, but hopefully with a little water, it won't die either.
Instant fixes don't necessarily work.
But the effort to continue to try to get the flower to bloom may some day prove to be fruitful. Its the effort, that we should not stop.
If everyone chipped in to help till the pastures ( so-to-speak ), even just a little, there would be less weeds in the garden.
Funny thing tho',.... most weeds are pretty hardy, can pop up just about anywhere, many are full of thorns, and are considered by most to be a nusance.
But if we look a little closer, we can see that weeds, like a typical flower, are capable of blossoming, too. Its just a matter of perspective, I suppose.
Mis-diagnosis. Wrong fertilizer.
The flower may not bloom, but hopefully with a little water, it won't die either.
Instant fixes don't necessarily work.
But the effort to continue to try to get the flower to bloom may some day prove to be fruitful. Its the effort, that we should not stop.
If everyone chipped in to help till the pastures ( so-to-speak ), even just a little, there would be less weeds in the garden.
Funny thing tho',.... most weeds are pretty hardy, can pop up just about anywhere, many are full of thorns, and are considered by most to be a nusance.
But if we look a little closer, we can see that weeds, like a typical flower, are capable of blossoming, too. Its just a matter of perspective, I suppose.
quote:I rest my case...
thank you
quote:One of the worst phrases I heard was "It take a village to raise a child." We know who said it. How wrong that is. "It take parents to raise a child." Ones who teach a child all aspects of life: Love, responsibility, compassion, accountability, etc. Both from the Male and Female viewpoints. One side, without the other, is incomplete.
It takes the help of a village to raise a child in that society should hold strong and require people to follow these aspects and grow up to be respectable citizens.
Not all children have the good fortune to be born to responsible, capable, caring parents who love them. If a child is born to bad, irresponsible, lazy, cruel or neglectful parents, that is not the child's fault. I think a civil society has a responsibility to look out for those children who have no one to step up for them. I don't know the answer, but I think shortstopmom is on the right track.
quote:Originally posted by BBkaze:
They will be running your government, WH, Congress, and the Courts.
It's not paranoia if they are actually talking about me.