Is the "Crow Hop" outdated?

This isn't a crow hop?

https://www.mlb.com/video/stat...ph-throw/c-606604783

No.

A crow hop has you stutter stepping twice on your throwing arm side(i.e. right leg for RH'er) leg. It's a pretty distinct motion.

2019Dad posted:

This isn't a crow hop?

https://www.mlb.com/video/stat...ph-throw/c-606604783

It's most definitely a crow hop.  Hopping twice on throwing leg is simply hopping twice. Not sure what that is other than wasted movement. A crow hop is "hopping" in the air off your glove foot toward your target, turning your body sideways into position for the throw, and landing (and launching) off your throwing foot.

I've never seen a decent outfielder not crow hop and I would disagree with your son that Bradley Jr. crow hops every time he throws home.  Some exaggerate it like you are describing but a crow hop is hopping in the air to get your momentum headed home.

The one he throws over the fence is clearly a crow hop and so is the double play.  I think your son's or your definition of a crow hop is the difference. 

I have done a lot of work with this with our HS players and have followed the wide variety of what colleges teach. 

No, Hicks' move is not a crow hop.  It is a step-behind.  The basic debate on the topic is usually crow hop vs. step-behind.  The following video is a pretty good illustration of the comparison..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMU7ds_WpiM

Both have advantages and disadvantages.  There are a few keys for me.  The crow hop allows an OF to fully utilize the momentum he has built up coming in on the ball.  No, a crow hop should not involve stutter stepping twice although on occasion, where the player fields the moving ball may dictate a small extra shuffle.  The step-behind offers more consistent efficiency of footwork but, for many, there is a slight slowing of momentum.  It really comes down to which the individual player is most comfortable with.   Keys are that the player fields the ball in as optimal a position as possible, does not lift  the body vertically too much (in the case of crow hop), is as quick and efficient as possible and finished through with momentum to the target.

The old school traditional crow hop included an upward hop and that move has been largely dispelled.  The currently taught crow hop maintains horizontal momentum (see video attached).

cabbagedad posted:

I have done a lot of work with this with our HS players and have followed the wide variety of what colleges teach. 

No, Hicks' move is not a crow hop.  It is a step-behind.  The basic debate on the topic is usually crow hop vs. step-behind.  The following video is a pretty good illustration of the comparison..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMU7ds_WpiM

Both have advantages and disadvantages.  There are a few keys for me.  The crow hop allows an OF to fully utilize the momentum he has built up coming in on the ball.  No, a crow hop should not involve stutter stepping twice although on occasion, where the player fields the moving ball may dictate a small extra shuffle.  The step-behind offers more consistent efficiency of footwork.  It really comes down to which the individual player is most comfortable with.   Keys are that the player fields the ball in as optimal a position as possible, does not lift  the body horizontally too much (in the case of crow hop), is as quick and efficient as possible and finished through with momentum to the target.

The old school traditional crow hop included an upward hop and that move has been largely dispelled.  The currently taught crow hop maintains vertical momentum (see video attached).

Semantics.  He is still "hopping" as in shifting momentum to throwing side leg from his glove leg. He happens to step behind first simply to set up his crow hop so he can turn his body properly and more efficiently.  It's the shift of weight and momentum that defines the crow hop. Look at the distance he covers.

I like the video demonstrating the "two" techniques but I would argue proper mechanics merges the two into one.

There are basically two forms of crow hop:

1. The step in front crowhop were you jump off the left leg, lift your right thigh high and across and then plant right left.

https://youtu.be/JuS6DimRH4s

2. The step behind:

https://youtu.be/d-a0CKlF8sQ

Most pros use the step behind now because it is quicker.

If you do a crow how in front I would suggest to do a low right leg swing (like an instep soccer kick) like javelin throwers use 

https://youtu.be/w5_5bR8GyL0

Doing a super high jump and knee lift only slows you down.

Our approach has been to can the crow hop esp if he gets 90s velo from staying low and in touch with the ground.  

sunwalkingvalley posted:

Our approach has been to can the crow hop esp if he gets 90s velo from staying low and in touch with the ground.  

My definition of crow hop is the transition of weight from one foot to the other.  Step behind, step ahead is still crow hop.  Music is music whether it is hip hop or jazz.  You cannot throw to homeplate from deep outfield without some form of crow hop even if you throw 100.  To me and most, infielders don't crow hop so to throw from the outfield without a crow hop would be throwing like an infielder.  All MLB outfielders crow hop in some form to throw home from deep outfield.

The quicker you catch the ball and get into a position where you look like a pitcher, the better.  The shoulder and hip coiled inward, the back leg bent at first (then going to almost full extension), and the back elbow/hand in position. 

I'm going to try and get video of my son throwing when he comes back on Christmas break.