Runner on 2nd base takes off for 3rd as pitcher is running a spaghetti move. Pitcher puts stride leg down when he sees the runner and he steps more towards 3rd than 2nd base. Is this a balk?
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What is a spaghetti move? Never heard of that one before.
IEBSBL,
Sorry, not enough info given to offer you any answer....
Help needed to clarify:
1.Spaghetti Move- never heard of this term. probably a local term for a common move, but you will need to describe in detail what this move entails.
2. Pitcher- Right handed or left handed
3. Runners on base- we know we have a runner on second but are there any others?
4. Level of Game- High School, College, Youth ball...senior mens league?....
5. Rule code used- NFHS, NCAA, OBR?
I'm sure we can come up with an interpretation with some additional info.
Sorry, not enough info given to offer you any answer....
Help needed to clarify:
1.Spaghetti Move- never heard of this term. probably a local term for a common move, but you will need to describe in detail what this move entails.
2. Pitcher- Right handed or left handed
3. Runners on base- we know we have a runner on second but are there any others?
4. Level of Game- High School, College, Youth ball...senior mens league?....
5. Rule code used- NFHS, NCAA, OBR?
I'm sure we can come up with an interpretation with some additional info.
Spaghetti move is just a 3rd to 1st move I believe.
Not a balk is my vote.
Not a balk is my vote.
quote:Originally posted by ironhorse:
Spaghetti move is just a 3rd to 1st move I believe.
Not a balk is my vote.
Why would he be doing that with R2?
That I can't answer and I found it odd. God only knows with some of the posts I've seen here. Just know I've always heard the 3rd to 1st (or sometimes 2nd) move called a spaghetti move.
I don't know about the move either. If you just have a R2 and he actually breaks, then the pitcher can step to second or third. Not entirely true in Fed.
quote:Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
If you just have a R2 and he actually breaks, then the pitcher can step to second or third. Not entirely true in Fed.
It isn't?
quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
It isn't?
Nope. In Fed, the restriction on a pitcher throwing ahead of a runner is more strict. The runner actually has to be attempting to advance--a feint of a steal does not suffice.
quote:Originally posted by Matt13:quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
It isn't?
Nope. In Fed, the restriction on a pitcher throwing ahead of a runner is more strict. The runner actually has to be attempting to advance--a feint of a steal does not suffice.
I think it's the other way around. FED allows a throw to an unoccupied base if it is an attempt to "put out or drive back" a runner. OBR requires a play.
A Spaghetti move or an inside move....When the pitcher lifts his stride leg spins on his pivot foot to pick to second base. I put spaghetti move because I figured more people had heard that term than and inside move. So let start over
When the pitcher lifts his stride leg the runner at 2nd base attempts to steal 3rd base. The pitcher Spaghetti/inside moves. The pitcher see the runner going and put his pivot leg down in between the direction of 3rd and 2nd base. Is this a balk?
When the pitcher lifts his stride leg the runner at 2nd base attempts to steal 3rd base. The pitcher Spaghetti/inside moves. The pitcher see the runner going and put his pivot leg down in between the direction of 3rd and 2nd base. Is this a balk?
quote:Originally posted by Matt13:quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
It isn't?
Nope. In Fed, the restriction on a pitcher throwing ahead of a runner is more strict. The runner actually has to be attempting to advance--a feint of a steal does not suffice.
In FED, F1 may attempt a pickoff to make a play or drive back the runner.
quote:Originally posted by IEBSBL:
A Spaghetti move or an inside move....When the pitcher lifts his stride leg spins on his pivot foot to pick to second base. I put spaghetti move because I figured more people had heard that term than and inside move. So let start over
When the pitcher lifts his stride leg the runner at 2nd base attempts to steal 3rd base. The pitcher Spaghetti/inside moves. The pitcher see the runner going and put his pivot leg down in between the direction of 3rd and 2nd base. Is this a balk?
Still can't tell. If the entire free (stride) foot went behind the back edge of the rubber, it is a balk if the pitcher steps, feints and/or throws to 3rd. Your original post said the step was more toward third.
quote:Originally posted by dash_riprock:
I think it's the other way around. FED allows a throw to an unoccupied base if it is an attempt to "put out or drive back" a runner. OBR requires a play.
Doh. I even thought that as I posted.
Dash, that's what I meant when I said Fed was a little different.
To the OP: As already noted, if he goes by the rubber he has to pitch or make a move or feint to second. If he goes partway then he can go to third.
To the OP: As already noted, if he goes by the rubber he has to pitch or make a move or feint to second. If he goes partway then he can go to third.
it's why we teach our pitchers the "linguini" move. So there's no confusion.
I had never heard of a spaghetti move, now I have never heard of a linguini move. Is that also a third to first move? Umpires know third to first or a 3 to 1 move. We know inside and outside move to second. We know a move to first which include, disengage, jump move, jab step and step from the rubber. Anything else is probably going to leave us confused.
just trying to be funny blue.
Sorry, sometimes I can be obtuse. 
quote:Originally posted by cball:
it's why we teach our pitchers the "linguini" move. So there's no confusion.
cball
That was funny!!!
The Rotini move is really screwy.