quote:Originally posted by osage10:
I don't mean to sound dumb but can someone clarify...25% of what?...thanks
25% of a full scholarship
25% of a full scholarship
25% of a full scholarship
So Coach,
I guess the answer to my original question is-
You can be on scholarship at 25% BB money in 2008 spring season, and come spring of 2009 that same player can be a walk-on with less than 25% academic money only.I guess that would be a demoted player.
I guess the answer to my original question is-
You can be on scholarship at 25% BB money in 2008 spring season, and come spring of 2009 that same player can be a walk-on with less than 25% academic money only.
thats a balk,
Sorry didn't mean to get on ya.
I am wondering if, in the future if this thing sticks how a coach will handle a 5th year senior who may have only a few credits left to be able to give 25% of his 11.7? I would assume in many programs seniors have been cut back on % of their funds to make room for a new freshman. Any thoughts?
Sorry didn't mean to get on ya.
I am wondering if, in the future if this thing sticks how a coach will handle a 5th year senior who may have only a few credits left to be able to give 25% of his 11.7? I would assume in many programs seniors have been cut back on % of their funds to make room for a new freshman. Any thoughts?
TPM, I'm sure many kids get academic money, but the fact is, some kids are going to get left out in the cold on this. I know several 2008's already in that boat -- likely 10%'ers who had to either look at their secondary schools or take 0% at their preferred school. It's a darned shame.
I don't know about transfers from D-1 down to D-3, but I can tell you that I know a kid who has transferred from D-3 to NAIA and he has to sit out this spring. Though I don't pretend to know the byzantine rules enough to tell you why or under what rule -- I just know he's been told he'll have to wait until 2009.
As for W&M, I cited them merely as an example, not to criticize. Lots of things go into budget decisions and I'm not in a position to argue with them on whether their money should be allocated differently. Once the decision is made by the powers that be, the baseball coaches do the best they can. The last baseball coach ultimately left, largely in frustration over this issue. W&M is a relatively small school for D-1 play, so money will always be tight, and the priorities are always going to be football, basketball and Title IX, in that order. Frankly it was a major accomplishment to build the new stadium there in the '90's, so you have to be grateful for what they've achieved as it is.
Perhaps now that the new coaches have their feet under them there, they can build their fund raising up over time. Or maybe Bill Bray, Brendan Harris or Chris Ray can stick in MLB long enough to become major benefactors?
I don't know about transfers from D-1 down to D-3, but I can tell you that I know a kid who has transferred from D-3 to NAIA and he has to sit out this spring. Though I don't pretend to know the byzantine rules enough to tell you why or under what rule -- I just know he's been told he'll have to wait until 2009.
As for W&M, I cited them merely as an example, not to criticize. Lots of things go into budget decisions and I'm not in a position to argue with them on whether their money should be allocated differently. Once the decision is made by the powers that be, the baseball coaches do the best they can. The last baseball coach ultimately left, largely in frustration over this issue. W&M is a relatively small school for D-1 play, so money will always be tight, and the priorities are always going to be football, basketball and Title IX, in that order. Frankly it was a major accomplishment to build the new stadium there in the '90's, so you have to be grateful for what they've achieved as it is.
Perhaps now that the new coaches have their feet under them there, they can build their fund raising up over time. Or maybe Bill Bray, Brendan Harris or Chris Ray can stick in MLB long enough to become major benefactors?
quote:I do know of players that were asked to transfer already in preparation of the new roster limits and tranfer rules.
Is this a politically correct way of saying...what we old timers call..."cut"?
I know of a bunch as well, and my fear is that many other schools are keeping larger rosters through this spring and will make their changes in June.
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Midlo...
I am pretty sure there is not rule...but it may be a situation where a coach simply does not want to "tinker" with the roster that he has(is unwilling to displace anyone)?
Honorable?
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Midlo...
quote:I don't know about transfers from D-1 down to D-3, but I can tell you that I know a kid who has transferred from D-3 to NAIA and he has to sit out this spring. Though I don't pretend to know the byzantine rules enough to tell you why or under what rule -- I just know he's been told he'll have to wait until 2009.
I am pretty sure there is not rule...but it may be a situation where a coach simply does not want to "tinker" with the roster that he has(is unwilling to displace anyone)?
Honorable?
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quote:my fear is that many other schools are keeping larger rosters through this spring and will make their changes in June
A scary thought.
Might I add not very honorable?
Midlo, I would think that W&M, with their academic bent, would fair better under these guidelines. A lot of their players are going to be, "smarties" anyway. Now those kids can get all the academic money they want without it penalizing the athletic baseball coffer.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
TPM, I'm sure many kids get academic money, but the fact is, some kids are going to get left out in the cold on this. I know several 2008's already in that boat -- likely 10%'ers who had to either look at their secondary schools or take 0% at their preferred school. It's a darned shame.
I don't understand your statement, not everyone gets to go to their preferred school and if they would have been a marginal player, why not choose a school where you would get more? Why does it have to be a D1 school?
I don't know about transfers from D-1 down to D-3, but I can tell you that I know a kid who has transferred from D-3 to NAIA and he has to sit out this spring. Though I don't pretend to know the byzantine rules enough to tell you why or under what rule -- I just know he's been told he'll have to wait until 2009.
There are academic rules that have to be met when you transfer, you don't know the particulars, the school has the right to determine whether a transfer gets to play or not.
As for W&M, I cited them merely as an example, not to criticize. Lots of things go into budget decisions and I'm not in a position to argue with them on whether their money should be allocated differently. Once the decision is made by the powers that be, the baseball coaches do the best they can. The last baseball coach ultimately left, largely in frustration over this issue. W&M is a relatively small school for D-1 play, so money will always be tight, and the priorities are always going to be football, basketball and Title IX, in that order. Frankly it was a major accomplishment to build the new stadium there in the '90's, so you have to be grateful for what they've achieved as it is.
You brought up W&M not me.
Below is a link to the NCAA transfer rules all divisions, 06/07.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/transfer_guide/2006...7_transfer_guide.pdf
TPM, I'm sure many kids get academic money, but the fact is, some kids are going to get left out in the cold on this. I know several 2008's already in that boat -- likely 10%'ers who had to either look at their secondary schools or take 0% at their preferred school. It's a darned shame.
I don't understand your statement, not everyone gets to go to their preferred school and if they would have been a marginal player, why not choose a school where you would get more? Why does it have to be a D1 school?
I don't know about transfers from D-1 down to D-3, but I can tell you that I know a kid who has transferred from D-3 to NAIA and he has to sit out this spring. Though I don't pretend to know the byzantine rules enough to tell you why or under what rule -- I just know he's been told he'll have to wait until 2009.
There are academic rules that have to be met when you transfer, you don't know the particulars, the school has the right to determine whether a transfer gets to play or not.
As for W&M, I cited them merely as an example, not to criticize. Lots of things go into budget decisions and I'm not in a position to argue with them on whether their money should be allocated differently. Once the decision is made by the powers that be, the baseball coaches do the best they can. The last baseball coach ultimately left, largely in frustration over this issue. W&M is a relatively small school for D-1 play, so money will always be tight, and the priorities are always going to be football, basketball and Title IX, in that order. Frankly it was a major accomplishment to build the new stadium there in the '90's, so you have to be grateful for what they've achieved as it is.
You brought up W&M not me.
Below is a link to the NCAA transfer rules all divisions, 06/07.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/general/transfer_guide/2006...7_transfer_guide.pdf
I'd like to make a couple of comments regarding posts from page 1 of this thread, specifically discussing the transfer having to sit for a year.
TPM, I agree with you 100% where you wrote:
What I really don't understand is how the transfer sitting out for a year is supposed to help the APR? As TPM pointed out, the player will likely transfer down to D2, D3 or NAIA, and not D1-to-D1.
It still places limits on that player's future. I think giving them full rides is a fair reciprocal for sitting a transfer year. Especially in light of the fact that the rules still allow a coach to over-recruit in the fall and cut in the spring.quote:TPM wrote: While I have stated that I do have some issues with the sit out one year transfer year, I think we are forgetting that no ones has stated that you CANNOT transfer, you just cannot transfer to another D1 program. What's wrong with that?
TPM, I agree with you 100% where you wrote:
As long as these "quasi tryouts" are allowed to exist, I think this creates that non-reciprocal agreement between player and school.quote:However, I want to have confidance that the coach that I am working with is doing his best to be up front and honest, I am expecting that when I get to campus in the fall, there are less than 35 I have to compete with, NOT 45-50. I think that this is going to be a big factor in the process. After all, wasn't this the intent for limiting roster size and getting rid of those "quasi tryouts"?
What I really don't understand is how the transfer sitting out for a year is supposed to help the APR? As TPM pointed out, the player will likely transfer down to D2, D3 or NAIA, and not D1-to-D1.
quote:Originally posted by Tantrough:
What I really don't understand is how the transfer sitting out for a year is supposed to help the APR? As TPM pointed out, the player will likely transferdownto D2, D3 or NAIA, and not D1-to-D1.
To set the record straight, I used that word but not to have a negative meaning
In understanding what transfering and sitting out one year has to do with APR, read the following, scroll down to APR facts, read questions and answers.
I found this to be the simplest of explanations. The sit out one year transfer is meant to discourage a revolving door within the baseball program, which has been abused (not going to get into whether it's teh coach or student athlete). That is why coaches who do things the right way, felt they were being punished by those that didn't.
http://umterps.cstv.com/genrel/050207aae.html
Just to make sure you are reading up-to-date information, below is the link to the 2007/08 NCAA guide to transfers (above link posted by TPM is to 2006/07):
2007/08 NCAA Transfer Guide
Page 20 is where the rubber meets the road.
2007/08 NCAA Transfer Guide
Page 20 is where the rubber meets the road.
In my opinion, the NCAA does not regulate athletes, rather they maintain the status quo. If the NCAA wants to promote collegiate athletics, then why is there a waiting period. If the goal of the NCAA is to prepare the student athlete for professional athletics, then why bar the use of Athlete Agents? In my opinion, the NCAA is a business. The NCAA acts in the best interest of the group, not the individual athlete. My posiiton is that the NCAA is not what it claims to be.
As for college coaches, they sometimes fall into the same categories as our politicians, their "commitment" is subject to change. With that said, analyze all of your options because the coaches already have.
As for college coaches, they sometimes fall into the same categories as our politicians, their "commitment" is subject to change. With that said, analyze all of your options because the coaches already have.
Am I mistaken or does a walkon with no athletic money have absolutly no impact on the APR calculation, ever?
A walk on if they meet the questions answered on the updated rules above I think would affect the APR. Transfer rules apply to even those who work out with the team and are on either roster even if cut after fall.
quote:Originally posted by CollegeParent:
Am I mistaken or does a walkon with no athletic money have absolutly no impact on the APR calculation, ever?
Good question.The graduation rate is based on "scholarship" athletes and if they are receiving acadmic scholarhships they would fall in that category.
I'll see if I can find out that answer.