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Off the top of my head... The only Big League pitcher I can think of with a violent head jerk is MacDougal (Royals). Of course he has thrown mid to better 90s. Also had some injury problems and wildness problems.
One of his injuries should have been whip lash. But he was on the AL all star team a few years ago.
One of his injuries should have been whip lash. But he was on the AL all star team a few years ago.
quote:What is the difference between this guys rear leg and the clemens clip in this thread?
Some differences that I see...
- Clemens' right leg is much more bent and flexible than is Urquidez's. Urdiquez has an fairly straight line running down his back and his right leg. The angle down Clemens' back and right leg is much sharper.
- Clemens' knee stay much closer to the ground.
- Clemens never lifts his foot (much) off the ground.
- Clemens' foot freely slides off of the rubber. In contrast, Urquidez seems to be desperately trying to keep his right foot on the rubber. By doing this, he can't get his hips as far around.
Ok. But, what about the rear leg. Is it some kind of indicator? Or do you just stop the video at footplant and look at their hips.
quote:Or do you just stop the video at footplant and look at their hips.
bbscout,
Doesn't it make sense to look at what the hips do beyond foot plant (as well)? If the hips keep rotating beyond that point (which is hard but I think Ryan and Koufax both managed to do that) then won't that give the pitcher an extra boost of velocity.
I extracted the side view from the Clemens clip Linear posted and made an animated image. I'm linking to it because the clip ended up being close to 2megabytes...
Clemens Side View
Jason
Clemens Side View
Jason
bbscout,
I have asked this elsewhere and would love your opinion.
What do you think of guys who stiffen the glove-side leg (e.g. lock the knee) either as the pitching arm is accelerating or as they release the ball? Urquidez does this (to a lesser degree) in one of the frames.
Do you think that's a red flag?
I ask because I know that Koufax (and Ryan to a lesser degree) did this and see how it could give you a few extra MPH. However, I'm concerned that it could cause or contribute to arm injuries.
For example, in the case of Andy Pettitte, I think it shortens the distance over which he can decelerate his arm and caused the problems in the back of his rotator cuff.
P.S. In the clip above that FlippJ just posted Clemens does it too, but much later (well after he has released the ball). It doesn't seem to interfere with how he decelerates his arm.
I have asked this elsewhere and would love your opinion.
What do you think of guys who stiffen the glove-side leg (e.g. lock the knee) either as the pitching arm is accelerating or as they release the ball? Urquidez does this (to a lesser degree) in one of the frames.
Do you think that's a red flag?
I ask because I know that Koufax (and Ryan to a lesser degree) did this and see how it could give you a few extra MPH. However, I'm concerned that it could cause or contribute to arm injuries.
For example, in the case of Andy Pettitte, I think it shortens the distance over which he can decelerate his arm and caused the problems in the back of his rotator cuff.
P.S. In the clip above that FlippJ just posted Clemens does it too, but much later (well after he has released the ball). It doesn't seem to interfere with how he decelerates his arm.
Coach Chris,
Instead of looking at all of these great pitchers that have been mentioned and trying to figure out what they did wrong why don't you watch and enjoy the things that made them great? You might end up learning a few things that could actually translate into "real" instruction for your son and/or students.
I have a lot of clips and I absolutely love watching them. There is a reason the great ones are great and I want to understand what those things are if at all possible. That is why I enjoy posting clips and discussing them.
If you look deep enough into any pitchers history you're bound to find some injury whether it is minor or major. In my opinion pitching a baseball is not a natural movement and no matter how much you nitpick you aren't going to come up with a delivery that is guaranteed to be injury free - and neither is Marshall.
Good luck!
Jason
Instead of looking at all of these great pitchers that have been mentioned and trying to figure out what they did wrong why don't you watch and enjoy the things that made them great? You might end up learning a few things that could actually translate into "real" instruction for your son and/or students.
I have a lot of clips and I absolutely love watching them. There is a reason the great ones are great and I want to understand what those things are if at all possible. That is why I enjoy posting clips and discussing them.
If you look deep enough into any pitchers history you're bound to find some injury whether it is minor or major. In my opinion pitching a baseball is not a natural movement and no matter how much you nitpick you aren't going to come up with a delivery that is guaranteed to be injury free - and neither is Marshall.
Good luck!
Jason
The lead leg stiffens to act as an "anchor" to stop the hips moving forward, and allow the top half of the body, and eventually the arm to act as a whip.
If you were to continue forward (hips, lead leg collapsing), you would lose a lot of velocity. Definately not an efficient way to throw the ball.
If you were to continue forward (hips, lead leg collapsing), you would lose a lot of velocity. Definately not an efficient way to throw the ball.
The difference may be betwen stiffening up (possibly OK) and pushing back with (possibly bad) the glove-side leg.
Sandy Koufax doesn't have his glove-side leg stiff in the frame you site, but see frames 21.1, 21.3, 21.4, and 23.1of my analysis of his motion...
- Pitcher Analysis - Sandy Koufax
You can see Koufax's knee stiffen between 21.3 and 21.4 (21.4 should really be on the next line since it reflects a slightly later moment in time).
Koufax also stiffens his glove-side knee sooner than does Clemens.
Sandy Koufax doesn't have his glove-side leg stiff in the frame you site, but see frames 21.1, 21.3, 21.4, and 23.1of my analysis of his motion...
- Pitcher Analysis - Sandy Koufax
You can see Koufax's knee stiffen between 21.3 and 21.4 (21.4 should really be on the next line since it reflects a slightly later moment in time).
Koufax also stiffens his glove-side knee sooner than does Clemens.
quote:The lead leg stiffens to act as an "anchor" to stop the hips moving forward, and allow the top half of the body, and eventually the arm to act as a whip.
What I'm talking about isn't stiffening the leg (while still preserving some degree of flexibility).
What I'm talking about is locking the knee.
This may keep the leg from absorbing some of the shock and the force of the deceleration and may instead transfer it somewhere else up the kinetic chain.
quote:Instead of looking at all of these great pitchers that have been mentioned and trying to figure out what they did wrong why don't you watch and enjoy the things that made them great? You might end up learning a few things that could actually translate into "real" instruction for your son and/or students.
I have learned a lot and continue to do so. For instance, I was able to see how important it is that the hips lead the shoulders.
I also mention both what I like and what I find to be problematic about a pitcher's motion.
For example, I just did a breakdown of Cliff Politte's motion and think he may have the best hip/shoulder differential (his hips far lead the rotation of his shoulders) that I have ever seen.
quote:Chris, You should pay attention to what FlippJ just said to you.
But you and FlippJ are assuming that mechanics don't have anything to do with injuries and/or that you can't do anything about injuries.
I'm not convinced that's the case.
BB
You didn't....
Chris, what do ya think about clip of Sandy K.???LOL
Associate,
Shep
You didn't....
Chris, what do ya think about clip of Sandy K.???LOL
Associate,
Shep
Coach Chris,
You are the one making assumptions. I never said mechanics didn't have anything to do with injuries and neither did bbscout. I think mechanics contribute to injuries. I also think overuse and lack of conditioning (which you disagreed with) do too.
I believe you are spending way too much time figuring out what is wrong with every delivery that you miss out on all that is right. I mean no disrespect when I say this but after seeing that clip of you throwing and the clip you posted of your son on eteamz I would suggest that you do one of the following things for your son...
1) Have him play a different sport
2) Have him play a different postion
3) Hire a pitching coach
I'm sure you're an intelligent individual, but the more you talk about pitching the more I feel sorry for the young pitchers you come in contact with (including your son).
Jason
You are the one making assumptions. I never said mechanics didn't have anything to do with injuries and neither did bbscout. I think mechanics contribute to injuries. I also think overuse and lack of conditioning (which you disagreed with) do too.
I believe you are spending way too much time figuring out what is wrong with every delivery that you miss out on all that is right. I mean no disrespect when I say this but after seeing that clip of you throwing and the clip you posted of your son on eteamz I would suggest that you do one of the following things for your son...
1) Have him play a different sport
2) Have him play a different postion
3) Hire a pitching coach
I'm sure you're an intelligent individual, but the more you talk about pitching the more I feel sorry for the young pitchers you come in contact with (including your son).
Jason
I agree with PG about the double toe tap. It is a drill used to keep the weight back.
If you put a towel in his pitching hand would he hit where he is supposed to ? No he is off to his left and the towel is supposed to hit a glove held in front of him to get him to finish low and to to plate. This is why the hip rotation is weak and he is using mostly upper body. His pitching hand should pass close to his knee when finishing. The back leg should have a high kick before coming forward to rotate the hip sthrough and square up. There is less head jerk and preferrably non. Everything should be going to the plate.
having said that there are lots of guys in MLB that have less than ideal mechanics but are so strong they overpower batters.
If you put a towel in his pitching hand would he hit where he is supposed to ? No he is off to his left and the towel is supposed to hit a glove held in front of him to get him to finish low and to to plate. This is why the hip rotation is weak and he is using mostly upper body. His pitching hand should pass close to his knee when finishing. The back leg should have a high kick before coming forward to rotate the hip sthrough and square up. There is less head jerk and preferrably non. Everything should be going to the plate.
having said that there are lots of guys in MLB that have less than ideal mechanics but are so strong they overpower batters.
quote:Originally posted by FlippJ:
1) Have him play a different sport
2) Have him play a different postion
3) Hire a pitching coach
lol.
Anyone have a kleenex?
Wonder if he's ever tried triple toe touch????
quote:Chris, what do ya think about clip of Sandy K.???
First, it's hard to tell what his glove-side leg is doing since he's so small in the frame. Second, the angle is the wrong one (too head-on) for this kind of an analysis. Third, in this clip he is throwing a curveball.
It could very well be that his mechanics (e.g. his glove-side leg action) vary on different pitches.
Wonder who he's looking at in stands. Koufax that is...
It's almost as if saying, you got that on film?
As if he's hurt or something.
That is the slowest curve....rainbow-ish>LOL
It's almost as if saying, you got that on film?
As if he's hurt or something.
That is the slowest curve....rainbow-ish>LOL
quote:IMO – The toe tap doesn’t bother me, a few people actually teach this to pitchers who have trouble staying back. I think the hips could be quicker which would eliminate some of the effort in his delivery. The arm action is nice but he’s definitely a bobblehead.
quote:I agree with PG about the double toe tap. It is a drill used to keep the weight back
IMHO
Jason needs to slow front leg down, show front leg back pocket to hitter longer, land front foot in more of a 45 degree angle toe to heel like this / instead of landing front foot in 90 degree angle like this l.
In others words, concentrate keeping weight back in turn because you lose power when you toe tap and really doesn't solve the mechanical flaw. A triple toe touch wouldn't even help
Over-exxagerated bend at waist in delivery when loading during higher front leg-kick will help.
The longer you can keep the bend at the center in the loading process of the turn, the more rotational power you will produce.
<Hips are dragging in clip.> The reason this is happening is because his hips are opening too soon and he is straightening his front foot taking front side out of rotational turn. This causes the upperbody to work extremely hard when bringing back side forward causing the "BOBBLE".
Shep's Humble Take
Jason needs to slow front leg down, show front leg back pocket to hitter longer, land front foot in more of a 45 degree angle toe to heel like this / instead of landing front foot in 90 degree angle like this l.
In others words, concentrate keeping weight back in turn because you lose power when you toe tap and really doesn't solve the mechanical flaw. A triple toe touch wouldn't even help
Over-exxagerated bend at waist in delivery when loading during higher front leg-kick will help.
The longer you can keep the bend at the center in the loading process of the turn, the more rotational power you will produce.
<Hips are dragging in clip.> The reason this is happening is because his hips are opening too soon and he is straightening his front foot taking front side out of rotational turn. This causes the upperbody to work extremely hard when bringing back side forward causing the "BOBBLE".
Shep's Humble Take
One other thing that might help Jason is keeping front leg up longer when coming forward because he seems to be bringing front leg down too soon to do that second toe touch thing. Take the second toe touch completely out of the equation and try Shep's way and get back with us.
Shep's further Take
Jason, just send the ck to my wife-JK
Shep's further Take
Jason, just send the ck to my wife-JK
