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I haven't read Torre's book (yet)...but I saw this quote from it and thought how insightful this is to not only baseball, but to virtually any many professional career (business, athletics, otherwise). The quote in the book is in reference to ARod's immense fear of personal failure and how Torre believes it holds him back from being the complete, leave-it-all-out-there "team player." Or at least that is how it was relayed to me. Again, I haven't read the book yet.

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There's a certain free-fall you have to go through, when you commit yourself without a guarantee that it's always going to be good. There's a sort of trust, a trust and commitment thing that has to allow yourself to fail. Allow yourself to be embarrassed. Allow yourself to be vulnerable. And sometimes players aren't willing to do that.


My "professional" world is Aerospace research. I can say honestly that this quote very much describes what separates the world class researchers in our organization from the also-rans. We once had a Director who advised us (as young engineers) to 'take risks, don't shy away from the possibility of failure.'

Best advice I ever got on being a "professional." I would imagine that it relates very well to running a business and being a top-notch athlete (i.e. baseball player) too!

Thoughts?
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Director who advised us (as young engineers) to 'take risks, don't shy away from the possibility of failure.'

Would that be good advice for your doctor? Your pilot perhaps? Big Grin I suppose it depends on the circumstances. Perhaps, if your life were threatened with terminal illness, it might make sense to take some risk by the doctor in order to save it. I have been a Design Engineer most of my adult life. I know for a fact there are many times that risks simply cannot be taken or people can be injured or killed. With respect to resarch, is it possible that risks do not amount to life or death situations? Interesting take nonetheless justbb...

With respect to A-Rod - I think that perhaps is good insight on Joe Torre's part. When A-Rod was younger and the pressure was more on Ken Griffey to produce, A-Rod also was a producer. I think when the focus is on him to produce, I am not sure he always gets the desired results. Perhaps it is due to some of these things noted by Torre. Interesting topic justbb...
CD - I most definitely thought about the doctor analogy when writing the post and made a clear decision to not include it.

It applies to some professions...most certainly ours. I believe I kept the boundaries of my comments properly. Big Grin

Anyways, good observations by you...just wish I'd acknowledged that in my original post so as not to seem like a fool. Wink

One thing for sure...gotta bring your "A-game" every time on this website! Or else... Eek
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in addition to the thoughts above....

justbb - what is your take about Joe Torre sharing somethings that were private conversations at the time with the Yankees? If he were no longer managing, I guess I could understand it. He has to give them something to sell the books I suppose. However, given that he is currently managing, would you be entirely frank with him if you were a current player of his?
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You'll like this guys...

Read an article in the SF Chronicle years ago,(and saved the article) about the basic nature of genius in any field. It claimed that true genius was an ability to look at a given situation and put the pieces together in a way that no one else could see...or would see, because they were either not able to or were too fearful.

Article claimed that Joe Montana could look at a play developing under great pessure and see things in a way and at a level others could not and so take risk that others could not. Said Gretsky could see a line though the skates to the goal or teammates that no one else could see and had the confidence to try it

Here is the part you'll like....Article went on to draw parallels to brain surgery...quoted surgical nurses who have watched the world's best and most esteemed brain surgeons and they claimed that when faced with impossible situations in surgery, are able to take the same basic scenarios see things differently and make proceedures up that are in no text book or in medical school...YIKES!

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what is your take about Joe Torre sharing somethings that were private conversations at the time with the Yankees?

I lost all respect for Torre when he told tales out of school. Very disappointing for someone who I thought of as "Mr. Baseball". He crossed a professional boundary and broke the unspoken rule that what happens in baseball, stays in baseball. No one should ever feel comfortable confiding in him again as it may appear in the next book. He and Canseco have alot in common.

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