JuCo draft ?

playball2011 posted:

a lot of ? Here on kids early enrolling or passing on low draft opportunity to play in college,then get drafted later.

How many really good players r heading to JuCo over 4 yr college so they can be drafted after 2 yrs instead of 3? Do most % wise go to D1? 

JuCo has less strict rules on how much they can practice/play. They seem to get in a lot of ball in 2 yrs. 

opinions on what u would suggest to son if they have good chance at getting drafted out of college. 

There's so many different reasons for those kinds of choices, I don't know where one could say this or that is the best option since it so depends on the details of the circumstances.

I've seen players who had a really tough time adjusting to being a "student-athlete" and couldn't do well at being either a good student or good at their baseball; then choose to get to a JuCo that gives them an easier path for an opportunity to play ball.  Also, I've seen players who felt they were not getting the opportunity to play much and felt they had much more to show than what they could on their D-1 team and so opted to go to a JuCo or some other school where they got much more playing time resulting in better numbers and even being drafted where they may not have been had they stayed where they were.

Some player's really want to follow a baseball only path, but may not develop enough until they play at a college level.  They then mature and become more draftable.  Going to a JuCo with a good baseball program can get a player drafted sooner than out of a 4 yr college, so JuCo can be an excellent path for some players who really want to get into pro-ball as soon as possible.  

In terms of signing bonus money, we know that HS players tend to get the bigger offers followed by players from JuCo's.  But the time a player is a College Senior, they're lost almost all their leverage and get offered very little. . . unless they are still a 1sr round pick.

When my son was in college, we figure his chances were good that he'd be drafted out of college and it was decided if the offer was good enough, he wouldn't hesitate to sign.  It was and he did at the end of his Jr. year.

playball2011 posted:

a lot of ? Here on kids early enrolling or passing on low draft opportunity to play in college,then get drafted later.

How many really good players r heading to JuCo over 4 yr college so they can be drafted after 2 yrs instead of 3? Do most % wise go to D1? 

JuCo has less strict rules on how much they can practice/play. They seem to get in a lot of ball in 2 yrs. 

opinions on what u would suggest to son if they have good chance at getting drafted out of college. 

The first priority should be to get a degree. Everything else is icing on the cake. Some take different paths to get that diploma, and sometimes along that path the draft gets in the way.

Check out last years draft, how many players where drafted out of Juco? How many out of a 4 year college?

playball2011 posted:

a lot of ? Here on kids early enrolling or passing on low draft opportunity to play in college,then get drafted later.

How many really good players r heading to JuCo over 4 yr college so they can be drafted after 2 yrs instead of 3? Do most % wise go to D1? 

JuCo has less strict rules on how much they can practice/play. They seem to get in a lot of ball in 2 yrs. 

opinions on what u would suggest to son if they have good chance at getting drafted out of college. 

Actually, can get drafted out of JC after one year. It's often an option for the kid that doesn't get drafted as high out of high school as he thought he should be and thinks he can do better next year or needs better grades. It's not really an option used for kids that wants to go to college and could otherwise go to a D1.

So you are suggesting because someone didn't get drafted out of HS they should choose a juco option?  Juco isn't draft and follow like it used to be and most players do not develop after one year of juco.  Juco should not be used for the hope of getting drafted, unless you are a Bryce Harper, that's OK.  Use it to get better grades to attend  a 4 year program you will get better at and possibly get drafted latwer on.

TPM posted:

So you are suggesting because someone didn't get drafted out of HS they should choose a juco option?  Juco isn't draft and follow like it used to be and most players do not develop after one year of juco.  Juco should not be used for the hope of getting drafted, unless you are a Bryce Harper, that's OK.  Use it to get better grades to attend  a 4 year program you will get better at and possibly get drafted latwer on.

If you are responding to my post, please re-read it. First, I didn't suggest anything of the sort. I was explaining reasons kids would go to JC outside of actually planning to go to college. You may also see that I talked about kids not getting drafted as high in the draft as think they should have. It allows them to continue to play and develop for one more year without having to sit for three years. Higher draft means more money. Not that it always works out - see Aiken for example. If you've ever seen an MLB questionnaire, you may note that one question asked is whether you would be agreeable to attending one year of JC if which leads me to believe there are clubs that think that is a good option for some guys they are following.

I was just looking and, for one example, our small local JC has had 20 players drafted straight from the school since 1999. Of those 20, 19 were freshmen when drafted. Only 4 were taken in the first ten rounds. Brandon McCarthy was a 17th round pick. I wonder how many had it planned that way?

Yes I have seen an MLB questionnaire!  They always ask that question and one should never say YES!!!!

Aiken was a first round draft choice who didnt think he got enough because he didnt do well on hisedical exam and did not attend Juco but post grad school.  And blew his arm out.  And this was an unusual circumstance. Bad example.

roothog66 posted:

I was just looking and, for one example, our small local JC has had 20 players drafted straight from the school since 1999. Of those 20, 19 were freshmen when drafted. Only 4 were taken in the first ten rounds. Brandon McCarthy was a 17th round pick. I wonder how many had it planned that way?

So how much do you think you get in those later rounds. Was that before or after the draft and follow. 

Draft is much different now.

TPM posted:

Yes I have seen an MLB questionnaire!  They always ask that question and one should never say YES!!!!

Aiken was a first round draft choice who didnt think he got enough because he didnt do well on hisedical exam and did not attend Juco but post grad school.  And blew his arm out.  And this was an unusual circumstance. Bad example.

Bad example of what? I'm not advocating for doing it, simply explaining that it is indeed done. By the way, it's a perfect example. He didn't like his offer (yes, based on the Astros' medical exam) and thought he could do better a year later. He attended IMG instead of JC after mulling over the options. You think that going JC due to a bad draft position is highly unusual?

Five of those were in the past two seasons and, to be clear, I'm not saying it's a good idea. It probably works out far less than it backfires. I'm just saying it's fairly common.

I asked a question in my first post.  How many players were drafted out of Juco last year?

Aiken did something none of our kids would or should do.

So here is the scenario. Player who commits to a good  4 year program hoping to get drafted doesn't.  He goes Juco, he gets hurt.  He may have just hurt his options for a 4 year opportunity and getting drafted. Now if he had no other option that's a given. Or poor grades. Or never got an offer from a 4 year program.  

If a player says he would go to a juco for a year he just gave up  draft  $$$$. One should never do that. Do you suppose Aiken put that down? What player turns down a first pick in the draft? Not one who really wants to play.  He 

Now that there is no draft and follow a player should always follow the path intended. Most players need 3-4 years in college to be drafted. Unless you are a Harper. That worked for him obviously but did not for Aiken.

It should not ever be an option hoping to get picked up in a year. Just ask the parents of players here if any of their boys got drafted out of Juco.

roothog66 posted:

I was just looking and, for one example, our small local JC has had 20 players drafted straight from the school since 1999. Of those 20, 19 were freshmen when drafted. Only 4 were taken in the first ten rounds. Brandon McCarthy was a 17th round pick. I wonder how many had it planned that way?

Last years draft had 102 JCers drafted.  34 of them were 1st yr JCs and 5 of them got six figure money within the first 10 rounds.  61 were 2 yr JC players and 8 of them got 6 figure money within the first 10 rounds.  The 2yr JCers tended to get better money than those who only had 1yr.  The remainder of the JCers drafter were 3 yr and they were chosen in later rounds with no money.

In the previous year's draft there were 129 JCers drafted.  33 were 1 year JCers with 5 of them getting 6 figure money in the first 10 rounds.  85 were 2yr JCers and 14 of them received 6 figure money withing the first 10 rounds.  11 were 3 yr JCers who got no money.

I would say it's quite probable that there are quite of few of them that plan that way.

Thanks for the info I had asked for. Roughly 1200 players were drafted, 102 of them from juco with 19 getting a decent signing bonus. Hmmmm.....

Getting back to the original question asked. Here is a question......What makes someone think they have a good chance of getting drafted in June when the draft is so far away?

Secure your options with as commitment to a 4 year program. If your son gets drafted, then you can help him decide.

TPM posted:

Thanks for the info I had asked for. Roughly 1200 players were drafted, 102 of them from juco with 19 getting a decent signing bonus. Hmmmm.....

Getting back to the original question asked. Here is a question......What makes someone think they have a good chance of getting drafted in June when the draft is so far away?

Secure your options with as commitment to a 4 year program. If your son gets drafted, then you can help him decide.

Hmmm???  Well, not everyone is "4 year program" material and this is often because there are issues regarding academics and/or financial resources.   And for one trying to asses their chances of getting drafted has a lot to do with one's confidence in themselves and what they hear from coaches, scouts, advisers, parents or others about what might work best in their particular case.

Of course, as I'm sure you know, not everyone's plans work out for the best. . . even with a commitment to a 4 year program.  

Truman posted:

TPM posted:

Thanks for the info I had asked for. Roughly 1200 players were drafted, 102 of them from juco with 19 getting a decent signing bonus. Hmmmm.....

Getting back to the original question asked. Here is a question......What makes someone think they have a good chance of getting drafted in June when the draft is so far away?

Secure your options with as commitment to a 4 year program. If your son gets drafted, then you can help him decide.

Hmmm???  Well, not everyone is "4 year program" material and this is often because there are issues regarding academics and/or financial resources.   And for one trying to asses their chances of getting drafted has a lot to do with one's confidence in themselves and what they hear from coaches, scouts, advisers, parents or others about what might work best in their particular case.

Of course, as I'm sure you know, not everyone's plans work out for the best. . . even with a commitment to a 4 year prI didn't see mention of that in the original question.

It was about getting drafted in a bad position the first time. And how many actually go because they want to be drafted 2 years not 3. I didn't see anything about the player not being a 4 year player.

Yes we all know it happens but the numbers prove it really isn't a very good plan for the majority. And I would say most will head off to the 4 year program they signed with.

I did ask why the question was raised 6 months before the draft.  The decision to turn down your 4 year commitment and attend juco because you didn't get drafted or more money you feel you deserved the first time isn't a very wise one, IMO.

Yes, I would say most will find it wise to choose to head off to a 4 year program. 

JC draft bonuses have been significantly lower as of late. MLB draft prioritizes toolsy HS kids and elite college JRs who come from power conferences, if we're talking about bonus money. Strength of schedule and quality of opposition is a real factor when it comes to the draft, especially lately. So not all JCs are the same. 

Always have special scenarios like the kid from Cal State Fullerton last yr,  I suspect Kyler Murray will wind up at JC as well after leaving A&M football team and was rumored to be a 1st round pick before taking himself out of the draft.