JUCO Question

My son's coach at the JUCO he just finished at saw a DVD of him last summer and called and offered on the spot. They are pretty good at detecting talent and potential by watching them on video. So no, it shouldn't worry you in the least bit.

And you are dead on about the level of competition being better at the D1 level in JUCO ball.

Are you saying the D1 JUCO would have 40 man roster in the spring? It is my understanding is the ones that have 40+ in the fall, make cuts to get to a 30 man spring roster. Pitching takes the biggest percentage of cuts.

Away from baseball, which school overall is most appealing to your son?

I think you would want to look at the conferences, and feedback on the schools. Look to see how many have gone on to 4 yr schools or drafted...depends on how much money as well, a lot of schools would only pay something towards tuition, which may not be too much of a difference in all.

An ex teammate of my son went down to a D2 Juco last fall, pitched lights out in fall and spring and has a lot of interest from D1 schools and some pro scouts. He went there because he would get lots of playing time, and it was a 2 hour ride for the family to watch. Could have gotten a bit more $ to go further, but liked the program, the coach and the campus. Lefty pitcher - add 4-5 mph and look out.

I think you have to look at the big picture here. Your son has to have a realistic approach when it comes to what he wants to do. Is he going to walk right in and play at the D1? There is NO Baseball program in the Nation that carries 40 players.

Where are the schools located? There are many D2 Teams that could pound some of the D1 Programs.

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Originally posted by NIC15:

There are many some D2 Teams that could pound some of the D1 Programs.

That's why there is a D1 level and a D2 level. Hello.

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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:

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Originally posted by NIC15:

There are many some D2 Teams that could pound some of the D1 Programs.

That's why there is a D1 level and a D2 level. Hello.

I repeat there aresome MANY D2 teams that could beat D1 Teams... But thank you for educating me as to why there is D1 and D2 Teams. I thought that all skill levels were the same at the collegiate level. I guess you learn something every day. Thanks Meat

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Originally posted by NIC15:

I thought that all skill levels were the same at the collegiate level. I guess you learn something every day.

You THOUGHT incorrectly my friend. If that were true then all levels of ball would be D1. There would be no rhyme or reason to have D2, D3, or NAIA ball. D2 JUCO ball is in its own right competitive but they would lose 9 out of every 10 times played against a D1 JUCO team.

D2 JUCO's hardly even exist in the S.E. part of the U.S. because D1 is so prevalent and competitive. D1 JUCO's outnumber D2's by almost a 2 to 1 margin (approx 186 D1's to 95 D2's) nationwide.

The D3 JUCO's have their own place in baseball but they also would fare very badly against D1 and D2 JUCO teams.

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Originally posted by YoungGunDad:

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Originally posted by NIC15:

I thought that all skill levels were the same at the collegiate level. I guess you learn something every day.

You THOUGHT incorrectly my friend. If that were true then all levels of ball would be D1. There would be no rhyme or reason to have D2, D3, or NAIA ball. D2 JUCO ball is in its own right competitive but they would lose 9 out of every 10 times played against a D1 JUCO team.

D2 JUCO's hardly even exist in the S.E. part of the U.S. because D1 is so prevalent and competitive. D1 JUCO's outnumber D2's by almost a 2 to 1 margin (approx 186 D1's to 95 D2's) nationwide.

The D3 JUCO's have their own place in baseball but they also would fare very badly against D1 and D2 JUCO teams.

I was being sarcastic.. And it is not because D1's are prevalent and competitive that there is not many D2's. It has to do with enrollment nembers and size of the colleges. Why do you think that California is not part of the NJCAA National Polls. California is it's own JUCO entity. That is because California is so big. And the talent level at D1 and D2 JUCOS depend on where you are located. The conference in which I coached had 3 Nationally ranked teams alone. And they smoked a few D1 Teams. I have seen D1 Programs in the Midwest simply get drilled by D2 Programs in the South, so location is a big factor as wel..

Well said NIC15!! I agree!!

Not sure how much the size of the school has to do with the division a team plays in. My son will be attending a Div 1 JUCO in September that has an enrollment of 700.
We also looked at a D1 JUCO in Florida that had an enrollment of 10,000.

There are obviously other factors involved.

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Originally posted by fillsfan:
Not sure how much the size of the school has to do with the division a team plays in. My son will be attending a Div 1 JUCO in September that has an enrollment of 700.
We also looked at a D1 JUCO in Florida that had an enrollment of 10,000.

There are obviously other factors involved.

The main factor determining in which division a college competes, are the size of the university and the number of sponsored sports, not the individual teams performance. So talent obviously is not part of the determining factor.

generally speaking i think many would agree that D1 is superior to D2 etc...in either njcaa, ncaa. There are always exceptions, and sometimes the difference isn't as much as thought. If you look at the results of spring games from some midwest jc's they play pretty well vs fla jc. You could argue its exhibition and the fla teams are experimenting, but a northern school that hasn't been outside can balance out the equation.
There was a pretty lively debate on another thread about JC D1 and ncaa D1 (florida jc vs ncaa D1). Some jc's fair well against ncaa in exhibition, same dynamics. I think some jc's have better talent on occaision, andsometimes the goal is different - pro aspirations etc.
On another occaision a jc in fla played an even up game vs the u of tampa jv in spring. some 1st and 2nd rounders go to jc instead of signing, or goinjg to d1 schools.
Main goal of any player should be to go where they can develop and play, everyone's circumstance are different. Hat's off to anyone who has a passion and ability to get to that level.

I was wrong about the roster size, they carry near 30. We went on his visit and were extremely impressed with the campus, coach and facilities. They offered some scholarship money and he signed his LOI with the D1.

That's good news to hear about your son. Congratulations! This is a great time for your son, and I hope he enjoys it.

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Main goal of any player should be to go where they can develop and play, everyone's circumstance are different. Hat's off to anyone who has a passion and ability to get to that level.

Very well said Liner. I agree 100% with you.

Thank you, it was a fantastic day for all of us. He has worked so hard, it was nice to see it all pay off. The coach rolled out the red carpet for him, he was very impressive, promised nothing as far as playing time, just an excellent opportunity to earn it. That is all you can ask for, they are rebuilding after a large majority of their roster is moving on to 4 year schools.

Sounds like your son is really going to benefit from this program, and the program will benefit from having your son as well. Again congratulations, and if you have any questions or need any help with anything feel free to let me know.

Congrats to your son! He won't be sorry for signing with a D1 JUCO!

(NIC on the left - YGD on the right) lol