Can someone explain to me how this Redshirt works in JUCO? I'm looking at rosters and more than half the kids says - redshirt.
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I'm guessing it's COVID-19 free year related. IIRC, Juco got a free pass on 2020 and 2021 not counting.
Who would want to stay a juco for more than 2 years!
@lucky4three posted:Who would want to stay a juco for more than 2 years!
Same people who want to repeat the 8th grade for no academic reason whatsoever?
My guess is that it's kids who can't find a 4 year school and figure playing Juco at age 21 or 22 is a way to buy some more time.
Santa Rosa JC of CA routinely redshirts players. It also routinely sends many of those off to 4 year schools, including P5, and the pros. This has been going on as long as I've followed the program.
It's been my experience (pre-covid) that no kid wants to be redshirted at any level, it's the coaches choice (so nothing like parents holding their kids back) . Could be for a number of reasons, but what I've seen in juco It's mostly injury, sometimes maturity - why burn a year of a kids 4 years of eligibility if he's not going to play? @adbono would be best to answer this.
I get it now! Thanks!
John;
SRJC is in a very strong California conference with Sac City, Delta, Modesto. Each team annually "red shirts" 10-15 players. They practice daily & travel to "away" games. To prepare for their opportunity next year.
The key word in Community College is "transfer" credits.
Bob
I've heard of a few kids lately at juco for 4 years....graduate in 2018 from hs, play 2019, covid 2020, 2021 didn't count. Then play 2022....
@JucoDad posted:It's been my experience (pre-covid) that no kid wants to be redshirted at any level, it's the coaches choice (so nothing like parents holding their kids back) . Could be for a number of reasons, but what I've seen in juco It's mostly injury, sometimes maturity - why burn a year of a kids 4 years of eligibility if he's not going to play? @adbono would be best to answer this.
I have never been a fan of redshirting at a JuCo. To me it only makes sense in the event of an injury or unusual circumstances. Of course this was before Covid and the (in some cases) two extra years of JuCo eligibility. Because of that almost all rosters have expanded and many coaches have opted to put a redshirt on some of the additional players. I’m not a fan of this but situations are so different from program to program I could see how it might make sense on a rare occasion.
There are JuCo coaches who have realized that expanded rosters lead to expanded problems. And they are reverting back to pre-Covid roster sizes and not over recruiting. Those are the programs to seek out.
But the R designation on a JuCo roster (at this point in time) is an indication of additional years of eligibility granted. Not an indication that the player actually took a redshirt year in the conventional way.
@edcoach posted:I've heard of a few kids lately at juco for 4 years....graduate in 2018 from hs, play 2019, covid 2020, 2021 didn't count. Then play 2022....
I'm aware of a 2017 HS grad that was playing juco this past season at age 23. I believe the story was
- 2018: redshirt at a D2
- 2019: transferred and played juco
- 2020, 2021: covid
- 2022: juco
That's crazy!
@edcoach posted:I've heard of a few kids lately at juco for 4 years....graduate in 2018 from hs, play 2019, covid 2020, 2021 didn't count. Then play 2022....
We also know a 2018 who played at one Juco in 2019, got shut out of 2020 and 2021 due to COVID-19, played 2022 at a different Juco and now is considered a college junior at age 22 with two years left of eligibility. Not sure what he's doing in 23 but last I heard he still wanted to play.
You can add in 2 years Military service or a Mission. The only question "can the player play" and "will he help my team to win".
Bob
Here is a good article that we collaborated with Keepplayingbaseball.org
https://keepplayingbaseball.or...f-the-juco-pipeline/
Simply it is about eligibility, we are in the process of reconciling the tags
'C' - Covid Redshirt
'R' - Redshirt -
The tag is based on what was the last redshirt event
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A friend of ours son graduated in 2018. Went D2 and transferred to a JUCO at Christmas break. Played Spring 2019 at JUCO (freshman), 2020 and 2021 at same JUCO, and Spring 2022 played at D2 as a 4th year sophomore. Will be 6th year if he plays thru his eligibility and graduates in 2024. Another kid my son played against was 2019 HS grad, went JUCO so 2020 season COVID, 2021 Season COVID, 2022 Season JUCO Freshman and will be at D2 this fall as "Sophomore" with 2023, 24 and 25 seasons potentially to play as a 6th year... The log jam will continue for a while with the JUCO COVID kids.
@FriarFred posted:A friend of ours son graduated in 2018. Went D2 and transferred to a JUCO at Christmas break. Played Spring 2019 at JUCO (freshman), 2020 and 2021 at same JUCO, and Spring 2022 played at D2 as a 4th year sophomore. Will be 6th year if he plays thru his eligibility and graduates in 2024. Another kid my son played against was 2019 HS grad, went JUCO so 2020 season COVID, 2021 Season COVID, 2022 Season JUCO Freshman and will be at D2 this fall as "Sophomore" with 2023, 24 and 25 seasons potentially to play as a 6th year... The log jam will continue for a while with the JUCO COVID kids.
Yep. We would flag him as a C-SO for the 2023 roster.
@FriarFred posted:A friend of ours son graduated in 2018. Went D2 and transferred to a JUCO at Christmas break. Played Spring 2019 at JUCO (freshman), 2020 and 2021 at same JUCO, and Spring 2022 played at D2 as a 4th year sophomore. Will be 6th year if he plays thru his eligibility and graduates in 2024. Another kid my son played against was 2019 HS grad, went JUCO so 2020 season COVID, 2021 Season COVID, 2022 Season JUCO Freshman and will be at D2 this fall as "Sophomore" with 2023, 24 and 25 seasons potentially to play as a 6th year... The log jam will continue for a while with the JUCO COVID kids.
Very similar to sons path -
2018 grad
2019 RS
2020 transfer to juco - Covid
2021 transfer to D2 freshman
2022 graduating sophomore
2023 and 2024 finish baseball eligibility and masters degree at same time
we know multiple players doing the same..
Can someone lay this out for me in laymans terms. Reading the NCAA rules makes my head spin.
Please explain non-covid related eligibility for a kid who goes JUCO and completes 2 years and gets his 2 year degree. Plays both years at Juco.
If he then goes to a 4 year school. What is left for eligibility at that 4 year NCAA school.
Broken out by DI, DII and DIII
I had someone ask me this and I couldn't be sure I answered it correctly.
Thank you
@HSDad22 posted:Can someone lay this out for me in laymans terms. Reading the NCAA rules makes my head spin.
Please explain non-covid related eligibility for a kid who goes JUCO and completes 2 years and gets his 2 year degree. Plays both years at Juco.
If he then goes to a 4 year school. What is left for eligibility at that 4 year NCAA school.
Broken out by DI, DII and DIII
I had someone ask me this and I couldn't be sure I answered it correctly.
Thank you
Depends on where said player was in 2020 and 2021.
Assuming he is starting school this August and then plays two years at a juco, transfers to a NCAA institution. He will have two years, or 3 if he redshirts at the NCAA program.
@PABaseball posted:Depends on where said player was in 2020 and 2021.
Assuming he is starting school this August and then plays two years at a juco, transfers to a NCAA institution. He will have two years, or 3 if he redshirts at the NCAA program.
That is simply logical, why it can't be stated like that in eligibility/transfer rules on the NCAA website I cannot imagine. Perhaps I was reading the wrong section. Wouldn't be the first time.
Thank you.
@HSDad22 posted:That is simply logical, why it can't be stated like that in eligibility/transfer rules on the NCAA website I cannot imagine. Perhaps I was reading the wrong section. Wouldn't be the first time.
Thank you.
JUCO for 2020 and 2021 didn't count towards eligibility. Free baseball