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Need some advice/experience....Here's the situation.

Kid was recruited to a JC school where he received med redshirt but earned 1 year worth of academic credits, then sat out a school year with operation. Now is playing JC for first real year and can graduate from JC in summer and hopes to get picked up by 4 year school.

Problems are: 1. Dilemma is the kid is unsure of NCAA eligibility? He's in 3rd year out of HS but considered a ist year player by NJCAA.

2. Kid can really play (first school was a full ride to a prominant Texas Juco (east coast kid) but now can only be seen when recruiting not happening at college level.

3. To compound problem he can't probably play summer ball due to need to go to school in summer to get 60 hours.

Advice????


Thanks, Mrmom
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According to several NCAA D1 coaches it's very difficult for a student/athlete to be eligible at a NCAA D1 after spending three years at a JUCO. Even if the athlete has a 4.00gpa most of them do not have enough hours that will transfer to the D1 school. My son had a 3.87 gpa after his 1st year at a JUCO but due to an injury he had to take a medical redshirt. He was told by every D1 school to leave after his 2nd year at the JUCO if he wanted to play at the D1 level. Most athletes that stay 3 years at a JUCO must transfer to a NAIA school.
If you haven't already done so talk to the JC counsler. My son's experience was that his JC counsler knew more about the NCAA transfer rules then most of the NCAA coaches. If you can't get a good answer from the counsler, ask the counsler to contact an athletic advisor he or she may know at a D1 school to get help. My son's JC counsler even talked to the NCAA to confirm her understanding of his unique situation. If his counsler won't do this, ask for another counsler. Its in the JCs best interest to help your son.
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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
The OP contains enough information to be sure that the player has 2 more years of calendar eligibility in D1. At the end of this spring he will have only used 1 season of competition, and has 3 more seasons of eligibility, but 3 of the 5 allowed calendar years since first full-time enrollment will have elapsed.

Two other factors are important:
1) Was he an academic qualifier when he graduated from high school?
2) During the 2008-2009 academic year, did he attend college full-time, part-time, or not at all?

If he was a qualifier, has a cumulative 2.0 GPA, and averaged 12 hours of transferrable credit per full-time term, then he doesn't need to graduate from the JC. Furthermore, if he met the requirements of the previous sentence, and did not attend college during 2008-2009, then he likely will meet the various academic progress requirements. (I'm not sure how this would play out if he attended the JC part-time.) If he wasn't a qualifer, then he needs to have graduated from the JC.

The rules are significantly less restrictive for D2, D3 and NAIA. The most important difference is that these divisions don't use the 5 year rule. Instead the player is allowed 10 full-time semesters (or 15 quarters) in which to use up the 4 seasons of competition. So the player still has 3 seasons of eligibility remaining, if he didn't attend full-time during 2008-2009. If he has a 2.0, and 12 transferrable hours per full-time term, he doesn't need to have graduated from the JC. He also will likely meet academic progress requirements, even if he attended part-time during 2008-2009. For example, in D2 "a student-athlete shall maintain progress toward a baccalaureate or equivalent degree at that institution as determined by the regulations of that institution."

Checking with a counselor is a very good idea, and it may be useful to email the NCAA with the exact particulars of this player's situation. If he is a qualifier, and baseball is important to him, it may be better to play summer ball.


3FD, If you don't mind I will ask you this in this post since you seem to have a good grasp of this particular rule, plus in another post of mine you mentioned the potential academic eligibility risks of attending a JUCO for 3 years, and then moving on to a 4 year college.

We are looking at all options, and the JUCO route seems to be one of them. The other is delaying a year before entering college. Basically it has come up because our son will graduate from HS at 17. PG has given him a 7 and Baseball Factory a Class 5 (Div 2). To me that basically means he is a marginal college prospect and might benefit from another year of physical development and training. Assuming he wants to continue to give his dream of playing college baseball a shot, his particular situations is this:

1) I assume he will be an academic qualifier since his GPA in core courses is over 3.4 and his SAT is 1200. He will graduate from HS with 22 core courses.

2) If rather than delay a year to enter college, he enters a JUCO on the basis that a JUCO may be the level he has the best shot at trying to walk-on and he doesn't generate any firm interest this summer (JC tryouts, summer team, college tournaments etc.). His other option is to delay a year before entering college, but his Mom and I are not too keen on that idea.

3) Assuming he is a full time student while at the JUCO and taking the 12 hours credit per semester, keeps making good grades, and eventually makes the JUCO baseball team (at his current or another JUCO) and ends up spending 3 years in JUCO, do you think it is likely that he would still be able to meet the academic eligibility rules at a D1(or D2,D3 etc)? Or is this way of looking at the situation too simplistic?

I believe I understand from your previous posts on the subject that he would still have his 2 seasons of playing eligibility remaining, so I guess my question is more about the academic eligibility aspect.

Thanks!
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Originally posted by mrmom:
Thanks for the good advice! My son was not a qualifier, did not attend college the second year. Looks like D2, D3 or NAIA may be his only avenues.


There is nothing wrong with D2,3, or an NAIA School, dont let it bother him. Yes D1 Baseball is very good competition, but I think some kids get caught up in the limelight of the whole D1 scenario. When realistically, unless someone is an impact player right away, they will either sit the bench, or red shirt, maybe play a little their soph. year, and play jr & sr year. Why not go to a program whether it be D2,3, or NAIA and get thrown in the fire right away.

Tell your son to keep plugging away and stay positive and he will be just fine

Good Luck!
New2This,
That's a pretty broad question, with a lot of possible permutations. but I'll try. See NCAA manuals bylaw 14.4 for Academic Progress, and 14.5 for transferring. NCAA Manuals NAIA

Attends JC for 3 years, plays baseball 2 years, then transfers to:
NAIA: 2.0GPA, 48 semester hours.
NCAA D3: In good standing at the JC, plus whatever the D3 school deems as acceptable academic progress.
NCAA D2: 2.0GPA. 12 transferable hours per full-time semester, 48 hours of general credit plus 24 hours toward a specific degree program. Also, if he were to skip a year afer high school and then enroll in a D2, he needs to be careful whom he plays or practices with. See 14.2.4.2 in the D2 Manual.
NCAA D1: 2.0GPA. 12 transferable hours per full-time semester, 60% of the credits required for a degree program.

This is just an overview; lots of additional rules apply.

Alert! unsolicited optinion:
I recommend identifying a 4 year school at which he can be reasonably sure of making the team-- probably a NAIA or D3 school--and attend school there from the beginning. He'll get a college degree in a reasonable time period and enjoy playing baseball.

Regarding JCs: Most have very large turnouts for baseball in the fall. It can be very difficult to stand out, so there is a lot of risk in trying baseball at a JC.
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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
Regarding JCs: Most have very large turnouts for baseball in the fall. It can be very difficult to stand out, so there is a lot of risk in trying baseball at a JC.


Agree with 3FG…depending upon the JC…fall JC tryouts can be a cattle call…particularly in CA….mine saw 70 players each fall…best to connect with the JC coach and at the very least be a recruited walk on…

Cool 44
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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
New2This,
That's a pretty broad question, with a lot of possible permutations. but I'll try. See NCAA manuals bylaw 14.4 for Academic Progress, and 14.5 for transferring. NCAA Manuals NAIA

Attends JC for 3 years, plays baseball 2 years, then transfers to:
NAIA: 2.0GPA, 48 semester hours.
NCAA D3: In good standing at the JC, plus whatever the D3 school deems as acceptable academic progress.
NCAA D2: 2.0GPA. 12 transferable hours per full-time semester, 48 hours of general credit plus 24 hours toward a specific degree program. Also, if he were to skip a year afer high school and then enroll in a D2, he needs to be careful whom he plays or practices with. See 14.2.4.2 in the D2 Manual.
NCAA D1: 2.0GPA. 12 transferable hours per full-time semester, 60% of the credits required for a degree program.

This is just an overview; lots of additional rules apply.

Alert! unsolicited optinion:
I recommend identifying a 4 year school at which he can be reasonably sure of making the team-- probably a NAIA or D3 school--and attend school there from the beginning. He'll get a college degree in a reasonable time period and enjoy playing baseball.

Regarding JCs: Most have very large turnouts for baseball in the fall. It can be very difficult to stand out, so there is a lot of risk in trying baseball at a JC.
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3FG, for us you have been one of the most helpful posters on this site and have always been willing to give sincere and thoughtful comments and advice.

Fortunately the way things have played out is son was recruited and signed with a JUCO, so I guess he has earned a right to compete. The rest is up to him. Thanks for your comments and insight.

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