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Does anyone know about the USAAA 16U Junior Olympic Tournament in Jupiter Florida. They have a 72 team tourney June 22-30. At the end they pick 32 kids form there and 32 from a similar tournament in Arizona, then have them play and then they pick a team to play in a Pan American Tournament for the USA Junior Olympics. Theyy say there are scouts, etc.

I apprecialte any info about it. If your kid is planning to play or if you had a kid play in the past.

Thanks in avance for your help.
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We had a team that played in the USA Baseball Junior Olympics in Tucson, Arizona in 2001 and 2002.

Very competitive teams.

Yes, they select players from both sites, i.e., Arizona and Florida who work out together for a weeks or so and then the USA Baseball Youth National Team is selected.

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Had a son that played in the older version, i.e., the USA Baseball Junior National Team in 1990.

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Happy to talk with you. john petrulis 815-469-4520.
Unfortunately USA Baseball is not keeping its web site up to date. And that's been going on so long that it's really inexcusable now. Otherwise you would have all the answers at your fingertips.

Anyway, the JO's are a great tournament. I wouldn't take just any team there, or you could get your brains beat out. At Jupiter, most of the teams are FL-based, but teams do come from all over the country. You will have to have been born on or after May 1, 1990 to participate this year.

18 (not 32) players are selected from Jupiter, and another 18 from the AZ JO's, to form the finalists for USA Baseball's Youth National Team. They go to a week of workouts and scrimmages, from which 18 are cut and 18 make the final team for the world championship tourney each year.

But note, international competition's age eligibility is different from US rules, and to be eligible for this year's YNT you will have to have been born on or after January 1, 1991. So beware, lots of players go to JO's and find they are actually too old for YNT consideration. This can happen this year if you were born between May 1, 1990 and December 31, 1990.
Both of my sons have played in this tournament. My older son played in Arizona about 10 years ago and my younger son played last year as a 15 year old in Jupiter, Florida.
Very heavily scouted event!! For the 16U age group this is a must attend event. We will be there again this year... What specific questions do you have?
My son's team played at the AZ venue last year. If any scouts were there, then the 115 degree heat kept them in their hotel rooms. His team even received coverage and write-ups in USA Baseball's daily game recaps on their website, but not a scout to be found at the games.

How does USA baseball scout an event with so many players at two different venues thousands of miles apart? They have a system that they will tell you about that includes their pre-tournament showcase. However IMO most of their research has probably been done up front, and their lists are together before the first pitch is even thrown. Therefore, pretty much they are looking for freaky talent and unless your son has it, forget about the Youth National Team hype. It is a super long shot.

I've chased my kid all over the country watching him play travel ball. IMO, go to FL, it is a better place to travel for baseball. First, IMO, in general, there are more better teams in the southeast than in the west. And secondly, you'll be able to roll it up with a better vacation, i.e. BEACHES!
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Tuzi, sorry, on this one you're dead wrong.

Several players I know were SHOCKED AND STUNNED when they were plucked out of the pack as finalists. No pre-tourney showcases, no pre-tourney hype. Performance on the field did it.

I can tell you that the first time my son got picked, it came as an absolute surprise and we were speechless, which for me is highly unusual.

Here's the process:

Team coaches are asked before the tourney to nominate those of their players whom they feel should be checked out. So word to the wise, it may be your own coach who's selling you down the river. Esp. if he's a "daddy ball" guy. We were fortunate that this was not the case for us.

There is a Friday workout for 60 times and such, and you can get noticed that way. Guys who run a 6.5 can bet they'll get watched, for example. But if they go oh-fer the tourney afterwards, they can forget it. You still have to produce in the games.

Games start on Saturday, and USA Baseball convenes their scouts daily to talk about who they've noticed and who stands out in the scorebooks -- hot bats, tough pitchers, catchers with strong arms. By Tuesday, they have a "watch list" of about 50 players at each site. Wed-Fri, they pretty much are focusing down on those guys. Also they are on the phone with the other JO's site's team, because if they have 4 catchers at one site and 4 at the other, something's got to give; or if they have none at one site, then someone "on the bubble" at the other may get the call.

Sure, there are some known studs coming in who make it. But after all, they are studs. Every year though, they pluck a group of unknowns out of the masses and if you look at how those kids fare down the road, it's hard to argue with their picks. They have an uncanny knack for finding the guys who end up near the top of the PG and BA lists, even before PG and BA may have known about them.

But then, PG has its guys at the JO's, too! And they help USA Baseball with the scouting. So a kid can help himself in more than one way by going to JO's and having a good week.
Midlo Dad, thank you for your perspective. I know the PG guys were there, and of course USA Baseball as well; they are part of the process. When I hear "heavily scouted" I interpret it to mean college and pro guys. Personally, I didn't see any of that in AZ last year. But, why would they be scouting a 15U event anyways? Sorry for the confusion. I think you have re-affirmed the rest of my position that it is a long shot to make the YNT. And no bitter feelings here. I will share with you though that my son is batting 1.000 against last years YNT MVP, Ryan Weber; 1-1 w/ a double. Big Grin
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One more thing to add, having worked with a few guys who have coached and/or scouted at these tournaments. Each field has a scorekeeper/scout. This guy watches one field all day. They keep track of the guys in the previously mentioned meeting, along with the few guys that jump out to them. They will then get on the walkie talkies and get the needed scouts to that field when a certain kid comes up to bat or pitcher is on the mound, etc. The system sounds like it's a science, but it's pretty much common sense if you really think about it.
Your son did well to double off Weber. Our team saw him and only got one single in the entire game! Not a hard thrower, but the pitch that moves in looks the same as the pitch that moves out ... until it's too late.

He had a no-hitter and another win in the gold medal game in Venezuela, so obviously that's a hit you can remember with pride.
My son is the wrong age. He falls between the 5-1-90 where you can play in the tournament and the 1-1-91 date. So he could play, but not make the JO team.

It sounds like a great experience, but $700.00 to play on the team. Then add transportation and 10 days of hotels, and it is a lot of money.

I appreciate the input from the board.

No one mentioned the facilities, which look great.
bball...If your son is a competitive player and his is a competitive team, you'll find out right away.

We were in Arizona for 2 years...went to get some experience as 15 year olds and then were very competitive as 16 year olds.

Played against Matt Bush, the national #1 draft choice, overall, in the 2004 Major League Baseball amateur draft, when he played with the San Diego Gamers. Get a chance to play against some of the best high school talent in California, Arizona and Texas.

Play on manicured spring training fields of major league clubs.

Worth the money.

If you smoke or drink, or both, you easily spend that much a year for stuff that poisons you.

Spend it on your son!
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My son was actually a YNT finalist twice, at ages 15 and 16, but failed to make the final cut both times. When he was 15, he was topping out at 89, but when he got to trials he was simply not ready for the caliber of hitter he saw there. His location and off-speed stuff weren't at their level. When he was 16, he hit 93 in Jupiter, and his command and off-speed stuff were much improved. But then he had a foot injury that threw him off his preparation schedule, he had a bad outing at trials, and that was all she wrote.

So, to answer the question about pitchers' mph, let's put it this way. High mph gets you noticed. But it isn't the only way to get noticed. And it isn't enough to get you all the way there.

There were two 90+ guys at trials last summer. Both were cut from the final squad. Neither one really had a good week at trials, my son included. The competition was keen and he had one bad outing, one good outing -- not good enough.

It is tougher to get noticed when your max speed is below, say, 86-87 mph. But not impossible. Weber was 81-83 in the game where he snuffed our team but good. But USA Baseball watched every pitch and learned what he had that makes him special.

What I would say is that if you are not a high mph guy, it can be tougher to stand out in a crowd. But the record shows that those who have something else special can and will get noticed. When you're facing a team that's known to be tough and you are putting them down inning after inning, somebody will take note.

On the other hand, high mph alone might get you to trials, but not necessarily all the way to the YNT roster. I guess you can't make the team if you don't make the trials, so high mph is a big plus. But you still have to get elite batters out to make it. And trust me, you will see some of the nation's best young hitters. The trials are probably tougher competition than the tourney itself!

I think also that last year's YNT coaches intentionally de-emphasized mph in favor of "feel for pitching". Given the way they stomped on everyone, including Cuba, to win the gold, you can't argue with their approach. And it's yet another reminder that we often place too much emphasis on high mph.

It can be a gift, but it isn't enough to succeed, and it isn't the only way to succeed, either.

My advice: If you really want to stand out at JO's as a pitcher, ask your coach to start you against your team's toughest opponent. If he does, the rest is up to you. If he doesn't, then maybe he's telling you that he doesn't think you're at that level. In the end, if you don't have your own coach's support, you're pretty much out of the running.

P.S.

The mph numbers above are MAX numbers, meaning the highest fastball registered during the tourney. Typical speeds are going to run 2-4 mph lower. Don't confuse the two.
A few Questions that I have for you experienced posters. If you are "lucky" enough to be one of the 36 chosen will you go straight to Arizona for the final cuts? Is transportation & lodging paid for? If so for just the player? I assume if a player makes the team (final 18) his entire summer is filled ? I guess the players won't see home for 2 monthes ? When are the Worlds and the commitment overwith? Just wondering as I know it is a LONGSHOT. Thanks in advance.

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