http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/2841230
Guy played his heart out on the field, just didn't know how to give up Cocaine.
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WOW!
Very, very sad indeed.
Caminiti was a warrior - one of those guys who'd run through a wall to help his team win. Cocaine and 'roids did him in...excellent bad example to all young kids about how substance abuse can ruin even the greatest of athletes.
P.S. The diving play he made a few years back where he threw the guy out at 1st from his rear is still a Sportscenter top 10 in my book!
P.S. The diving play he made a few years back where he threw the guy out at 1st from his rear is still a Sportscenter top 10 in my book!
Don't take steroids.......
Caminiti was a local guy out of San Jose City and State College. I played against him in HS football. He was a punishing DB/RB also. A shame he could never control his demons.
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Originally posted by BlueDog:
Don't take steroids.......
Best advice you have ever given.
He was a great player.
Such a solid player and team guy and seemed to be such a nice man. Watched him many times stay after games and sign autographs and talk to the fans.
It only again points out the horrors of drug use.
It only again points out the horrors of drug use.
That is one of the saddest stories I have ever heard. Just goes to show you how powerful addictions can be. Can you imagine what could have been?
Addiction is a horrible thing. Here is a young man who made about 37 million and should now be playing golf and enjoying the next 40 years.
Perhaps this might be another wake up call for MLB and the youth of today. If so perhaps he did not die in vain.
God Bless Ken,
PS What an arm!
God Bless Ken,
PS What an arm!
I used it as an opportunity to talk to my 16 year old about steroids and drugs. Like you said SBK, if it stops even one young athlete from using them, his death was not in vain. The pressure on these boys to be bigger and stronger is pretty intense, even in high school.
Preliminary results of the autopsy performed on Ken Caminiti show that the former National League MVP died of a drug overdose, a New York City police source told ESPN's Jeremy Schaap. Caminiti, 41, reportedly collapsed in a Bronx apartment on Sunday and was pronounced dead at Lincoln Hospital. His agent, Rick Licht, said at the time Caminiti died of a heart attack. The medical examiner's office performed the autopsy on Monday, but a spokesperson for the medical examiner said Thursday that no official cause of death would be announced until the completion of a toxicology report, which could take up to 10 days.
Caminiti battled drug and alcohol problems during his 15-year major-league career. In May 2002, he told Sports Illustrated he used steroids during his career. On Tuesday, Newsday (N.Y.) reported that Caminiti was "depressed" and "edgy," and wanted to talk about "life, love and everything," during the last half day of his life, according to Rob Silva, a 35-year-old ex-con from Brooklyn, who had met Caminiti about a year and a half ago.
Caminiti battled drug and alcohol problems during his 15-year major-league career. In May 2002, he told Sports Illustrated he used steroids during his career. On Tuesday, Newsday (N.Y.) reported that Caminiti was "depressed" and "edgy," and wanted to talk about "life, love and everything," during the last half day of his life, according to Rob Silva, a 35-year-old ex-con from Brooklyn, who had met Caminiti about a year and a half ago.
Dealing with very high expectations and the stress that it brings is dealt with very differently amongst athletes.
There has been a history in the game of baseball and other sports where players have succumbed to overindulgence to stimulants and depressants.
With some having to deal with the very intense modulations between the adrenaline highs which the body can only sustain for a short time, causes some players to seek supplementals to maintain that "feeling" of being on top.
It is something that the leagues have not dealt with very effectively. They have not come to understand the associative relationship between the players "game" psyche and the post-game need to maintain the "game" psyche which leads to abusive drug use (including alcoholism) and the psychological dependence they find in what the drugs provide to supplement that requirement.
Here is where education again comes to play a key role in the instruction for the players in how to deal with this dichotomy. With proper counseling I think a lot of what is happening in professional sports and college sports can be avoided once this associative relationship between the "adrenaline rush" is understood in relationship to the players "id" and his feelings about his self-image.
It is an aspect of the "game" that is poorly understood for the underlying reason for abusive drug use. Even Ken Caminiti's desire to excel at all cost by using "roids" is a symptom of this relationship between the "id" and feelings of inadequacy which replaces the "adrenaline rush" of the "game".
Unless the aspect of the "game" is understood in the relationship to players "id" or the "ego" and their feelings that they achieve during the "adrenaline rush" and its affect on the self-image of the player which is experienced during the "adrenaline rush" no rules, nor sanctions, nor punitive measures are ever going to stop the use of drugs in sports.
To think otherwise is just wishful thinking.
There has been a history in the game of baseball and other sports where players have succumbed to overindulgence to stimulants and depressants.
With some having to deal with the very intense modulations between the adrenaline highs which the body can only sustain for a short time, causes some players to seek supplementals to maintain that "feeling" of being on top.
It is something that the leagues have not dealt with very effectively. They have not come to understand the associative relationship between the players "game" psyche and the post-game need to maintain the "game" psyche which leads to abusive drug use (including alcoholism) and the psychological dependence they find in what the drugs provide to supplement that requirement.
Here is where education again comes to play a key role in the instruction for the players in how to deal with this dichotomy. With proper counseling I think a lot of what is happening in professional sports and college sports can be avoided once this associative relationship between the "adrenaline rush" is understood in relationship to the players "id" and his feelings about his self-image.
It is an aspect of the "game" that is poorly understood for the underlying reason for abusive drug use. Even Ken Caminiti's desire to excel at all cost by using "roids" is a symptom of this relationship between the "id" and feelings of inadequacy which replaces the "adrenaline rush" of the "game".
Unless the aspect of the "game" is understood in the relationship to players "id" or the "ego" and their feelings that they achieve during the "adrenaline rush" and its affect on the self-image of the player which is experienced during the "adrenaline rush" no rules, nor sanctions, nor punitive measures are ever going to stop the use of drugs in sports.
To think otherwise is just wishful thinking.
bs...
He died of a drug overdose. A 41 year old man.
Make no excuses.
I have profound sorrow for his family.
He died of a drug overdose. A 41 year old man.
Make no excuses.
I have profound sorrow for his family.
Pic: There is a lot of validity in your post.
I think PIC has presented some very valid reasons, not "excuses". And what is the point if he was 41.
Being "grown" does not shield you from the factors that lead to these tragedies nor the human frailties that underlie them; and, neither those factors nor his "status" in life provide a basis for his being judged with such dismissal. From black and white "judgment" others will never learn from what befell this man.
Having had the opportunity to meet Ken Caminiti and witness his most kind nature, this is a horrific and sad situation. IMO both he AND his family are deserving of sympathy.
Being "grown" does not shield you from the factors that lead to these tragedies nor the human frailties that underlie them; and, neither those factors nor his "status" in life provide a basis for his being judged with such dismissal. From black and white "judgment" others will never learn from what befell this man.
Having had the opportunity to meet Ken Caminiti and witness his most kind nature, this is a horrific and sad situation. IMO both he AND his family are deserving of sympathy.
Hey Batter - Well said.
[QUOTE]...It is an aspect of the "game" that is poorly understood...QUOTE]
Totally disagree.
Totally disagree.
It's always someone elses fault right PIC?
FOLKS
I know the area of the Bronx where he was found--it is "drug heaven" and the hospital named is right in that area
Think about-- he is one of how many players--yes it is a shame but he was not typical of baseball players--the same happens to lawyers and doctors and blue collar workers as well
I know the area of the Bronx where he was found--it is "drug heaven" and the hospital named is right in that area
Think about-- he is one of how many players--yes it is a shame but he was not typical of baseball players--the same happens to lawyers and doctors and blue collar workers as well