Kicked Ball

Sounds a little like HTBT.
However, that being said, it sounds to me like the ump kicked it.

No, the umpire got it right but for the wrong reason. The BR collided with the pitcher so it's interference and the batter is out. It sounds like the pitcher's momentum carried him into the base path so he is in the act of fielding. Now if he fields it, and then runs to the BR and collides, loosing the ball then it's nothing. He is trying to tag the BR and lost the ball, kicking a dropped ball is nothing unless intentional.

The pitcher had the ball for two steps prior to running into BR. What determines when the act of fielding ends? Also, what is the protocol for getting together to discuss a rules interpretation question? Being U2 in this situation, I didn't offer anything because U1 made his call and didn't ask. Should the non ruling umpire call a discussion if he thinks a rule is being botched?

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Originally posted by Kumi:
The pitcher had the ball for two steps prior to running into BR. What determines when the act of fielding ends? Also, what is the protocol for getting together to discuss a rules interpretation question? Being U2 in this situation, I didn't offer anything because U1 made his call and didn't ask. Should the non ruling umpire call a discussion if he thinks a rule is being botched?

First, judgment determines when the act ends. Was F1 trying to tag the runner or did he collide immediately after fielding it? Sounds like he did it immediately, thus, the call was correct but wrong reason as Michael said.

Second, the protocol is for U2 to stand there and if there were any previous signals worked out, then give it. But, only if someone questions it. Otherwise, leave it alone. Why bother now? If a protest is announced, then huddle to make sure the ruling is correct if determinable. But, there is only 1 umpire who can call for a huddle and that is the calling umpire IMO. UIC may be the other one but the rules in OBR are pretty specific about non-calling umpires not to criticize or overturn a call. So, give the signal and if someone questions it, he will know to huddle but not until someone questions it.

That is my .02 on it.

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Originally posted by Kumi:
FED, no runners, one out. Swinging bunt down the first base line. Pitcher runs over and fields the ball and his momentum carries him into the B/R and they collide. F1 drops the ball and the B/R kicks it as he resumes running to first. The B/R did not attempt to dislodge the ball (F1 ran into him) nor did he kick the ball intentionally. U1 kills it and calls B/R out for kicking the ball in fair territory. No one argued so we played on. Was the ball the only thing that got kicked?

Umpire Kicked!!! and this is based on the above... it is really a "must see" situation...

if the pitcher is coming off the mound to field the ball and has the ball for 2 steps and his momentum takes him into the B/R, I am sure at this point he is trying to make a play on the B/R at the same time... (again gotta really see it) and collides with the B/R and drops the ball I have Nothing...it is a baseball play collisions happen... then the B/R kicks the ball unintentionally I again have Nothing!!!....come on people... 2 running steps is A LOT (with the ball) running towards the B/R... and don't give me the argument on what a catch is it does not apply here...

OK again it is really a play you have to see to determine the outcome

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:

Umpire Kicked!!! and this is based on the above... it is really a "must see" situation...

.come on people... 2 running steps is A LOT (with the ball) running towards the B/R... and don't give me the argument on what a catch is it does not apply here...

OK again it is really a play you have to see to determine the outcome

2 steps isn't that big a deal. F1 picks the ball up and trips over his own feet. It may take 2 steps to regain balance.

F1 picks the ball up and takes 1 step beyond the ball but the ball is on the ground still. Then, as he is coming up to throw to 1B, he takes another step.

Both may and the second should draw an INT call. It depends upon how you envision the 2 steps. If he has control of the ball and is standing up, then 2 steps will be a lot. But, if they come as he is trying to stand up, 2 steps is not a lot.

The guy who was there says the pitcher had the ball for two steps. Reading that he came off the mound picked up the ball moving toward the line and moved two steps after gaining control of the ball. BR did not intentionally knock the ball out and did not intentionally kick it then the right call is nothing play ball.

He also did the right thing by keeping quiet about it after the play went down.

Pitcher was running hard and bent over to scoop up the ball and hadn't regained control of himself enough to stop prior to hitting the BR. TX-Ump addressed where I was going with it, is it the same as a running catch in the OF and I'm hearing it's not. And I'm also getting not to initiate a conference if I disagree with my partner's rule interpretation.

It isn't the same as a catch. The umpire has to determine if the act of fielding the ball is complete. Complete judgment.

And, I don't agree with a non-calling umpire trying to initiate a conference. Regardless of what it is. The calling umpire has to initiate the conference IMO.

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And I'm also getting not to initiate a conference if I disagree with my partner's rule interpretation.

I'll disagree with this, kinda.
Should have been the first thing you discussed post game, while it's fresh in your memories.

Sounds like he didn't feel the initial contact was anything, or time would been called right then. Did he wait until after the kick to react?

So did the batter runner just run through the ball, a kick doesn't necessarily mean a well executed
"one touch" like in futbol.

Woulda been good to talk about:

You: Why'd you call that guy out when the loose ball hit him?
Pard: Cause he veered 2' right into it I had a great angle on it, no way he shoulda touched that.
OR forbid;
Pard: Oh, he can't be touched by his own fair batted ball.

I'd had some questions/comments,"post game".

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:

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Originally posted by Kumi:
FED, no runners, one out. Swinging bunt down the first base line. Pitcher runs over and fields the ball and his momentum carries him into the B/R and they collide. F1 drops the ball and the B/R kicks it as he resumes running to first. The B/R did not attempt to dislodge the ball (F1 ran into him) nor did he kick the ball intentionally. U1 kills it and calls B/R out for kicking the ball in fair territory. No one argued so we played on. Was the ball the only thing that got kicked?

Umpire Kicked!!! and this is based on the above... it is really a "must see" situation...

if the pitcher is coming off the mound to field the ball and has the ball for 2 steps and his momentum takes him into the B/R, I am sure at this point he is trying to make a play on the B/R at the same time... (again gotta really see it) and collides with the B/R and drops the ball I have Nothing...it is a baseball play collisions happen... then the B/R kicks the ball unintentionally I again have Nothing!!!....come on people... 2 running steps is A LOT (with the ball) running towards the B/R... and don't give me the argument on what a catch is it does not apply here...

OK again it is really a play you have to see to determine the outcome

Tx, I agree that the definition of a catch has nothing to do with it. The umpire has to determine if the two steps was part of the fielding attempt, if so then interference. If he determines he had it and was attempting a tag then it's nothing.
If you had read my pevious post then I had already explained that.
Sometimes we just have to umpire.