limom84.....who are you to say who should be on or off varsity?
Anyone that would base where a kid should be playing solely on their size without ever seeing the kid play is quite frankly an ******! When someone makes a statement like that there can be no doubt about their intelligence on a this subject or anyother related subject can there? Nuff Said about this lets let this one die please!
The thing is, varsity one place isn't the same as varsity another place. Around here, a freshman won't make the varsity team - period. Very few sophomores do - fewer than one per team on average in our league. A very, very good, muscular player who's 5'6 or so can play varsity. 5"2", 110 pounds? That's just not realistic - around here. But I've seen varsity teams from smaller schools, less "baseball intense" areas, where I could see a 5'2" freshman playing varsity. It's a mistake to project from your own local experience what's realistic, or reasonable, etc. in other areas.
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Don't you know who I am? I'm limom84. I picked Coach May's 2 college recruits. I know quite a bit about baseball, and it just ticks off the "oldtimers." My son is a 6' RHP and he's too "lil" for that position, a true 6', not 5'10". You just have to accept what the standards are for today's positions. I am sure there will be some exceptions, but as a general rule, smaller players will be passed over, except where I live, here in Munchkinland.
Question-Is 4444 what you yell on the 1st 4 holes of your golf game?
Don't you know who I am? I'm limom84. I picked Coach May's 2 college recruits. I know quite a bit about baseball, and it just ticks off the "oldtimers." My son is a 6' RHP and he's too "lil" for that position, a true 6', not 5'10". You just have to accept what the standards are for today's positions. I am sure there will be some exceptions, but as a general rule, smaller players will be passed over, except where I live, here in Munchkinland.
Question-Is 4444 what you yell on the 1st 4 holes of your golf game?
limom,
Sometimes it seems like two different personality types post under your same name. However, that line about 4444 was hillarious. LOL.
Sometimes it seems like two different personality types post under your same name. However, that line about 4444 was hillarious. LOL.
Okay, all you negative people who think that you can't learn anything here, let's summarize what you have learned from this thread:
1. Smaller players can indeed play at the college level, as Coach May's 2 top players are under 5'10".
2. In some areas of the country, talent level might allow underclassmen to play on the varsity, while in other areas, it's a rarity.
3. Some people need to work on their golf game.
4. I may have 2 different personalities.
5. Someone pointed out here that 1/4 or 25% of the Clemson roster is under 6'. To me, that means that 3/4 or 75% of the roster is over 6'.
Expanding on this, if there were 1,000 ballplayers, only 250 would be under 6'. But, if you look at most HS rosters, the majority of HS players are under 6' which gives them a much more difficult task of playing at the next level.
6. If more oldtimers stop responding to my threads, then there may be no one left.
7. If my son's HS team played some of their bigger players, they might score more than 3 runs a game and have a winning record.
1. Smaller players can indeed play at the college level, as Coach May's 2 top players are under 5'10".
2. In some areas of the country, talent level might allow underclassmen to play on the varsity, while in other areas, it's a rarity.
3. Some people need to work on their golf game.
4. I may have 2 different personalities.
5. Someone pointed out here that 1/4 or 25% of the Clemson roster is under 6'. To me, that means that 3/4 or 75% of the roster is over 6'.
Expanding on this, if there were 1,000 ballplayers, only 250 would be under 6'. But, if you look at most HS rosters, the majority of HS players are under 6' which gives them a much more difficult task of playing at the next level.
6. If more oldtimers stop responding to my threads, then there may be no one left.
7. If my son's HS team played some of their bigger players, they might score more than 3 runs a game and have a winning record.
You know.....I always thought Limom was a man.....and now.....after reading this thread....there is no doubt....absolutely convinced....Limom is indeed a man....who posts as a woman....and we are suppose to give his opinions validity? The long and short of it is that Limom is a guy....hiding behind skirts....
Again, I was not trying to make this about my son. The comments made by this person were absolutely not the right thing to say about someone elses children. If she has a problem then she should address her coach, not come on here and complain about it.
Is the real problem that the smaller boys are playing ahead of her very fast 6' son. Her saying that a certain size player could not possibly play varsity is like me saying that her son should not be able to play varsity, because he could not even make a travel team on the first try. Both statements are stupid! You do not have all the facts.
If I am evaluating a shortstop I want to see how he fields a groung ball. How hard and accurate his throws are from shortstop to first base. How much range does he have, how is his footwork? After that, if I am evaluating him for the varsity I want to see him hit, etc.....
If we have players much better than him, then obviously he would not play.
If one of the more respectable "old timers" would like to mediate this, I would be more that happy to compare my sons showcase information and travel ball background with her sons. I would also like very much to know where her husband played D1 ball.
Now, limom, put up or shut up! I've called my son "Lil" since the day he was born. I do not use that name for your amusement. I would never attack anything about your child, so lets get out the letters of recommendation, and showcase statistics and settle this once and for all.
And, finally, P-Dog, I assure you that I am fully aware that my son would not be starting on the varsity at just any school. That is exactly why I said we were a 2A school in Indiana, as a point of reference. "Baseball People" I'm sure understood what I was saying.....
Is the real problem that the smaller boys are playing ahead of her very fast 6' son. Her saying that a certain size player could not possibly play varsity is like me saying that her son should not be able to play varsity, because he could not even make a travel team on the first try. Both statements are stupid! You do not have all the facts.
If I am evaluating a shortstop I want to see how he fields a groung ball. How hard and accurate his throws are from shortstop to first base. How much range does he have, how is his footwork? After that, if I am evaluating him for the varsity I want to see him hit, etc.....
If we have players much better than him, then obviously he would not play.
If one of the more respectable "old timers" would like to mediate this, I would be more that happy to compare my sons showcase information and travel ball background with her sons. I would also like very much to know where her husband played D1 ball.
Now, limom, put up or shut up! I've called my son "Lil" since the day he was born. I do not use that name for your amusement. I would never attack anything about your child, so lets get out the letters of recommendation, and showcase statistics and settle this once and for all.
And, finally, P-Dog, I assure you that I am fully aware that my son would not be starting on the varsity at just any school. That is exactly why I said we were a 2A school in Indiana, as a point of reference. "Baseball People" I'm sure understood what I was saying.....
Okay,"Lil", let's have a showcase-off. We can even do it at College Select and let TRHit evaluate our sons. That's how confident I am about my son. Of course, we'll start with the 60 yd. dash, or should we measure them in first? Then, we'll field our respective positions, and take some batting practice. But I really don't think it would be a fair competition, since my son is a junior, and stronger and bigger than your freshman son.
As for my husband, he's a has-been, that was a long time ago, although he did receive scholarship offers to St. Francis College, New York Tech and Wagner and was asked to walk on to JMU. But that was in 1979. There were many other colleges that had interest, but he decided he just wanted to play locally.
This is not an attack on your son, since I do not know who he is. I mean really, I don't even know who YOU are. YOU brought up his height and weight and touted him as being some great player. It is impossible to believe that a 110 lb. kid would ever start on the varsity here on Long Island. But you said that he is only a freshman, very small for a varsity player, even smaller than all the "lil" people on our team.
Let me ask you this. How does he get his hits? Does he ever hit one over the outfielder's head? Is he fast?
As for our travel baseball club, even if my son was the last pick for our team of 18, it would rank him as one of the top 50 to 60 players on Long Island. My son also made the other top Long Island travel team. You can find out the names of the top teams by checking one of my earlier posts, since I see you have been reading up on me.
But I really think that this is a joke being played on me, that is, your son really doesn't play on the varsity, because a player that size can't even hit the ball out of the infield.
Although I do remember reading about a MLB general manager who once pulled a stunt and sent a "lil" person to the plate in order to get a walk. Anyone else recall this?
You know, it always bothers me when I watch youth ball and the leadoff batter is tiny with the goal for him to reach base on a walk. I always felt that they were taking the bat out of an athlete's hands.
As for my husband, he's a has-been, that was a long time ago, although he did receive scholarship offers to St. Francis College, New York Tech and Wagner and was asked to walk on to JMU. But that was in 1979. There were many other colleges that had interest, but he decided he just wanted to play locally.
This is not an attack on your son, since I do not know who he is. I mean really, I don't even know who YOU are. YOU brought up his height and weight and touted him as being some great player. It is impossible to believe that a 110 lb. kid would ever start on the varsity here on Long Island. But you said that he is only a freshman, very small for a varsity player, even smaller than all the "lil" people on our team.
Let me ask you this. How does he get his hits? Does he ever hit one over the outfielder's head? Is he fast?
As for our travel baseball club, even if my son was the last pick for our team of 18, it would rank him as one of the top 50 to 60 players on Long Island. My son also made the other top Long Island travel team. You can find out the names of the top teams by checking one of my earlier posts, since I see you have been reading up on me.
But I really think that this is a joke being played on me, that is, your son really doesn't play on the varsity, because a player that size can't even hit the ball out of the infield.
Although I do remember reading about a MLB general manager who once pulled a stunt and sent a "lil" person to the plate in order to get a walk. Anyone else recall this?
You know, it always bothers me when I watch youth ball and the leadoff batter is tiny with the goal for him to reach base on a walk. I always felt that they were taking the bat out of an athlete's hands.
limom84 ...
I hope that your son has NOT been told that he is not tall enough at 6'0" to be effective at the next level. It does seem that the right handed guys need to have something other than genetics going for them to be successful, but that isn't necessarily the whole truth.
First off, quite a few of the 6 footers in high school, even seniors, still have some growing to do over the next couple of years. Our son was 6' as a junior, 6' 1/2" as a senior and now tops off at 6'2" as an adult.
Secondly, as with many high schoolers who had not peaked over the 6' mark, he was told by several "knowledgeable" people that he would not be able to pitch at the college level. Fortunately, the college coach that recruited him didn't see it that way and he was pretty successful in college.
Thirdly, because "genetics" aren't on his side ... he isn't 6'6", he doesn't throw from the left side, and he doesn't throw 95 mph ... he was one of those guys who had to focus on being a finesse/control pitcher. He admires the MLB pitchers who aren't giants and don't throw 96 mph and aspires to be one of those one days.
Sure, he wasn't drafted in the first 3 rounds or offered a multi-million dollar signing bonus, but there always seems to be a good outcome for him when things aren't always "perfect" and he is right where he should be and doing what he needs to do and loving what he does.
So don't let anybody tell your son that he can't live his dream of pitching at the next level. It is a reality for many who were in his same position.
quote:My son is a 6' RHP and he's too "lil" for that position, a true 6', not 5'10".
I hope that your son has NOT been told that he is not tall enough at 6'0" to be effective at the next level. It does seem that the right handed guys need to have something other than genetics going for them to be successful, but that isn't necessarily the whole truth.
First off, quite a few of the 6 footers in high school, even seniors, still have some growing to do over the next couple of years. Our son was 6' as a junior, 6' 1/2" as a senior and now tops off at 6'2" as an adult.
Secondly, as with many high schoolers who had not peaked over the 6' mark, he was told by several "knowledgeable" people that he would not be able to pitch at the college level. Fortunately, the college coach that recruited him didn't see it that way and he was pretty successful in college.
Thirdly, because "genetics" aren't on his side ... he isn't 6'6", he doesn't throw from the left side, and he doesn't throw 95 mph ... he was one of those guys who had to focus on being a finesse/control pitcher. He admires the MLB pitchers who aren't giants and don't throw 96 mph and aspires to be one of those one days.
Sure, he wasn't drafted in the first 3 rounds or offered a multi-million dollar signing bonus, but there always seems to be a good outcome for him when things aren't always "perfect" and he is right where he should be and doing what he needs to do and loving what he does.
So don't let anybody tell your son that he can't live his dream of pitching at the next level. It is a reality for many who were in his same position.
Lil Man's Dad - I understood you. I was trying to suggest to LiMom that her (?) generalizations might be true in some circumstances but not others.
By the way, this story might be of interest to your son:
By the way, this story might be of interest to your son:
quote:When Royce Fukuroku steps in to hit, he resembles a bat boy more than a batter. Even with his pants generously rolled under, they nearly hang to his heels and catch on his cleats.
At 5-foot-3, San Francisco's senior second baseman is one of the shortest players in Division I.
Fukuroku got slighted by Sports Illustrated, but he doesn't care. In the April 18 edition, the magazine reported about players believed to be college baseball's shortest and tallest — and Fukuroku was left out. Louisville sophomore shortstop Chris Cates is also 5-3, while Notre Dame pitcher Ryan Doherty is 7-1. There were photos of those two.
Fukuroku hit a go-ahead RBI single in a 9-3 win over Sacramento State on Tuesday for USF's fourth straight victory. Heading into a three-game weekend series against Loyola Marymount, he was batting .350 with 15 RBIs, and his five homers were tied for the team lead. Fukuroku also had seven steals in eight attempts and had been hit by a pitch a team-high nine times.
"I expected to be taller than what I am, but not much taller," he said. "I was always the smallest guy on my team. You had to be faster and quicker and you had to get stronger. Height wasn't going to be my ticket anywhere."
Despite his tiny but muscular frame — he weighs 150 pounds — Fukuroku decided at a young age he would be a college baseball player.
Speaking of short--think about "Pudge" Rodriguez on Tigers
His is 5-8 at best
We had a young man with us last summer, also 5-8/5-9 Angel Salome out of George Washington HS. After one year in the Brewers change he is rated as their best defensive catcher.
It is all about tools folks not height !!! You got the tools and the heart your size becomes non consequential
LIMOM, as for your son attending one of our events I seem to recall that your son WOULD NEVER attend one of our events-- if you so desire fill out a nomination form on our website and we will see if he qualifies.
I also don't know why you wouldwant your son involved in an event run by an "old timer" since you seem to despise them so much !!!!
Also please stop assumimg that we always learn something from your posts-- it is possible that we learn nothing
His is 5-8 at best
We had a young man with us last summer, also 5-8/5-9 Angel Salome out of George Washington HS. After one year in the Brewers change he is rated as their best defensive catcher.
It is all about tools folks not height !!! You got the tools and the heart your size becomes non consequential
LIMOM, as for your son attending one of our events I seem to recall that your son WOULD NEVER attend one of our events-- if you so desire fill out a nomination form on our website and we will see if he qualifies.
I also don't know why you wouldwant your son involved in an event run by an "old timer" since you seem to despise them so much !!!!
Also please stop assumimg that we always learn something from your posts-- it is possible that we learn nothing
Thanks tr for bringing me to the top again. Maybe I'll see you May 12 at St. John's. After all, we're both alumni...
P.S. You would like my son if he EVER attended one of your events. I just know it...
P.S. You would like my son if he EVER attended one of your events. I just know it...
limom
I like all ball players---
I won't be at SJU on May 12--sorry
No problem in bringing you to the top--
I like all ball players---
I won't be at SJU on May 12--sorry
No problem in bringing you to the top--
P-Dog, thanks for the information. I received several calls from friends about that article. We even came home to find someone had left a copy of it on the porch one evening. Haven't figured out who did that yet....
I'm done with this issue here, however as I said, I would be happy to forward my sons name to TRhit or someone like that so he can read the reports on him etc....
I'm done with this issue here, however as I said, I would be happy to forward my sons name to TRhit or someone like that so he can read the reports on him etc....
Lil Mans Dad
Anytime-- it would be my pleasure-- you know where to find me
Anytime-- it would be my pleasure-- you know where to find me
Had the pleasure to catch the Central Florida / Florida Atlantic game Friday nite on the UCF campus-- fantastic facility by the way
Shorstops and second sackers at 5 ft 9 inches and both teams have a load of wins-- 36 for UCF and 25 for FAU
I guess the "little guys" can play Division I ball
Shorstops and second sackers at 5 ft 9 inches and both teams have a load of wins-- 36 for UCF and 25 for FAU
I guess the "little guys" can play Division I ball
How tall is Furcal for the Braves? Who wouldn't like to have him on their team right now?
TR, I sent you a message at your email address.