What a bunch of ****
What a bunch of ****
What a bunch of ****
quote:Originally posted by itsinthegame:
What a bunch of ****
Want to explain that one? Why not contribute to the discussion instead of trying to ruin it?
quote:but there is considerable disdain for one another
Distain maybe, but there is competitive respect between the two. That same competitive respect is not there as you move down RPI list. I might be wrong and Clemson might respect the Mid-majors as much as a top 20 team, and sitting on the moral highchair, but I wouldn't bank on it. It's not the competitive nature.
I guess that you do know best!
You tell me I am on a team that is
"supposed to lose" - and I am going to go out of my way to make your experience a bad one.
Nature of the game.
That type of arrogance will get you a cleat in your thigh - or a fast ball in your *** - regardless of the final score.
"Supposed to Lose"?
You have to be kidding me - it is either parental pride gone whacky - or you have never been on the field.
Either way - you get a cleat with that attitude.
"supposed to lose" - and I am going to go out of my way to make your experience a bad one.
Nature of the game.
That type of arrogance will get you a cleat in your thigh - or a fast ball in your *** - regardless of the final score.
"Supposed to Lose"?
You have to be kidding me - it is either parental pride gone whacky - or you have never been on the field.
Either way - you get a cleat with that attitude.
TPM, who Me? I think I said.......quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
I guess that you do know best!
I don't think this is something to argue about. I respect your opinion but I just don't agree with it. In general all I'm saying is that not respecting an opponent is a negative aspect of the competitive athletes mindset, it's part of being competitive and the higher you are on the food chain the more opportunity you have to not have that respect. I've been in competitive situations my whole life and the closer I was to the top the less competitive respect I had for the guys on the bottom. Shame on me!quote:I might be wrong and Clemson might respect the Mid-majors as much as a top 20 team...
iitg,
I didn't mean it as disrespectful, did you follow the whole conversation?
My response was to rz that according to what I think he was saying is that these mid major level teams are not expected to win to the bigger teams that "look down upon them". I am trying to say the opposite. That's not how I perceive the situation. There is much respect for the smaller teams that can come in and beat you any day of the week (I said that earlier, if you read it, in defense of those programs).
It was your interpretation.
I didn't mean it as disrespectful, did you follow the whole conversation?
My response was to rz that according to what I think he was saying is that these mid major level teams are not expected to win to the bigger teams that "look down upon them". I am trying to say the opposite. That's not how I perceive the situation. There is much respect for the smaller teams that can come in and beat you any day of the week (I said that earlier, if you read it, in defense of those programs).
It was your interpretation.
TPM,
You are right. My apologies.
You are right. My apologies.
TPM,
This is silly!
#1 - I don't know "best", never have, never will. Just ask the three I live with now
#2 - I was confused, you were giving props to Oregon State's Mitch Canham who said....
I will go to my grave when I say that the top teams do not always respect the mid-majors the same as those in their "elite" status. That is one reason why they are upset at times, they look beyond those teams.
That's the only point I was making.
rz out
This is silly!
#1 - I don't know "best", never have, never will. Just ask the three I live with now
#2 - I was confused, you were giving props to Oregon State's Mitch Canham who said....
Then you turn around and say that the elite teams, specifically Clemson respects everyone the same. Which one is it?quote:..... His comments to us were, that they had come together so successfully as a team, they were not given respect they deserved and that with their experience, desire to prove they could be champions it was accomplished.
I will go to my grave when I say that the top teams do not always respect the mid-majors the same as those in their "elite" status. That is one reason why they are upset at times, they look beyond those teams.
That's the only point I was making.
rz out
quote: By TPM
..... His comments to us were, that they had come together so successfully as a team, they were not given respect they deserved and that with their experience, desire to prove they could be champions it was accomplished.
For clarification, I didn't mean because they were a mid D1, because they are not, obviously. They were the only returning team, they felt they deserved more of a welcome, better accomodations. They had to hop on our courtesy bus because their hotel didn't provide one, no one expected them to win, things like that. Those little things that mattered to them, which may not have mattered to anyone else. I am not sure if they worked harder for it, everyone worked hard, it was just a matter that experience makes a big difference and along with that comes leadership from past experience. Most teams there had no players that had been there previously. I do beleive that is what made them the champions.
Sorry for that confusion.
Quote by rz,
"While the "big-boys " main concern is looking over their shoulder, wallowing in their hype, and in many cases looking down on those below. You might call that attitude snobish, but it is there. That was my only point in that talent will win over chemestry."
It's about perception and opinions, the above is yours. That is neither my perception or my opinion.
..... His comments to us were, that they had come together so successfully as a team, they were not given respect they deserved and that with their experience, desire to prove they could be champions it was accomplished.
For clarification, I didn't mean because they were a mid D1, because they are not, obviously. They were the only returning team, they felt they deserved more of a welcome, better accomodations. They had to hop on our courtesy bus because their hotel didn't provide one, no one expected them to win, things like that. Those little things that mattered to them, which may not have mattered to anyone else. I am not sure if they worked harder for it, everyone worked hard, it was just a matter that experience makes a big difference and along with that comes leadership from past experience. Most teams there had no players that had been there previously. I do beleive that is what made them the champions.
Sorry for that confusion.
Quote by rz,
"While the "big-boys " main concern is looking over their shoulder, wallowing in their hype, and in many cases looking down on those below. You might call that attitude snobish, but it is there. That was my only point in that talent will win over chemestry."
It's about perception and opinions, the above is yours. That is neither my perception or my opinion.
quote:I didn't mean because they were a mid D1, because they are not, obviously.
Obviously
Another instance is called "playing down" to your competition and you hear coaches talk of it constantly. "Playing down" can also be looked at as lacking respect for them.
TPM, I do respect you though.
Man,..not only am I taking notes and trying to follow this opinionated thread but I need a highlighter,..perhaps multiple ones in different colors!
Its been a good read for this newbie,...I appreciate and respect those of you have been there, are there, and even those of you who just have an outside opinion. Its made me sit back and think. Good stuff!!
Its been a good read for this newbie,...I appreciate and respect those of you have been there, are there, and even those of you who just have an outside opinion. Its made me sit back and think. Good stuff!!
Meanwhile, back to leadership. Here are some interesting quotes regarding leadership:
Peter F. Drucker
Leadership is not magnetic personality—that can just as well be a glib tongue. It is not "making friends and influencing people"—that is flattery. Leadership is lifting a person's vision to higher sights, the raising of a person's performance to a higher standard, the building of a personality beyond its normal limitations.
Chinese proverb
An army of a thousand is easy to find, but, ah, how difficult to find a general.
Donald H. McGannon
Leadership is action, not position.
James L. Fisher
The main characteristics of effective leadership are intelligence, integrity or loyalty, mystique, humor, discipline, courage, self sufficiency and confidence.
Peter Ferdinand Drucker
Effective leadership is not about making speeches or being liked; leadership is defined by results not attributes.
Unknown
A good leader inspires others with confidence in him; a great leader inspires them with confidence in themselves.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
A good leader can't get too far ahead of his followers.
Tacitus
Forethought and prudence are the proper qualities of a leader.
Tom Landry
Leadership is getting someone to do what they don't want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve.
Max DePree
Leadership is much more an art, a belief, a condition of the heart, than a set of things to do. The visible signs of artful leadership are expressed, ultimately, in its practice.
Warren Bennis
Good leaders make people feel that they're at the very heart of things, not at the periphery. Everyone feels that he or she makes a difference to the success of the organization. When that happens people feel centered and that gives their work meaning.
John F. Kennedy
Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
James L. Fisher
Leadership is the special quality which enables people to stand up and pull the rest of us over the horizon.
Manual on military leadership
Good leaders develop through a never-ending process of self-study, education, training, and experience.
Talleyrand
I am more afraid of an army of 100 sheep led by a lion than an army of 100 lions led by a sheep.
Walter Lippmann
The final test of a leader is that he leaves behind him in other men the conviction and the will to carry on.
Charles S. Lauer
Leaders don't force people to follow—they invite them on a journey.
Knute Rockne - Professional Football Coach
I have to get the most energy out of a man and have discovered that it cannot be done if he hates another man. Hate blocks his energy and he isn't up to par until he eliminates it and develops a friendly feeling...(towards all his teammates.)
John Maxwell
The first step to leadership is servanthood.
Max DePree (The Art of Leadership)
The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality.
Peter F. Drucker
Leadership is not magnetic personality—that can just as well be a glib tongue. It is not "making friends and influencing people"—that is flattery. Leadership is lifting a person's vision to higher sights, the raising of a person's performance to a higher standard, the building of a personality beyond its normal limitations.
Chinese proverb
An army of a thousand is easy to find, but, ah, how difficult to find a general.
Donald H. McGannon
Leadership is action, not position.
James L. Fisher
The main characteristics of effective leadership are intelligence, integrity or loyalty, mystique, humor, discipline, courage, self sufficiency and confidence.
Peter Ferdinand Drucker
Effective leadership is not about making speeches or being liked; leadership is defined by results not attributes.
Unknown
A good leader inspires others with confidence in him; a great leader inspires them with confidence in themselves.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
A good leader can't get too far ahead of his followers.
Tacitus
Forethought and prudence are the proper qualities of a leader.
Tom Landry
Leadership is getting someone to do what they don't want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve.
Max DePree
Leadership is much more an art, a belief, a condition of the heart, than a set of things to do. The visible signs of artful leadership are expressed, ultimately, in its practice.
Warren Bennis
Good leaders make people feel that they're at the very heart of things, not at the periphery. Everyone feels that he or she makes a difference to the success of the organization. When that happens people feel centered and that gives their work meaning.
John F. Kennedy
Leadership and learning are indispensable to each other.
James L. Fisher
Leadership is the special quality which enables people to stand up and pull the rest of us over the horizon.
Manual on military leadership
Good leaders develop through a never-ending process of self-study, education, training, and experience.
Talleyrand
I am more afraid of an army of 100 sheep led by a lion than an army of 100 lions led by a sheep.
Walter Lippmann
The final test of a leader is that he leaves behind him in other men the conviction and the will to carry on.
Charles S. Lauer
Leaders don't force people to follow—they invite them on a journey.
Knute Rockne - Professional Football Coach
I have to get the most energy out of a man and have discovered that it cannot be done if he hates another man. Hate blocks his energy and he isn't up to par until he eliminates it and develops a friendly feeling...(towards all his teammates.)
John Maxwell
The first step to leadership is servanthood.
Max DePree (The Art of Leadership)
The first responsibility of a leader is to define reality.
Perfect! 