live ball?

I say legal. It is a special ground rule. No objections, let it go. This would be no different than playing the ball off of the dugout or is it a "dead" ball if it goes onto the concrete area.

I hate it b/c it puts more on the umpire to watch for but I have no problem if they don't.

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Originally posted by thecloser:
Had a home HC ask at the plate meeting, if we would allow the player to take one step into dead ball area to make a catch, then return into live ball area to make a throw, keeping the ball alive. He said it has been allowed every game this year so far. The visiting HC had no objections.
Legal/Ilegal?

Legal. The ball does not become dead unless the fielder steps into DBT with both feet.

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Originally posted by dash_riprock:

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Originally posted by thecloser:
Had a home HC ask at the plate meeting, if we would allow the player to take one step into dead ball area to make a catch, then return into live ball area to make a throw, keeping the ball alive. He said it has been allowed every game this year so far. The visiting HC had no objections.
Legal/Ilegal?

Legal. The ball does not become dead unless the fielder steps into DBT with both feet.

Yes, legal by rule.

Now, then, if you are asking if a HC can create a ground rule that is contrary to a book rule...not in a game I'm working.

Ground rules are not intended to modify book rules, rather they are meant to cover things no covered bythe book. That's why there are so d@mn few of them at the MLB level. There are more in youth ball because coaches and most umpire don't realize what they are meant for.

I find it interesting that an umpire, who at times calls things arbitrarily himself, will not allow a change to a ground rule if both coaches agree to it prior to game

Gotta love " not in a game I am working"-- no wonder you guys have coaches who have problems with you.

Many times ourselves and the opposing coaches will agree to do things with the batting order and substitutions to get more players in---the umps never have a problem as long as they know what we are doing

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I find it interesting that an umpire, who at times calls things arbitrarily himself, will not allow a change to a ground rule if both coaches agree to it prior to game

Gotta love " not in a game I am working"-- no wonder you guys have coaches who have problems with you.

Many times ourselves and the opposing coaches will agree to do things with the batting order and substitutions to get more players in---the umps never have a problem as long as they know what we are doing

If the ground rule is contrary to the rules, it cannot be allowed. It doesn't matter what the coaches want to do. It's not us. It is the rules the coaches agreed to play under.

The lineup and substitution is not the same thing. And, if the umpire is responsible for noting changes, then that won't be allowed to be changed.

Nothing arbritrary about it. It has to be within the rules. If coaches have an issue, who cares. That is their problem. They still have to play according to the rules. They don't like us b/c we make them play in a manner they don't want to: According to the rules.

I, for some weird reason,thought the game was for the kids not the BLUE TZARS---you guys continue to amaze me

One guy states we decided to call the rules our way and now you say the rules are rules---if the coaches agree what the hell do you care--it is for the kids, RIGHT!!!!

Your ID says it all MR UMPIRE---I don't know any coaches who go by MR COACH

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I find it interesting that an umpire, who at times calls things arbitrarily himself, will not allow a change to a ground rule if both coaches agree to it prior to game

Gotta love " not in a game I am working"-- no wonder you guys have coaches who have problems with you.

Many times ourselves and the opposing coaches will agree to do things with the batting order and substitutions to get more players in---the umps never have a problem as long as they know what we are doing

Ah, once again you decide all umpires are the same. Okay, name a coach who has a problem with me. You obviously know everything about every umpire..c'mon, name one.

Make up your mind TWit, do you want the came called by the rules or don't you? By rule, a ground rule may NOT over rule a book rule. You don't like that? Tell me what other rules you don't want enforced in your games.

I finally figured you out. You b!tch when an umpire doesn't enforce a rule. You b!tch when an umpire does enforce a rule. You just like to b!tch.

"Not in games I work" is not a boast, it is a statement that I follow the rules. As a coach, mentor and one who sets the example for his players, I had assumed you followed the rules too..."in game you coached." I regret that I seem to be mistaken.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
I, for some weird reason,thought the game was for the kids not the BLUE TZARS---you guys continue to amaze me

One guy states we decided to call the rules our way and now you say the rules are rules---if the coaches agree what the hell do you care--it is for the kids, RIGHT!!!!

Your ID says it all MR UMPIRE---I don't know any coaches who go by MR COACH

It is so funny to me how an anonymous user name bothers people. I guess that is one reason why I keep using it when possible.

And, the game was created by and designed for adults. Kids were an aftermath. Research it. You'll see.

Quite frankly, I am not out there "for the kids". I am out there to umpire the game regardless of who the participants are. Any changes which are contrary to the rules are not allowed regardless of who agrees to it. Such as, a batted ball bouncing over the fence is NOT going to be counted as a homerun regardless if the coaches agree to it.

If the league allows CBO and the coaches agree, fine. But, if the league doesn't and I know baseball rules don't, then no CBO. Plain and simple, no.

TR:
Ground rules are for special things like what part of the dugout is live, where dead ball lines are on fields with no fences and other unusual spots on a field. What you can't do is say that if a ball rolls X ft it is a triple.