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OK, lockdown boredom... spending some time plotting out potential down-the-road retirement moves.  The Carolina's and Northern Georgia seem to be good targets.  Mild winter climates (I know, summer humidity is most everywhere not in the southwest), affordable living, good people, nice landscape, abundant college sports, golf, outdoor sports, good BBQ, can escape to the coast, et.  But, I haven't spent enough time there.

Looking for any more detailed feedback comparing those states against each other and about that region overall and know that many of you here in the HSBBW community live in the region.  

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Texas no state taxes, warn weather, tons of sports, very friendly people, kinda cheap homes, Golf, beer, bbq, it’s a slice of heaven did I say loads of sports. It gets hot but we’re used to it. I will add if I had the funds I am looking at Florida for the beaches. Landscape if mostly flat but some areas offer coastal and hills. You have to live here to appreciate it. Either you love it or hate it. No in between 

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Texas no state taxes, warn weather, tons of sports, very friendly people, kinda cheap homes, Golf, beer, bbq, it’s a slice of heaven did I say loads of sports. It gets hot but we’re used to it. I will add if I had the funds I am looking at Florida for the beaches. Landscape if mostly flat but some areas offer coastal and hills. You have to live here to appreciate it. Either you love it or hate it. No in between 

Thanks NY, Texas is actually the other most likely landing spot (behind staying where we're at) because of what you list and that daughter is most likely to end up there.  But, i didn't want to get too "shotgun" with the post. 

@cabbagedad posted:

Thanks NY, Texas is actually the other most likely landing spot (behind staying where we're at) because of what you list and that daughter is most likely to end up there.  But, i didn't want to get too "shotgun" with the post. 

We're still a good 10 years off, at least, but I'm thinking of the "half back" route.  I like the combo of weather, seasons, but still being closer to North East.  Raleigh area, Charleston, Davidson...all considerations.  I've had family in Florida forever, and even as it's gotten younger over the years (specifically Delray Beach) I still have a hard time seeing myself living there year round.  Love the beach vibe, but I'm not sure I could handle Summers and Florida is just...unique. As for Texas, I do like Austin but suspect more to visit.  And prices there have no gotten a bit out of hand.  Have heard Ft. Worth is up and coming, but I would literally not know a soul there.  

 Oh, man, if you could access my wife's Trulia history, you'd see hundreds if not thousands of "forever homes" she's checked out in the states you mentioned, plus VA, MD, DE (no taxes), CT, NY, NJ, PA, MA, ME, NH, RI, OR, NM, AZ, & CA, not to mention offshore locations. 

No TX as of yet, but we do like Austin and San Antonio.

Depending on your interests and tolerance for winter weather, NH has no sales tax, no income tax.  Ocean beaches, mountains, terrific lakes, lots of outdoor recreation.  Close to Boston in the southern third of the state.  Sports scene, not so much, unless you go to Boston for pro sports.  Manchester has the AA affiliate of the Blue Jays, there is good summer collegiate (NECBL and Futures) but that's about it.  Probably more expensive than many other areas mentioned too.

@NY posted:

Texas no state taxes, warn weather, tons of sports, very friendly people, kinda cheap homes, Golf, beer, bbq, it’s a slice of heaven did I say loads of sports. It gets hot but we’re used to it. I will add if I had the funds I am looking at Florida for the beaches. Landscape if mostly flat but some areas offer coastal and hills. You have to live here to appreciate it. Either you love it or hate it. No in between 

I'm im Rockport & love it! Lots of fishig, arts, Golf Carts & flip flops... & survived Harvey! Pop about 9000.  34m to Corpus Christi. Lots of us "retirees" dow here. 3 Hr to Housto, SA or Mexico.. (sorry, letter after m quit workig o laptop)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSyUMpySQqs

https://www.rockport-fulton.org/

 

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I'm im Rockport & love it! Lots of fishig, arts, Golf Carts & flip flops... & survived Harvey! Pop about 9000.  34m to Corpus Christi. Lots of us "retirees" dow here. 3 Hr to Housto, SA or Mexico.. (sorry, letter after m quit workig o laptop)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YribTUnlQg0

https://www.rockport-fulton.org/

 

Are you on a Windows machine?  Windows key + CTRL + O brings up a virtual keyboard.

Cabbage,

If you are thinking SC there are some serious tax issues for second homes.   I've seen where you live, and not sure why on God's green earth you'd want to leave...it is gorgeous there!.   I have a handful of friends who have recently bought primary residences in Wilmington (NC),Hilton Head (SC), Savannah (GA), Charleston area (SC) and haven't looked back.  Each of them is in a different stage of life (55-65), and moved there for different reasons.  My wife and I have also been playing the "what if" game, and we would be looking at these same areas in 5-10 years plus some others.  Florida is an absolute non-starter for my wife but I might be able to convince her on northern Florida (Ameilia Island area) for the right situation.

Cabbagedad - Was scoping the same stuff out in December.  A lot of people at my company are based in Atlanta and most have homes in South Carolina on lakes or near Charleston.   Below is a list that a guy gave me for South Carolina areas to look.  We will retire south too (we are CT) and are looking NC, SC, not Florida.  Thought about South East GA too but Teaching Elder above just made that a no.....

Sullivan’s island (his top pick)
Savanna - it’s 15 years behind Charleston.  Culture , restaurants ect
DeWees to Georgetown and all in between
McClellenville
Buford +
Awendaw +

I see myself in and around Charleston.  Notice Kiawah missing.  I love visiting Kiawah and could see living there too but more likely another island near Charleston.  I am thinking 6.5 years for us, yes specific but for a reason.  I do love Texas for many reasons but can't see ending up there.

Lots of people are moving to Charlotte, NC. I have a lot of friends who have moved there to follow their kids.

To live on the SE coastline is very expensive due to insurance.  Florida has some great beaches. I love where I live but I also love the west coast of Fl. Tampa/ ST Pete area is one of my favorite. 

@cabbagedad posted:

OK, lockdown boredom... spending some time plotting out potential down-the-road retirement moves.  The Carolina's and Northern Georgia seem to be good targets.  Mild winter climates (I know, summer humidity is most everywhere not in the southwest), affordable living, good people, nice landscape, abundant college sports, golf, outdoor sports, good BBQ, can escape to the coast, et.  But, I haven't spent enough time there.

Looking for any more detailed feedback comparing those states against each other and about that region overall and know that many of you here in the HSBBW community live in the region.  

I'd add Virginia to the mix except we do have personal property taxes on vehicles and boats.   Other than that real estate taxes are reasonable so long as you stay away from northern Virginia.   Lots of history here (Revolutionary War and Civil War) especially around Fredericksburg (home to 4 Civil War battlefields, George Washington's Mothers home and his early home (Ferry Farm)) and Richmond.

There's decent golf courses in the Williamsburg area and Richmond.  Plenty of college sports - UVA, Tech, Old Dominion to name a few.  Plenty of spots to go fishing - fresh and saltwater.

Personally, I'd stay away from the I-95 corridor - traffic there has been notoriously heavy (even on weekends) for years and until the virus was getting worse.

Definitely forget about north of Virginia - MD, PA, NY, NJ have much higher taxes.  

@TPM posted:

Lots of people are moving to Charlotte, NC. I have a lot of friends who have moved there to follow their kids.

To live on the SE coastline is very expensive due to insurance.  Florida has some great beaches. I love where I live but I also love the west coast of Fl. Tampa/ ST Pete area is one of my favorite. 

I second TPM’s mention of the Tampa Bay Area. I grew up there and have lived all over the state. Pinellas County is easily my favorite. However, it can be a little crowded. If that’s not your thing you can go a few minutes south into Manatee County which is the home of Anna Maia Island. 

Wow, great feedback so far... OK, to answer some questions...

Bob, Sedona looks great but housing is almost as expensive as here on Calif. Central Coast.  With no significant gain on house equity, we'd probably stay where we're at.

9and7, I grew up in snowbelt of NE Ohio but have been spoiled far too long in California.  Love everything you said about NH but cold winter tolerance is non-existent and two homes probably won't be our path. 

BBmom, I'll take a closer look!  that region is a possible landing spot for our daughter. 

Hshuler, I have some family in North Ga. and that is part of the draw to the region.  I was thinking NC might be a little less stifling in the summer but not really sure.  I don't picture Georgia lakes as really clean and good for swimming, boating, etc., but I really don't know.  We checked out doing a big family reunion on a lake there one year and ended up not doing it because the lake water level was so low and it looked pretty brown.  Would love to hear more.

SBD and TE, yeah, that is a concern... we've also been spoiled with no summer bugs and no humidity so we'd need to spend some time there that time of year to recall just how bad.  

Fenway, we do LOVE it where we are.  Some of the incentive would be that if we could find another area we would love as well, the exchange on home value would put us in a more comfortable retirement situation and sooner if we wanted.  Also, the aforementioned family in N. Ga. and we have been here on the west coast for a very long time and up for a new adventure and seeing more of the other side of the country.  So, sounds like you are saying all four of those cities have proven to be winners?

Gunnar, thanks for the list!  Any specifics as to why they may be preferable would be welcome additional info.

HShuler, some of our must haves/ nice to haves...  affordable housing, favorable weather, good friendly people, good scenery, safe small-town feel and access to plenty of activities are our musts.  We love being around the water, whether it be lake, ocean or river, but want it to be usable (clean to swim, boat, kayak, etc.), not brown or stagnant.  Would love to hear more detail about usable lakes in the region.  We hike, golf, play tennis, bike, go to ball games, college sports, day trips exploring, canoe/kayak, etc.  Wouldn't mind getting back into a bit of fishing.  While we like small-town feel, we would want to be within an hour or so of a hub so that we could travel to family not within driving distance and other vacation travel.  There are a wide range of fits, anywhere from some acreage with a couple horses to a lake house to a smaller house in a nice suburban neighborhood to a beach house/condo near the ocean.  We like mountains and trees as well as ocean.  Not so much on plain flat land.  My wife hasn't seen much of that region and I think she'd really enjoy it.  We are used to plenty of sunshine and blue skies but do miss an occasional T-storm.  Immediate family is big but we still don't know where our three adult kids will ultimately end up... and at least two will likely move around for a bit so can't really factor that in.  Two of my sisters and most of their kids live in suburbs of Atlanta and it would be nice to be within drivable distance as well as a bit closer to my many other siblings that live in Ohio, where winters would be too cold and grey for our liking.  

Foxdad, you hit a lot of interests and son has really enjoyed the people in Virginia... just don't want to creep too far north.  Southern would be a possibility I suppose.

 TPM and Senna, I could totally do FL and some friends in Tampa area but my wife has a perception of too hot, too flat and no seasonality, whether right or wrong.  

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I lived in NH for 50yrs until about 5 years ago when we moved to Charlotte - one child playing baseball at Belmont Abbey and one going to law school in Chapel Hill (2 1/2 hr drive)... A 3rd son lived in Dallas. From CLT to DFW - not difficult to find flights to visit the Dallas, but from BOS it was more challenging... Something he also concurred with as he spent a year going back and forth between BOS and DFW (he was still in school, his gf got a Teach for america position there). A couple years the happy couple moved to Boston mainly for work, but also because Dallas just wasn't as appealing to them.

We love Charlotte - still being a *solid* 3.5-4 hours from the ocean makes summer hard. Between Charlotte and Wilmington - there's not much in the way of larger cities - there is a Hamlet, NC though ;-). My wife has "concerns" about creepy crawly things in lakes. There's lots of activities there like you mention. Two of the boys have settled in there now.

About 3 yrs ago we found a place New Smyrna Beach, FL, but we also keep a small condo in Charlotte - it's a 500 mile drive and the youngest son lives there (still and for now ;-)). The NSB place is 3 blocks away from where her mother comes for the winter and 6 from the ocean. Stumbling distance to bars and restaurants, but not in a high tourist area (e.g. Daytona, West Palm/Delray/Boca, Ft Lauderdale). It's also 2.5 hours from Tampa where her dad lives. For us, it's been about situating ourselves to enjoy our life, but also see our children (or have them come see us). There is always baseball going on somewhere, but less so collegiately near us (Stetson/Deland or Bethune-Cookman/Daytona).

The one thing about the Tampa area we've found when we go is it feels like it takes forever to get anywhere especially on the weekends. We've visited the Wilmington NC area a couple times, but in the last couple of hurricanes it's been hit hard - something else to consider...  My middle son loved the Chapel Hill area - lots of colleges and activities, but still a bit of a trek to the ocean. 

I guess in the long run it's all about what you want to do and whether you need to be close enough to a larger city or not. Spend a week or two in various areas if you can. There will be trade-offs... We rented our first 2 years - when you haven't done that for 20+ years it's kind of a funny process. But that did allow us to figure out where in Charlotte we preferred. Maybe something easier to do now - rather than watching your local news - go online and watch the local news of where you're looking to move to. You can learn a lot that way...

Not sure why so many people are so afraid of coming to Florida because of the heat.  For me it's the humidity which surprisingly enough is August. So I plan my days accordingly. But there is never nothing to do here.  People are missing all of the fun things to do here in FL during season due to COVID, what a shame.  

I used to go up to visit my family in NJ every summer and my girlfriend in NYC. The heat was unbearable. Problem, unlike FL, not every place was air conditioned, no pool in the backyard and getting to the jersey shore is impossible. 

Florida has some unique areas  and quaint towns to explore. And there are hills. If you go to UF or FSU you swear that you are not in Florida!

 

@cabbagedad posted:
Fenway, we do LOVE it where we are.  Some of the incentive would be that if we could find another area we would love as well, the exchange on home value would put us in a more comfortable retirement situation and sooner if we wanted. 

House prices are directly related to desirability - that's why they are so high where you are now!  To get a cheaper house, you'll have to accept frozen winters or hot humid summers.

I grew up in NC, my parents still live there, it is horrible in the summer unless you are actually on the beach - hot, humid, and mosquitoes.  A screened porch is a must.  Spring and fall are nice, and winter is not as bad as other places (but it's not Florida).  The Research Triangle is a great place to live, 2.5 hrs to the beach or the mountains, sports, music, good airport.  Not a small town, though. 

Cabbage, 

 I am reluctant to share this hidden gem, but go to Birmingham, AL.   It has hills but not mountains.  The seasons change but the winters are pretty mild.  You still may get a snow or two most years, but usually no big issues with closures.   The summers are hot and August is humid, but it is really June, July and August with July and August being the worst.  Fall is pretty divine.   

It's the east so there is plenty of water coming into and through the numerous rivers and streams.  There are man-made lakes for hydro-electricity that people absolutely love.  Lots of jet -skiing and boating and water skiing.  You can canoe or kayak.  You can trout fish.  You can bass fish.   You are an hour or less away from hunting spots for white tail deer, or for turkeys, or for dove or quail.  You can shoot your own coon or possum off your garbage can and eat that if you are careful about it. 

Birmingham has about everything one could want in a metropolis without the glut of people.  Symphony, music theater, 5 star dining, great museums, Sax 5th Ave and about every other shopping you could ask for, a minor league AA team in a swanky park, international airport, outstanding high school sports to watch.   You are right in the middle of SEC country and the collegiate sports are second to none.   Birmingham is hosting the World Games in 2022.  They have the Barber's Motorsports park which hosts a Porsche road race each year as well as numerous other events and also has a large museum full of cars and motorcycles.

One can easily be an hour or less from the metro area and find large tracts of land to spread out on.  

You will be about 4-5 hours from the Gulf of Mexico, which has the most beautiful sugar-sand beaches in the world. 

To top things off, Alabamians are some of the nicest, most down-to-earth and generous people you will ever meet.    Get used to saying, "Hi" to everyone you come across.  Churches are on every corner, and the people's faiths are genuine.  This is what got Birmingham quickly past the Civil Rights era and has brought great racial peace and harmony in that city.

Caveat 1)  You must be aware that weather can get severe at any time of year.  If you can purchase a home with a storm shelter or build one yourself, you will feel better during the storms.

Caveat 2) You cannot tell your friends how nice Birmingham is.  I hear it all the time.  People will say, I didn't know how nice it is here.  They tell their friends about it and then they come too.   The key to its being so nice is that it is unknown and still a quaint southern city.

Man, this has made me really miss home.

Cabbage, 

 I am reluctant to share this hidden gem, but go to Birmingham, AL.   It has hills but not mountains.  The seasons change but the winters are pretty mild.  You still may get a snow or two most years, but usually no big issues with closures.   The summers are hot and August is humid, but it is really June, July and August with July and August being the worst.  Fall is pretty divine.   

It's the east so there is plenty of water coming into and through the numerous rivers and streams.  There are man-made lakes for hydro-electricity that people absolutely love.  Lots of jet -skiing and boating and water skiing.  You can canoe or kayak.  You can trout fish.  You can bass fish.   You are an hour or less away from hunting spots for white tail deer, or for turkeys, or for dove or quail.  You can shoot your own coon or possum off your garbage can and eat that if you are careful about it. 

Birmingham has about everything one could want in a metropolis without the glut of people.  Symphony, music theater, 5 star dining, great museums, Sax 5th Ave and about every other shopping you could ask for, a minor league AA team in a swanky park, international airport, outstanding high school sports to watch.   You are right in the middle of SEC country and the collegiate sports are second to none.   Birmingham is hosting the World Games in 2022.  They have the Barber's Motorsports park which hosts a Porsche road race each year as well as numerous other events and also has a large museum full of cars and motorcycles.

One can easily be an hour or less from the metro area and find large tracts of land to spread out on.  

You will be about 4-5 hours from the Gulf of Mexico, which has the most beautiful sugar-sand beaches in the world. 

To top things off, Alabamians are some of the nicest, most down-to-earth and generous people you will ever meet.    Get used to saying, "Hi" to everyone you come across.  Churches are on every corner, and the people's faiths are genuine.  This is what got Birmingham quickly past the Civil Rights era and has brought great racial peace and harmony in that city.

Caveat 1)  You must be aware that weather can get severe at any time of year.  If you can purchase a home with a storm shelter or build one yourself, you will feel better during the storms.

Caveat 2) You cannot tell your friends how nice Birmingham is.  I hear it all the time.  People will say, I didn't know how nice it is here.  They tell their friends about it and then they come too.   The key to its being so nice is that it is unknown and still a quaint southern city.

Man, this has made me really miss home.

Can second this.  BHam has absolutely had a Renaissance over the past decade.  Great small city, some of the best food in the country, And beautiful  for sure.  It’s not a “small town” though. 

Florida panhandle is great.  Some good seasons and you get a lot more cold snaps than down south.  Lot of neat Air Force/Navy "stuff" and they tend to bring in lots of people from around the country which makes for a neat mix of folks.  Beaches and outdoor activities are pretty much year round.  Football and Baseball are huge down there. As Jimmy Buffett says...."you can't reason with hurricane season"...buy a little inland if you can

Have lived in NC too in the Triangle(Cary, Raleigh, Durham) and Triad(Greensboro, Winston-Salem, High Point) areas which are 1.5 to 2.5 hours up to the Appalachian Mountains, Boone, Banner Elk... ski resorts. Great universities, Performing Arts, very good Minor league BB and ACC, Big South and Southern Conf. baseball).  Four Fantastic seasons, cheap golf everywhere.  Little bit of ice and snow but not wicked amounts.  Hurricanes have not been too crazy this far inland. 2-3 hours to Wilmington and Myrtle Beach and then 3-4 hours to Virginia Beach.  OBX are one of our favorite places to vacation here.  

Good luck!    

@TPM posted:

Not sure why so many people are so afraid of coming to Florida because of the heat.  For me it's the humidity which surprisingly enough is August. So I plan my days accordingly. But there is never nothing to do here.  People are missing all of the fun things to do here in FL during season due to COVID, what a shame.  

I used to go up to visit my family in NJ every summer and my girlfriend in NYC. The heat was unbearable. Problem, unlike FL, not every place was air conditioned, no pool in the backyard and getting to the jersey shore is impossible. 

Florida has some unique areas  and quaint towns to explore. And there are hills. If you go to UF or FSU you swear that you are not in Florida!

 

I love driving through the small towns between Palm Beach and Ft Myers. A bunch of little BBQ places, old FL buildings and houses, ranches, etc. I’ve lived here most of my life and took it for granted. It took my dad coming to visit from NH for me to explore more. FL has a lot of interesting history.... and phenomenal Cuban food

Maybe check Lake Norman, just north of Charlotte.

Wilmington, NC has been a hot spot for many.  (Wrightsville Beach is just over the causeway).  Many retirement communities in the area.

I live 9 houses from the Richmond, VA city limits with great county schools.  Richmond has recently been a hot restaurant town, with lots of history, 1 hour from the mountains, 2 hours from the beach, 1 hour from several rivers with their lovely river homes.  We have the Giants AA baseball affiliate here, and 5 D1, and 4 D3 colleges/sports local or within an hour.  One major teaching university hospital is local with another an hour away.   DC is a 2-hr drive on a good day.  Train service up the northern corridor is easy.  We have 4 lovely seasons.

With all our baseball travels and vacations, I try to envision myself retiring somewhere else.   I have come to the conclusion that I have it pretty good right here.  They are opening a new Trader Joe's near me and now I will probably never leave.  

 

@cabbagedad posted:

Hshuler, I have some family in North Ga. and that is part of the draw to the region.  I was thinking NC might be a little less stifling in the summer but not really sure.  I don't picture Georgia lakes as really clean and good for swimming, boating, etc., but I really don't know.  We checked out doing a big family reunion on a lake there one year and ended up not doing it because the lake water level was so low and it looked pretty brown.  Would love to hear more.

 

@cabbagedad, There are some pretty lakes and rivers up in the North GA mountains.  Lots of good hiking and kayaking to be had.  My favorite is Lake Burton, but there are many to choose from.  The problem with many of them is they are pretty far from real civilization -- good hospitals, museums, shopping, airport, etc.  If you are looking in GA, maybe focus on the Alpharetta/Cumming area, which is the closest civilization to the lakes, or maybe Gainesville, which is a small town right on Lake Lanier (not the prettiest lake in GA, but perhaps a good compromise).  I know a few people who have homes in Big Canoe and love it there.

https://www.bigcanoe.com/

If you're looking for sleepy mountain towns, one of the best Atlanta "getaways" is Highlands, NC.  You might want to look up there as well.

With family in Atlanta, you should have a good sense of what your options are on the north side.  

For beach options in Georgia, I would definitely look at Savannah.  Much prefer it to Charleston, personally.  Not so built up.  The beaches are not as lovely as the Gulf coast of Florida, but they will do.

OP, I am surprised no one has suggested Greenville, SC given your original criteria.  Yes there are the dog days or August, but Greenville is fantastic, incredible walkable downtown with great entertainment, wonderful restaurants in all price categories, and fantastic shops 7 days a week.  There are cultural activities, and Flour field is one of the best minor league ball parks in the country.  On the edge of the smoky mountains, a short drive ,1 hour ,to Asheville, a reasonable 2 hours to Gatlinburg/ Pigeon Forge and 30 minutes from Clemson.  If this is your area, check out Greenville.

@Pedaldad posted:

OP, I am surprised no one has suggested Greenville, SC given your original criteria.  Yes there are the dog days or August, but Greenville is fantastic, incredible walkable downtown with great entertainment, wonderful restaurants in all price categories, and fantastic shops 7 days a week.  There are cultural activities, and Flour field is one of the best minor league ball parks in the country.  On the edge of the smoky mountains, a short drive ,1 hour ,to Asheville, a reasonable 2 hours to Gatlinburg/ Pigeon Forge and 30 minutes from Clemson.  If this is your area, check out Greenville.

First time in Greenville in 2004, last time 2016 and I couldn't believe it!  Yes, definetly worth the mention.  My very good friend moved there to be with her kids and She loves it. 

With all of these suggestions it's important to really check them out, people usually relocate to be close to family, that's really important. JMO

 

I remember back in the 80’s one of the “in” things to do was move to Wyoming, Montana or Idaho. In my 20’s I loved Wyoming. While successful, my professional world was hectic. I hated the politics of the corporate world. Traffic in LA was getting worse and worse. Trips to Wyoming maintained my sanity.

I considered I could raft guide on the Snake (I was white water certified) and be a ski instructor in the winter. Then there was a follow up article in the LA Times on people who made the move. 80% returned to Southern California within two years. What appeared to be idyllic on vacation became boring as every day life. 

Besides, had I become a raft guide and ski instructor in Wyoming I would have had to grow a beard.

A thing to consider and it’s part of the ratings in any “best places to retire” articles is the quality of the health care in the area. When you get older something you never considered (quality of health care) may save your life.

 

Hey Cabbagedad,

Sounds to me like you should definitely investigate the mountain areas of Western NC, North GA, or Upstate SC.  These seem to check most of the boxes you mention. 

Climate in these areas is vastly different from coastal or even central NC, SC, & GA, and there are many small towns and lakes. No humidity or flying insects if you stay in the mountain elevations. This area is mostly within an hour or so of either Asheville, Greenville, or Atlanta.  Within a few hours drive to the SC or GA coast, and just a little farther to NC beach areas.  Lots of these small towns have vibrant downtown areas with plenty of restaurants and local music and breweries. Real estate and taxes are mostly reasonable.

Examples of lakes to look at include Glenville, Chatuge, Jocassee, and Keowee.  These areas also have many rivers for rafting and kayaking, like Nantahala or Chattooga, and the national parks and forest service areas are perfect for for camping, hiking, biking, hunting, fishing, or other adventures. 

Bigger lakes a little outside the mountain region include Hartwell near Clemson, Lanier on northern outskirts of Atlanta, and Norman near Davidson College and Charlotte in more central NC area. 

Shoot me a PM if you need more details.

My wife and I like the amenities and attractions of an urban area that's within easy reach of both the coast and the mountains. Those are qualities, among others, that influenced us to choose Charlotte when we relocated from the West Coast. Charlotte offers affordable real estate prices in the midst of all the shopping, sports, and cultural offerings that virtually any other metro area offers. 

Want to live on a lake? We have 3 of them. Want a comfortable, suburban setting? There are dozens of great neighborhoods on all sides; and most of them are within relatively easy reach of the center city.

There's the NFL, NBA, AAA baseball (in the finest AAA ballpark anywhere), an annual PGA event, and an American Hockey League team; along with Division I and small college sports. Meanwhile, there's a lively and varied cultural scene.

Wrap it all up in a great, moderate climate, and Charlotte's hard not to like. 

If you or anyone out there is considering coming here, give me a shout. I can help in a variety of ways.

P.S. If Charlotte (metro population ~2.7 million) is on the large side for anyone, my vote would go to Greenville, SC. Amazing small city!

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