LL WS Washington vs Conn.

Although most full crews (4-6 man) prefer to match it is not too unheard of or unacceptable for the plate umpire to wear a differing color than the field crew.....

I would have to disagree.. there has NEVER been a time I was told I could wear anything different from anyone else... Cardinal rule match each other... only time it would be different is if plate guy wears a plate coat or the base guys wear jackets vs what the plate guy has on... sure you can wear different colors but if there is an evaluator watching... 100% you get a ding for it!!!

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
I would have to disagree.. there has NEVER been a time I was told I could wear anything different from anyone else... Cardinal rule match each other... only time it would be different is if plate guy wears a plate coat or the base guys wear jackets vs what the plate guy has on... sure you can wear different colors but if there is an evaluator watching... 100% you get a ding for it!!!

It was very common in MLB in the 90's for the PU to wear a different color than the BU's. Some umpire manuals actually said the BU uniforms must match.

It still happens from time time, especially when the PU wears a plate coat.

I don't have a problem with it.

One conference I work specifies that two man crews must match, but PU may wear a different color when working in three man and four man crews.

Sorry... I disagree... you will have to show me that the MLB wore different colors... maybe a plate coat but not different shirts... Every organization... where the same color shirt... 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 no matter how many umpires you have on the field...

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Sorry... I disagree... you will have to show me that the MLB wore different colors... maybe a plate coat but not different shirts... Every organization... where the same color shirt... 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 no matter how many umpires you have on the field...

Excuse me? You disagree with what? It is a fact that the PU in MLB crew often wore a different color than the rest of the cres, most particularly in the American League in the 90's. You may disagree with facts all you like, it won't change them.

Now you may disagree that the practice should be allowed, many do. But that doesn't change facts.

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Sorry... I disagree... you will have to show me that the MLB wore different colors... maybe a plate coat but not different shirts... Every organization... where the same color shirt... 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 no matter how many umpires you have on the field...

The American League had the option of PU wearing red while the BUs wore blue. 1996 was the first year the pullovers were worn, and that is the first year that the option existed.

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Originally posted by Matt13:

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Sorry... I disagree... you will have to show me that the MLB wore different colors... maybe a plate coat but not different shirts... Every organization... where the same color shirt... 2,3,4,5,6,7,8 no matter how many umpires you have on the field...

The American League had the option of PU wearing red while the BUs wore blue. 1996 was the first year the pullovers were worn, and that is the first year that the option existed.

Gee, Matt....someone may disagree. Can you show us?

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Gee, Matt....someone may disagree. Can you show us?

Well, just to set this to rest, if someone can find an image or video of Game 3 of the 1998 World Series, Dale Scott wore red while the rest of the crew wore blue.

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Originally posted by Matt13:

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Gee, Matt....someone may disagree. Can you show us?

Well, just to set this to rest, if someone can find an image or video of Game 3 of the 1998 World Series, Dale Scott wore red while the rest of the crew wore blue.

Best I could come up with on short notice:

When the AL introduced red shirts in 1996,(Dale) Scott frequently was the only umpire to wear the color, rather than the usual navy blue. He almost always wore the red shirt when working home plate, including Game 3 of the 1998 World Series at Qualcomm Stadium. - Wikipedia

This is the problem with being older...you remember things that others swear never happened.

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This is the problem with being older...you remember things that others swear never happened.

Not to mention that you don't remember things that others swear happened.

I see the latter more often. :P

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Originally posted by yawetag:

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This is the problem with being older...you remember things that others swear never happened.

Not to mention that you don't remember things that others swear happened.

I see the latter more often. :P

welcome to the site yaw...good to have you here....

American League... enough said...

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
American League... enough said...

no enough said, would be sorry guys, I guess I was wrong....

Yes, it was common and easy on the AL remarks.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
Yes, it was common and easy on the AL remarks.

Yeah, ya gotta feel sorry for the American League, the junior circuit....winner of 13 of the last 15 All Star games and 64 of the 106 World Series.

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:
Yeah, ya gotta feel sorry for the American League, the junior circuit....winner of 13 of the last 15 All Star games and 64 of the 106 World Series.

That smarts...because my favorite team is the only one to switch leagues just in time to see the league get totally, umm...what language is appropriate here...DOMINATED in AS and WS play.

Need any ellipses? I have plenty to spare.

LMAO...

I am a National League guy who does not like the DH rule for MLB... (but that is another discussion on a different day)

Ok... it was common in the American League back in the late 20th Century... but it is not common now "AT ALL"... I am sure that over 95% (if not higher) of the umpire associations (Worldwide)want/emphasize/demand and push to have everyone dressed the same... only exception is if the plate person (politically correct) wears some type of jacket or the base person/s wear (the same) type of jacker vs. a plate coat or shirt worn by the plate person.

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
LMAO...

I am a National League guy who does not like the DH rule for MLB... (but that is another discussion on a different day)

Ok... it was common in the American League back in the late 20th Century... but it is not common now "AT ALL"... I am sure that over 95% (if not higher) of the umpire associations (Worldwide)want/emphasize/demand and push to have everyone dressed the same... only exception is if the plate person (politically correct) wears some type of jacket or the base person/s wear (the same) type of jacker vs. a plate coat or shirt worn by the plate person.

I saw this in practice at a SF Giants game a few years back when cream shirts were introduced and a few players were b!tching that they couldn't pick up the ball because of the color. (Completely disregarding the fact that several catchers wear light grey chest protectors over white jerseys.)

The BU's wore Cream, the PU wore black.

I cannot say at this time that it was policy or even authorized, I can only submit that it was done and I did not hear of any fines or other repercussions.

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:
Ok... it was common in the American League back in the late 20th Century... but it is not common now "AT ALL"... I am sure that over 95% (if not higher) of the umpire associations (Worldwide)want/emphasize/demand and push to have everyone dressed the same... only exception is if the plate person (politically correct) wears some type of jacket or the base person/s wear (the same) type of jacker vs. a plate coat or shirt worn by the plate person.

common today?, no, dont think that is what anyone here is saying........but acceptable to some and not unheard of .........yes.....and if you would google it , you would see that some associations still do permit the larger crews to do so.....

[/QUOTE]common today?, no, dont think that is what anyone here is saying........but acceptable to some and not unheard of .........yes.....and if you would google it , you would see that some associations still do permit the larger crews to do so.....[/QUOTE]

you throw out that I have to Google... you could at least offer one website that permits it...at least I said I was guessing at the number

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:

common today?, no, dont think that is what anyone here is saying........but acceptable to some and not unheard of .........yes.....and if you would google it , you would see that some associations still do permit the larger crews to do so.....[/QUOTE]

you throw out that I have to Google... you could at least offer one website that permits it...at least I said I was guessing at the number[/QUOTE]

ok, i'll do your research for you...here you go:

http://www.peninsulaumpires.org/Uniforms.pdf

and to keep you from having to search it... under the section 10.3 it says..

The PLATE UMPIRE in a multi-person crew may wear the complementary color of the BASE UMPIRES..

its actually an exceptional policy and I may seek to use something similar in my associations....

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:and to keep you from having to search it... under the section 10.3 it says..

The PLATE UMPIRE in a multi-person crew may wear the complementary color of the BASE UMPIRES..

They contradict the policy in 10.2: "Otherwise all Umpires shall match in color."

That's not a contradiction.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
That's not a contradiction.

So, I'm not the only to have noticed the word "Otherwise".

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Originally posted by Jimmy03:So, I'm not the only to have noticed the word "Otherwise".

For clarification, I'll post the two rules together:

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Section 10.2 - Approved Uniform Items
SHIRT: Major League Style Shirt – default color is Navy.
Otherwise all Umpires shall match in color.
Honig's Model #HMLS or equivalent; Short or Long Sleeve

Section 10.3 - General Guidelines for Uniform Wear
BOTH UMPIRES in a two-umpire crew will dress in like COLORS.
All BASE UMPIRES assigned to a three or four umpire crew will dress in like COLOR and
STYLE. They will wear the same color jackets or short sleeve shirts.
The PLATE UMPIRE in a multi-person crew may wear the complementary color of the BASE
UMPIRES.

The "Otherwise" you saw had nothing to do with PU matching -- it had to do with wearing Navy. So, in 10.2, it states all umpires must match, but 10.3 states differently.

In 10.2 it says Dk blue is the defaualt but if wearing different they will match. This covers all size crews.
In 10.3 it says all the base umps will match but the PU MAY wear a complimentary color but is not required.

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Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
In 10.2 it says Dk blue is the defaualt but if wearing different they will match. This covers all size crews.
In 10.3 it says all the base umps will match but the PU MAY wear a complimentary color but is not required.

Thank you.

A few questions?

Why have so many options, what happened to the day of being all "blue"?

What is a "Complimentary color?" If I say "nice shirt ump", is that a complimentary color?

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Originally posted by Gold Glove:
A few questions?

Why have so many options, what happened to the day of being all "blue"?

What is a "Complimentary color?" If I say "nice shirt ump", is that a complimentary color?

Many of us here go back to the old days of the Elbeco shirt...It was a light blue button up the front shirt made by the Elbeco company. Imagine sort of a short sleeve policemans shirt...

MLB Umpire uniforms have undergone many changes over the years. While perhaps not as dynamic as players' uniforms, the colors have been modified several times.

Maroon jackets, black pants, navy pants, royal blue pants, black shirts, navy long-sleeved shirts, navy short-sleeved shirts, white shirts (with and without black ties), powder-blue long sleeved shirts with ties -- these are all different styles from years gone by.

The most remembered change for many non-umpires is the change from the light blue button up shirt to the Navy pullover...

To me this was a welcome change. I was never a fan of the old elbeco. On the other hand, the thick polyester Navy pullover was very hot....and a light blue version was introduced.

MLB drives most of the fashion changes in baseball....recent changes were the sage grey pants....then charcoal pants.......and the switch to Black jerseys...etc....

To that end the leagues and level can mandate jersey colors and types....

I have for the following jerseys to work all the leagues I do:

Navy
Light Blue
Black
Polo Blue
Cream
Grey

As to complimentary color, we usually pick complimentary colors from the trim colors on the sleeves........

It's not rocket science.......black,grey or cream are complimentary...... black and blue.......well not so much.......

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gold Glove:

Navy
Light Blue
Black
Polo Blue
Cream
Grey

What no RED?

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Originally posted by TX-Ump74:

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Originally posted by piaa_ump:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gold Glove:

Navy
Light Blue
Black
Polo Blue
Cream
Grey

What no RED?

no red..........no pink, no white, no maroon, no chocolate brown, no tie dyed.........

Now if a league I wanted to umpire in had a requirement for red, then I would have one.....wouldnt be my choice, but if you want to do those games and thats what they require thats a differing story

Doesn't sound kind of goofy to yell "Hey Blue!" to a guy dressed in red, or cream? Yeesh!

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Originally posted by schwammi:
Doesn't sound kind of goofy to yell "Hey Blue!" to a guy dressed in red, or cream? Yeesh!

It sounds goofy whatever an umpire is wearing. I have no clue how anyone ever figured that was a good idea. I wonder if would managers like it if we said, "Hey, White" or "Hey, Grey" or "Hey, Pinstripes." Or for you Chris Berman types, "Hey, Leather."