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That is what happens when you are gifted 85 full scholarships. They become pretty meaningless very quickly. It is also part of the reason the top teams never change. They have enough scholarships to give out to every 4/5 star recruit. You limit their number and watch how quickly some of the middle of the pack teams start becoming competitive when they start landing some of those bigger recruits.
Baseball catches a lot of slack, but it keeps the players honest. 11.7 to spread out across 27 guys. Coaches are going to make every single percentage point count. And if you take too long to decide, it might be gone.
What's crazy is how D1s with terrible football are offering 85 full scholarships to 1/2 star recruits when their baseball teams are winning 45 games and sending 3-4 guys to the MLB each year on 25% offers.
Ideally I think football should get 55 full and baseball 20 full.
Ain’t gonna happen, but I agree
Football pays the bills - and the top schools have a competitive advantage that they won't give up easily. Alabama and Clemson are tying up 40/50 players on their bench that could help beat them if they were somewhere else. Expand on that and the Power 5 swallow up about 2,000 players on their benches. That keeps the top 20 almost entirely a Power 5 party in football year in and year out. Cash rolls in, everyone is happy and they like it that way.
Breaking that monopoly is going to require government intervention...be careful what you wish for.
PABaseball posted:...when their baseball teams are winning 45 games and sending 3-4 guys to the MLB each year on 25% offers.
I don't know what you mean by this--do you mean eventually? No one is going to MLB straight from college.
PABaseball posted:Ideally I think football should get 55 full and baseball 20 full.
Give it time. Football will decrease as the ROI does. In a purely P&L sense, sports are a money pit.
Its all about the money!!
MONTGOMERY, AL (WSFA) - Football isn't just a sport, it's part of the culture down South. With the start of the college football season right around the corner, fans are gearing up, and they aren't the only ones.
The return of college football is a time of year most people in Alabama live for. No matter how your team does on the gridiron this season one thing is certain: the state will come out with a win.
"We have people coming from all over the Southeast and all over the nation into our state every year," said Brian Jones with the Alabama Tourism Department.
Alabama has a big appeal because there is not only the University of Alabama and Auburn University, but a number of other universities in different conferences who have fans ready to spend their money.
"When someone goes to a football game they are not just driving in, going to the game and leaving. When they are coming in from other states they are staying for the weekend. They are staying in hotels, they are eating in restaurants, they are shopping," said Jones.
While it is estimated travelers spent more than $13.3 billion last year in our state, the exact economic impact of college football in our state is unknown.
The most recent study dates back nearly 5 years ago when state economists estimated between UA and AU the economic impact was somewhere near the $500 million mark.
"It is really tough to take and come up with one number. The impact is huge. To some degree in Auburn we want to say it is triple what a normal weekend would be throughout the year," said John Wild with the Auburn Opelika Tourism Bureau.
"We have had new to the market retail, we have new lodging opportunities, we have more reasons for people to spend money while they are in Tuscaloosa then we did before. It stands to reason that the economic impact is even greater than it ever has been," Jim Page with the Chamber of Commerce of West Alabama.
Stay focused,
the economic impact will still be there, but man, wouldn’t it be nice if it got spread around a little?
2022OFDad posted:Stay focused,
the economic impact will still be there, but man, wouldn’t it be nice if it got spread around a little?
as much as I would love to see baseball get more personally...no it wouldn't nice if it was spread around more. let the market speak. The last thing we need is more arbitrary spreading around of anything.
old_school posted:2022OFDad posted:Stay focused,
the economic impact will still be there, but man, wouldn’t it be nice if it got spread around a little?
as much as I would love to see baseball get more personally...no it wouldn't nice if it was spread around more. let the market speak. The last thing we need is more arbitrary spreading around of anything.
But isn't it already being arbitrarily spread around? If you look at collegiate sports as a stand-alone "business" (i.e., don't take into account that they enhance the student experience, can be good marketing, may bring in more new students, etc.), I suspect that for the vast majority of DI schools, football and basketball are the only sports that bring in more than they cost. So to varying degrees, these two sports end up subsidizing baseball and the other sports? I suspect that if universities truly let the market speak and treat each sport as a separate "business", there would be no intercollegiate sports other than football and basketball. I am an American gosh darn it and like the idea of free market but just wonder what would happen to baseball (and soccer, volleyball, rowing, gymnastics, etc. etc.) if the colleges truly let the market speak. My guess is that everything other than football and hoops would quickly go by the wayside lol! I say why not spread some more football $ to the other sports - its being done already.
Those who are informed learn to ask the right questions so they know which offers are committable. When an offer isn’t committable you don’t seriously consider that school.
Obviously, the next hurdle is signing the NLI.
Qhead posted:old_school posted:2022OFDad posted:Stay focused,
the economic impact will still be there, but man, wouldn’t it be nice if it got spread around a little?
as much as I would love to see baseball get more personally...no it wouldn't nice if it was spread around more. let the market speak. The last thing we need is more arbitrary spreading around of anything.
But isn't it already being arbitrarily spread around? If you look at collegiate sports as a stand-alone "business" (i.e., don't take into account that they enhance the student experience, can be good marketing, may bring in more new students, etc.), I suspect that for the vast majority of DI schools, football and basketball are the only sports that bring in more than they cost. So to varying degrees, these two sports end up subsidizing baseball and the other sports? I suspect that if universities truly let the market speak and treat each sport as a separate "business", there would be no intercollegiate sports other than football and basketball. I am an American gosh darn it and like the idea of free market but just wonder what would happen to baseball (and soccer, volleyball, rowing, gymnastics, etc. etc.) if the colleges truly let the market speak. My guess is that everything other than football and hoops would quickly go by the wayside lol! I say why not spread some more football $ to the other sports - its being done already.
For the vast majority of D1 schools, not even football and basketball break even.
There are 673 NCAA football programs. That's up a little since 1987. IMO, CTE will eventually mean less programs... it won't be because of finances.
In 2016, 23 athletic departments at the 325 public NCAA football colleges met the NCAA definition of "financial self-sufficiency". All of the others "lose money". Private colleges don't have to report those numbers, but they're probably pretty similar.
To me, having a football program is similar to advertising. It's very hard to accurately quantify the impact, but you know that it's effective. College football is probably the best (or easiest) method of maintaining connections with alumni (and their contributions), and it also attracts interest from the local public. Villanova dropped football in 1981, then brought it back in 1985 mostly due to vocal alumni.
Matt13 posted:PABaseball posted:...when their baseball teams are winning 45 games and sending 3-4 guys to the MLB each year on 25% offers.
I don't know what you mean by this--do you mean eventually? No one is going to MLB straight from college.
I meant the MLB draft. A lot of terrible football programs gifting 85 sets of free tuition to average players when the baseball team at the same school is very good and produces future pro players for 1/4 of the price.
PABaseball posted:I meant the MLB draft. A lot of terrible football programs gifting 85 sets of free tuition to average players when the baseball team at the same school is very good and produces future pro players for 1/4 of the price.
I know it's not your point, but the tuition is probably one of the less significant expenses for all those full scholarship football players. 85 guys in classrooms spread across hundreds of classes. The room, board and books is mostly real money.
Also, FCS football makes up about half of D1, and those schools are limited to the equivalent of 63 full scholarships.