Does anyone know a good pitching coach who gives lessons that is located south of the Dallas Metro plex? (Duncanville, Desoto, Mansfield, Waxahachie areas)
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The best hitting, pitching, catching and fielding instructor is located in South Arlington and his name is Shane Davenport.
Thank you for that recommendation, Mrs. Davenport.
quote:The best hitting, pitching, catching and fielding instructor is located in South Arlington and his name is Shane Davenport.
Well it's an opionion! The best? How about one of the best? Linty Ingram is no slouch. I am sure there are others. Do some research and find the best fit. But what do I know?
quote:Originally posted by Uncle Ethan:
Thank you for that recommendation, Mrs. Davenport.
Actually Shane is my son's batting and catching instructor. He owns Hit & Run. His website is www.shanedavenport.com
JAFO- You know I'm right there with you, but is Linty south of the Metroplex?
He is south of Allen. 
People travel miles for the best instructors.
Mike Bacsick is in SW Arlington near Lake Arlington and I20.
quote:Originally posted by 11sdad:
Mike Bacsick is in SW Arlington near Lake Arlington and I20.
Do you have any contact information for Mike Bacsick?
His number is (817)572-9519
Find out some of the coach's pupils, preferably those he has worked with for a while. Try to find the opportunity to watch them in a game.
Listen closely to referrals, and ask why they think the coach they refer is a good coach. Ask for examples.
Go to the lesson. Do nothing but listen & watch. A good coach won't spend time selling himself or blowing smoke. Some coaches may have knowledge or experience, but can't teach. Some don't have knowledge or the ability to teach. And sometimes a particular coach just doesn't connect well with a given kid.
Find the best fit for your son. It may take some time. A truly good pitching coach is rare.
Listen closely to referrals, and ask why they think the coach they refer is a good coach. Ask for examples.
Go to the lesson. Do nothing but listen & watch. A good coach won't spend time selling himself or blowing smoke. Some coaches may have knowledge or experience, but can't teach. Some don't have knowledge or the ability to teach. And sometimes a particular coach just doesn't connect well with a given kid.
Find the best fit for your son. It may take some time. A truly good pitching coach is rare.
quote:Originally posted by JAFO:
Well it's an opionion!
Wouldn't you expect a thread like this to produce opinions?
Sorry Texan. Your reply is out of context. The entire statement had a little more to offer. Not taking that bait. Nice try though.
No, it really isn't out of context. You argued with someone saying who they thought was the best. You offered an alternative as "one of the best". But both of you are offering opinions.
There are nothing but opinions to offer in replying to the original poster's question.
Not baiting. Just observing.
There are nothing but opinions to offer in replying to the original poster's question.
Not baiting. Just observing.
Ok, ok, ok......not worth the argument. And I didn't argue. I asked questions then pointed out alternatives. No argument to it.
I'm done with it.
I'm done with it.
why not ask a pro scout who they recommend for their prospects to use... hint, he is listed here and is close to Ballpark in Arlington...
If your pitching coach can't explain functional strength to you, then back away, he is prob just some guy that played in high school, college, or minors and is really just teaching your kid to "throw" better, but not pitch....
If your pitching coach can't explain functional strength to you, then back away, he is prob just some guy that played in high school, college, or minors and is really just teaching your kid to "throw" better, but not pitch....
quote:Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
why not ask a pro scout who they recommend for their prospects to use... hint, he is listed here and is close to Ballpark in Arlington...
If your pitching coach can't explain functional strength to you, then back away, he is prob just some guy that played in high school, college, or minors and is really just teaching your kid to "throw" better, but not pitch....
What is the pro scout's name and contact number that you are refering to? I am looking for a coach that has an advanced knowledge of form and technique. My 14 year old can throw in the low 80's right now but is a little wild.
Danny Florence out of Frozen Ropes McKinney. He has workerd with Adam Miller with the Indians and he has made me a completly different pitcher over the years.
Bosch- Bascik....
just remember in your search, that just because someone said they played the game or playe at a certain level, does not make them a teacher of an aspect within the game... make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement... you will see larger strides and greater results with reaching overall future potential of your youngster if you do...
just remember in your search, that just because someone said they played the game or playe at a certain level, does not make them a teacher of an aspect within the game... make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement... you will see larger strides and greater results with reaching overall future potential of your youngster if you do...
Diablo -- do you have any recommendations?
My son has worked with Mike Bacsik with very good results (improved mechanics, velocity and improved mental side of pitching). He did the bio-mechanic evaluation last week at TMI Sports performance in Arlington (testing stress on the elbow and shoulder and how efficiently he throws). TMI is associated with Rangers Orthopedic Dr Meister and Sherry Werner who does the evaluation. Mike Bacsik participated in the evaluation at TMI. We get the results today. The University of Texas is send their entire pitching staff to have the same evaluation done this fall.
reggie -- do you mind me asking how much this type of evaluation costs? You can send me a PM if you don't want to discuss it here. Thanks.
PD thats where I did my rehab on my shoulder and I ask the price and believe it was either $400 or $600.
quote:Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
just remember in your search, that just because someone said they played the game or playe at a certain level, does not make them a teacher of an aspect within the game... make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement...
Sage words...
quote:Originally posted by Texan:quote:Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
just remember in your search, that just because someone said they played the game or playe at a certain level, does not make them a teacher of an aspect within the game... make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement...
Sage words...
Just a question, what does that make someone who never played the game but has a degree in biomechanical principles of human movement?
Ummm, it makes them someone with a degree in biomechanical principles of human movement...
Therefore, all people with degrees in biomechanical principles of human movement...
make good pitching coaches
or only pitches coaches who studied under Einstein with a degree in biomechanical principles of human movement... make good pitching coaches?
make good pitching coaches
or only pitches coaches who studied under Einstein with a degree in biomechanical principles of human movement... make good pitching coaches?
quote:Originally posted by reggie-3-77:
Therefore, all people with degrees in biomechanical principles of human movement...
make good pitching coaches
or only pitches coaches who studied under Einstein with a degree in biomechanical principles of human movement... make good pitching coaches?
Are you saying that?
Or are you trying to put words in my mouth? I certainly did not make such a statement or imply such.
Diablo did not make such a statement. As to his intent, he will speak for himself.
A good pitching coach will have some understanding of basic biomechanics. He doesn't have to have a degree or have taken formal coursework, obviously. But he should have had the interest to learn some about biomechanics. Likewise applied physics.
Without some grasp of the underlying principles, what can a pitching coach teach? All he can teach is either what his mechanics, or the mechanics someone else showed him.
Without some grasp of the underlying principles, if he merely teaches the mechanics someone else showed him then he has no way of knowing if that is best. Or what effect it might have on the kids he teaches. Nor if those mechanics are optimum for someone who does not share his own body type and characteristics.
Similiarly, without some grasp of the underlying principles, if he merely teaches the mechanics he used then he has no way of knowing if that is best. Or what effect it might have on the kids he teaches. Nor if those mechanics are optimum for someone who does not share his own body type and characteristics.
The other point I quoted from Diablo, which had been stated in my earlier post even prior to Diablo's, is that the coach needs to be a good teacher. Some folks have great knowledge and experience but are poor teachers.
Well said I guess
The point of this entire topic is to give people insight into the good pitching coaches in a certain area,
Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
just remember in your search, that just because someone said they played the game or played at a certain level, does not make them a teacher of an aspect within the game... make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement...
I am not trying to put words in your mouth or anyone else's, a good pitching coach is a good pitching coach, he understands pitching mechanics and can correct flaws, he understands pitching philosophy / pitch selection, he understands the mental make up that pitchers need, he can give you a good work out routines, he can give you a pre game routine for a starter or a reliever, ...
To say that "make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement... " over complicates and over simplifies at the same time what makes a good pitching coach. That's all I am trying to say.
The point of this entire topic is to give people insight into the good pitching coaches in a certain area,
Originally posted by Diablo con Huevos:
just remember in your search, that just because someone said they played the game or played at a certain level, does not make them a teacher of an aspect within the game... make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement...
I am not trying to put words in your mouth or anyone else's, a good pitching coach is a good pitching coach, he understands pitching mechanics and can correct flaws, he understands pitching philosophy / pitch selection, he understands the mental make up that pitchers need, he can give you a good work out routines, he can give you a pre game routine for a starter or a reliever, ...
To say that "make sure your coach has a foundation in the biomechanical principles of human movement... " over complicates and over simplifies at the same time what makes a good pitching coach. That's all I am trying to say.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
reggie -- do you mind me asking how much this type of evaluation costs? You can send me a PM if you don't want to discuss it here. Thanks.
I sent you a PM
All I can say is WOW. 
So many experts, so little time. 
Have a good weekend. I'm going to go kill a bird.
Have a good weekend. I'm going to go kill a bird.
Another valuable contribution to this thread.
JAFO -- do you answer your PM?
Thanks reggie.
Thanks reggie.
quote:Originally posted by JAFO:
All I can say is WOW.
Have a good weekend. I'm going to go kill a bird.
smart ***
Call em like I see em! PD pm back at you.
Aw, you're just sore because you're not getting a big enough cut from those $50 tryout fees. 
How about no cut. 
reggie-
all i am saying is... would you rather have a guy work with your son in pitching who is just a former player... or a former player who has a degree in bimechanical principles of human movement? actually i'd take the latter even without the playing experience... so would 100% of major leaguers... just like would you want a former player working with your son on mental makeup or a sports psychologist? ala Dorfman/Kuehl...
who do you want making a "workout" for your pitcher? a guy that worked out growing up that was always in peak shape, or someone who has a certification through Cooper's/American College of Sports Medicine?
it's like everyones wife/girlfriend who says they want to lose weight so they are going to join an aerobic class and eat a lot less food everyday... that is the thought process of an uneducated person in the field of fitness... if someone wanted to lose weight and get in better shape - hopefully aerobics is the after thought, we are not in the 80's anymore... someone with an Exercise Science degree would steer those ladies in to weights/eating MORE meals a day...
Did you say it overcomplicates and over simplifies at the same time? that sounds like the tallest midget story....
why are you so worked up any way? you give lessons?
all i am saying is... would you rather have a guy work with your son in pitching who is just a former player... or a former player who has a degree in bimechanical principles of human movement? actually i'd take the latter even without the playing experience... so would 100% of major leaguers... just like would you want a former player working with your son on mental makeup or a sports psychologist? ala Dorfman/Kuehl...
who do you want making a "workout" for your pitcher? a guy that worked out growing up that was always in peak shape, or someone who has a certification through Cooper's/American College of Sports Medicine?
it's like everyones wife/girlfriend who says they want to lose weight so they are going to join an aerobic class and eat a lot less food everyday... that is the thought process of an uneducated person in the field of fitness... if someone wanted to lose weight and get in better shape - hopefully aerobics is the after thought, we are not in the 80's anymore... someone with an Exercise Science degree would steer those ladies in to weights/eating MORE meals a day...
Did you say it overcomplicates and over simplifies at the same time? that sounds like the tallest midget story....
why are you so worked up any way? you give lessons?