Losing pitcher

Sounds like all the P need some work. Was your son one of them?

Wouldn't worry about HS w-l records for P, not a major deal. I've seen some teams use their best P against horrible teams so kids stats will look better. 

Thanks for comment stats was wondering how you get a loss when you give up less runs then your team scores. It can go both ways come in throw 1 pitch get out of inning and take lead next at bat for a win.

playball2011 posted:

Sounds like all the P need some work. Was your son one of them?

Wouldn't worry about HS w-l records for P, not a major deal. I've seen some teams use their best P against horrible teams so kids stats will look better. 

Well, to be honest they need more than just some work on the mound, but at this point it’s pretty much academic.

My son graduated in 2004. I keep doing this because I love HS baseball.

It is a shame you can't charge them both with the loss. 

Stats, first pitcher gets the loss as you and I both know. W/L is a stat that has way too much passion tied to it. IMHO, one of the most worthless measures of pitching (especially relief pitching) in baseball.

Look at Minor League ball. The best prospects have losing records as they're all starting pitchers who only go 4-5 innings. If they're behind, they lose. If they're ahead, they don't pitch enough innings to get a win. They still make the bigs if they're good enough

JMoff posted:

Stats, first pitcher gets the loss as you and I both know. W/L is a stat that has way too much passion tied to it. IMHO, one of the most worthless measures of pitching (especially relief pitching) in baseball.

Look at Minor League ball. The best prospects have losing records as they're all starting pitchers who only go 4-5 innings. If they're behind, they lose. If they're ahead, they don't pitch enough innings to get a win. They still make the bigs if they're good enough

As I said, I know who should get the loss by the book, but I have to hold my nose when I hang a L on the starter in this particular instance. There are some things in the book that when applied suck, but there’s nothing that says I have to like them.

I'm a pitcher's dad, so I feel your pain.  But, the fact that the starter gave up 4 runs and 3 more of his runners scored lessen the blow for me.  7 runs in less than 2 innings, he probably deserves the loss, even though the game took some other turns from there.  

What irks me about this process is a starter goes say 5 or 6 innings giving up 1 run and is behind 1-0 when he leaves.  Relievers give up another 5 and the team loses 6-5.  That's a tough loss to take because the starter pitched well.  But, this pitcher gave up a bunch of runs on his own, so I really don't see that he deserves anything but the loss.

bballman posted:

I'm a pitcher's dad, so I feel your pain.  But, the fact that the starter gave up 4 runs and 3 more of his runners scored lessen the blow for me.  7 runs in less than 2 innings, he probably deserves the loss, even though the game took some other turns from there.  

What irks me about this process is a starter goes say 5 or 6 innings giving up 1 run and is behind 1-0 when he leaves.  Relievers give up another 5 and the team loses 6-5.  That's a tough loss to take because the starter pitched well.  But, this pitcher gave up a bunch of runs on his own, so I really don't see that he deserves anything but the loss.

Actually, for me the problem isn’t in how winning and losing pitchers are chosen by the rules. The problem is choosing a winning or losing pitcher at all.