Low APR scores cost schools scholarships

This link indicates what schools are subject to penalties by sport.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/other/2006-03-01...rt_x.htm?POE=SPOISVA

Lots of big baseball programs on that list. How many scholarships do they lose?

Here is the list. It looks like Texas and Tenn will each lose 1.17 schollys for a year.

APR Penalties

This will certainly make a big impact on college recruiting.

I like it, now give coaches more accountiblity.

Been saying for years that GPA is just as important as BA, ERA.

TPM, I'd agree if GPA was related to the APR #'s

it may become a case of "be careful what you wish for"

there are already some schools that structure their rosters to max retaining players for 4 yrs by minumizing the use/exposure of underclassmen resulting in fewer jr yr good draft opportunities

that is likely were college baseball will be headed, imo
btw, I'm not saying it's a bad thing
but the fact is, jr draft losses hurt grad rates

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Bee>
The NCAA has made adjustments in their calculations to not penalize teams for players taken in the draft anymore. That's a non-factor in the equation.

The APR calculations will probably accomplish one major thing. It will end stock-piling ...

thanks, I just saw that

agree it will affect stockpiling, & also limit recruiting of marginal GPA atheletes

there is some god-awful APRs at some schools on the list - likely to affect job security as well

coach, AD, compliance, admissions, president?
I guess it depends on who gets caught holding the "buck" as it is passed down the line


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Am I correct in that the rules state that a program cannot be penalized more than 10% of it's scholarships?

Have not read the letter of the rule...but I'll play devils advocate if 1.17 would be the absolute maximum loss, wouldn't it have more bite if they went deeper say after a couple years of non-compliance?

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Observer44

You are correct ... and next year, there will be sufficient data for the NCAA to start imposing additional "Historical Based" penalties.

The historical based penalties are still being worked out, but could include:
1. Ban from post-season play
2. Additional scholarship losses
3. Fines and penalties

For anything other than additional scholarship losses, the program has to be in a pretty dismal state of affairs. I expect to see a dramatic improvement over the next couple of years.

I also expect to see the AD's granting less and less transfer requests. More players desiring to leave a program will have to sit a year.

HHH...

First....Is that because transfers are counted as non-graduates or because transfers are no longer under a schools control yet the first school is still responsible?...

How does the rule work in that respect?

Second...In terms of stockpiling, unless a school was under a scholarship loss it will not affect stockpiling will it?...in fact might it might increase it if indeed coaches are less willing to grant releases?...

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it will impact stockpiling because most stockpiled players even if not run off, will leave on their own for greener pastures

yes it would seem logical that AD's "might" get tighter with a release, but if the player transferring is forced to sit a yr, it hurts the player & still hurts the school he left


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If you leave for any reason other than signing a pro contract or graduating, then it will hurt the school.

1-2 transfers each year aren't a big deal ... the program can absorb them. You start looking at coaches who bring in 20+ players and, when spring roles around, less than 10 of them are on the roster, then these teams will be hurt.... and justifiably so.

I had posted this under general items and thought I would copy it over to hear


In reading the release one of the many scary parts to me is the following:

In the two-year aggregate APR, a total of 728 teams met the 925 benchmark only because of the squad-size adjustment. Lennon said institutions shouldn’t rely on the adjustment as a safety net.

“Teams that use the squad-size adjustment to escape penalty rather than improve their academic practices right away might find the ‘pay me later’ syndrome hard to accept,” Lennon said. “As more years of APR data become available, teams will find scores harder to change. For example, an APR of 890 with four years of data and no squad-size adjustment is a hard score to recover from when only one year of data changes each year in the four-year rolling average.”

Using the two-year aggregate APR as an example, the percentage of teams below 925 without the squad-size adjustment jumps from 3.4 percent to 15.4 percent. The difference is even more dramatic in certain sports — in men’s basketball, for example, only 37 teams (11.3 percent) fell below 925 with the squad-size adjustment included. Without it, that number goes to 137 (42 percent). In football, the jump is from 43 (18.3 percent) to 96 (40.9 percent); in baseball, it’s from 40 (14.1 percent) to 111 (39.2 percent).

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NoviceDad..

Do you have a link to that release?...would like to read the offical explaination, not just the "USA Today sound bite" version..

Beyond that could you explain the squad-size adjustment and maybe a scenerio....

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Originally posted by observer44:
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NoviceDad..

Do you have a link to that release?...would like to read the offical explaination, not just the "USA Today sound bite" version..

Beyond that could you explain the squad-size adjustment and maybe a scenerio....

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Here you go
NCAA Press release

School by school list


In regards to the squad size adjustment, I'm not sure of the specifics on how it is calculate but as the release discusses they are currently using a 2 yr aggregate, once they have 4 years of data it will that much harder to move the number, kind of like what I told my son about his GPA when he started HS, keep it up early!

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Originally posted by Bee>:
it will impact stockpiling because most stockpiled players even if not run off, will leave on their own for greener pastures.

Bee I think you are right except the question I have lets use Univ of South Carlina as an example.

They have a Roster of 42 and have a signing class of 18 (10 of which are RHP's). If you start cutting Roster size does this hurt your APR in the short term because you will lose a higher % of your kids? By the way USC has above the 925 in baseball.

hey, why are you asking me

I was going to ask you to define the "squad size adjustment"

a few thoughts tho,
the way compliance works - some guys on a large roster may never be counted by NCAA
if they are gone by the spring compliance date - (their $$ doesn't count until compliance date)
which btw shoots down the HHH theory about stockpiling being affected

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Will a schools APR not be affected if they run off their recruits before the season starts? Is that not the date scholarships count? Several schools use the fall as an open tryout and retain only the best incoming players and run the others off?

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Originally posted by Bee>:
hey, why are you asking me

I'm not asking u necessarily just throwing the question out there. It's just one more thing to be concerned about. It just worries me whenever the NCAA legislates anything from their ivory tower that affects the student athlete.

Here is a link to "Understanding Academic Progress Rate Reports" Also on the page is a Q&A document link.

Understanding Academic Progress Rate Reports

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Looks like some great NCAA Bedtime reading....

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I was reading somewhere todaythat Tulane and New Orleans were appealing their numbers based on players that may not have returned from last year... I would suspect they'll get some help.

Do coaches prefer correspondence via email, typed letters or handwritten letters? My son's handwriting is not the best, yet he does not want the coaches to feel that he is doing a "mass mailing".

Thanks for your input - dab