quote:Originally posted by Bum:
Let the tables turn.
Ok ya' Bum...which way dya' wanna' go?
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Ok ya' Bum...which way dya' wanna' go?
Ok ya' Bum...which way dya' wanna' go?
quote:I think some people take offense when the old timers (even though CAdad is one) speak negatively of the recruiting process.
Most of you have extremely talented sons who do not need to put themselves on the line because they are simply good enough.
Being an " Old Timer " on the HSBBW,....has NOTHING to do with our son's talent level.
It simply means we've posted ( aka: chatted ) ALOT.
That's it, plain and simple.
I hope a good nights sleep has calmed the waters a bit in this thread. Emotions were running high.
Sometimes its good to walk away from the computer for a while and then go back and slowly re-read the words written. Not always easy to do,..but sometimes well worth it.
quote:Originally posted by shortstopmom:quote:I think some people take offense when the old timers (even though CAdad is one) speak negatively of the recruiting process.
Most of you have extremely talented sons who do not need to put themselves on the line because they are simply good enough.
Being an " Old Timer " on the HSBBW,....has NOTHING to do with our son's talent level.
It simply means we've posted ( aka: chatted ) ALOT.
That's it, plain and simple.
That quote caught my eye as well ssmom and demonstrates how deeply the emotions run. I feel those emotions all the time with my son. I would suggest that many of our sons' talent is the ability to "put themselves on the line" everyday rather than simply being good enough. This thread has stirred up many emotions - excellent post infielddad
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Most of you have extremely talented sons who do not need to put themselves on the line because they are simply good enough.
I am glad that CD made a comment to the above. EVERY player, despite his talent level HAS to put himself on the line EVERYDAY to find success in this game.
Playing baseball is not a walk in the park, for anyone.
Most of you have extremely talented sons who do not need to put themselves on the line because they are simply good enough.
I am glad that CD made a comment to the above. EVERY player, despite his talent level HAS to put himself on the line EVERYDAY to find success in this game.
Playing baseball is not a walk in the park, for anyone.
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Leave it to the Woodman to add some timely perspective...
Right on Cue Woody!
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Leave it to the Woodman to add some timely perspective...
Right on Cue Woody!
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Hey 44...chalk it up...that pool table gets pretty good mileage too!
Have a good Independence Day.
Hey 44...chalk it up...that pool table gets pretty good mileage too!
Have a good Independence Day.
Just sittin' here 'chillaxin", and thinking back over the past few years...........
Especially to this part of the summer with the Area Code tryouts and the 7/1 contact date.
Yes, CADad, this is about your son.
My son.
And, now, more than 114,157 others, too.
I recall getting a clever mail piece that looked like an Area Code invitation. I threw it away.
Later, I learned there really was an Area Code tryout.
This was before I knew that official Area Code tryouts invitations came from high school coaches and MLB scout references.
I called Bob Williams. "I think I threw my son's invitation away." "Is he on the list?" "No. Should he be?" "Well, I was surprised that he is not............"
Got the invitation in the mail and headed off to Houston. Normal cast of travel team players there that had been playing one another for a few years now. About 200 in all. A ton of all varieties of scouts.
At the end of the day, I saw a very talented pitcher leaving with tears in his eyes (He's in the minor leagues now). Another catcher friend was selected (his second year to attend. He got drafted and now plays at UT and just got passed on in the 2008 MLB draft)
There was another red headed catcher, like my son, that would sign an NLI with Stanford in just a few weeks. He was later joined at Stanford by a catcher named Jeff Clement.
I saw another (unheard of and unlikely looking) young man) hit three off the wall with a wood bat and get the call to California. My son played against him in college.
Most of the maybe 100 pitchers threw to one batter.
Just 20 get to go to California.
Almost all of the 20 are from Houston.
My son didn't get a sniff.
Then an official invite to the Texas Scouts Association tryout at Minute Maid. Only about 50 boys. I saw a big 6'4" kid just hit balls out at will. (He became a star quaterback at OU)
Get in home just in time for all of the 7/1 calls.
Not one.
Not ever.
Then, about two weeks before the NLI deadline a call from a Big 12 coach. "We need a catcher" "Would your son consider coming to my school?"
"We have notes on him from the Area Code tryout and saw him at Minute Maid"
Never knew they were there.
Not a call during the 2004 MLB draft.
A near career ending knee injury in college.
Gave up on the 2007 draft after the 10th round.
Drafted in the 14th round.
Now, season ending shoulder surgery.
Of course none of these things matter, because I am an old timer (with cheese) and I have
Sorry, I embellished the quote a bit.
http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/inside_the_numbers.htm
Making the Pros
We will make some assumptions on the total numbers of players eligible each draft year.
High School Players @ 114,159 seniors
NCAA (4 year schools) @ 12,581 juniors & seniors
NJCAA (2 year schools) @ 11,520
COA (@ year schools) @ 2,175
That gives us 140,435 "draft eligible" players.
140,129/1,500 = 94
1 player in 94 will be selected in the Major League Baseball Draft
Playing in College
High School seniors = 114,159
College "seniors" (or sophomores when related to juco's) = 13,137
That means their are 114,159 graduating high seniors versus 13,137 slots open
114,159/13,137 = 10.1
1 high school player in every 10 has a chance to play in college.
Maybe 750-1500 of those 13,137 WILL GET A CHANCE to play at a top 100 school.
I would guess that less than 200 of those freshmen will see significant playing time.
The odds get more staggering every day.
The talent level is staggering.
Now is when your son will find out whether he can really play or not.
Now is when dad will find out whether his son can really play or not.
The music is playing.
Find a seat.
Especially to this part of the summer with the Area Code tryouts and the 7/1 contact date.
Yes, CADad, this is about your son.
My son.
And, now, more than 114,157 others, too.
I recall getting a clever mail piece that looked like an Area Code invitation. I threw it away.
Later, I learned there really was an Area Code tryout.
This was before I knew that official Area Code tryouts invitations came from high school coaches and MLB scout references.
I called Bob Williams. "I think I threw my son's invitation away." "Is he on the list?" "No. Should he be?" "Well, I was surprised that he is not............"
Got the invitation in the mail and headed off to Houston. Normal cast of travel team players there that had been playing one another for a few years now. About 200 in all. A ton of all varieties of scouts.
At the end of the day, I saw a very talented pitcher leaving with tears in his eyes (He's in the minor leagues now). Another catcher friend was selected (his second year to attend. He got drafted and now plays at UT and just got passed on in the 2008 MLB draft)
There was another red headed catcher, like my son, that would sign an NLI with Stanford in just a few weeks. He was later joined at Stanford by a catcher named Jeff Clement.
I saw another (unheard of and unlikely looking) young man) hit three off the wall with a wood bat and get the call to California. My son played against him in college.
Most of the maybe 100 pitchers threw to one batter.
Just 20 get to go to California.
Almost all of the 20 are from Houston.
My son didn't get a sniff.
Then an official invite to the Texas Scouts Association tryout at Minute Maid. Only about 50 boys. I saw a big 6'4" kid just hit balls out at will. (He became a star quaterback at OU)
Get in home just in time for all of the 7/1 calls.
Not one.
Not ever.
Then, about two weeks before the NLI deadline a call from a Big 12 coach. "We need a catcher" "Would your son consider coming to my school?"
"We have notes on him from the Area Code tryout and saw him at Minute Maid"
Never knew they were there.
Not a call during the 2004 MLB draft.
A near career ending knee injury in college.
Gave up on the 2007 draft after the 10th round.
Drafted in the 14th round.
Now, season ending shoulder surgery.
Of course none of these things matter, because I am an old timer (with cheese) and I have
quote:an extremely talented son that does not need to put himself on the line because he is simply good enough
Sorry, I embellished the quote a bit.
http://www.hsbaseballweb.com/inside_the_numbers.htm
Making the Pros
We will make some assumptions on the total numbers of players eligible each draft year.
High School Players @ 114,159 seniors
NCAA (4 year schools) @ 12,581 juniors & seniors
NJCAA (2 year schools) @ 11,520
COA (@ year schools) @ 2,175
That gives us 140,435 "draft eligible" players.
140,129/1,500 = 94
1 player in 94 will be selected in the Major League Baseball Draft
Playing in College
High School seniors = 114,159
College "seniors" (or sophomores when related to juco's) = 13,137
That means their are 114,159 graduating high seniors versus 13,137 slots open
114,159/13,137 = 10.1
1 high school player in every 10 has a chance to play in college.
Maybe 750-1500 of those 13,137 WILL GET A CHANCE to play at a top 100 school.
I would guess that less than 200 of those freshmen will see significant playing time.
The odds get more staggering every day.
The talent level is staggering.
Now is when your son will find out whether he can really play or not.
Now is when dad will find out whether his son can really play or not.
The music is playing.
Find a seat.
FO:
What a cool post.
What a cool post.
Nice reality check, FO
FO,
A very worthwhile post indeed!
Julie
A very worthwhile post indeed!
Julie
What a great thread this is. For me it is what HSBBW is all about. It is about the process. Learning from others opinions and experiences about the journey who have gone before.
My son is 1-2 years away from a Stanford type of experience and it answered all of my question.
Thanks CAdad!
PS: Happy 4th of July to all of the baseball players, parents, fans, of a truely American sport.
My son is 1-2 years away from a Stanford type of experience and it answered all of my question.
Thanks CAdad!
PS: Happy 4th of July to all of the baseball players, parents, fans, of a truely American sport.
FO,
Not bad for an Old Timer.
Not bad for an Old Timer.
Look my son was considered a propsect in HS but the recruiting trip was also a scary ride. Depsite what some think, he didn't have every top D1 all over him, in fact at first very few that he would have even considered being a good fit for him or them.
Climbing up the baseball ladder is not easy for anyone, the farther up you go the higher the stakes, more chance of injury, the more difficult the whole thing REALLY becomes.
Here's a young man, who you might all say has worked very hard to come so far yet having a very difficult time. You might not see the correlation, but this just goes to show you how frustrating every step of the way is and although only a few rungs up the ladder from some here, as an Old timer I understand.
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...l&fext=.jsp&c_id=col
Climbing up the baseball ladder is not easy for anyone, the farther up you go the higher the stakes, more chance of injury, the more difficult the whole thing REALLY becomes.
Here's a young man, who you might all say has worked very hard to come so far yet having a very difficult time. You might not see the correlation, but this just goes to show you how frustrating every step of the way is and although only a few rungs up the ladder from some here, as an Old timer I understand.
http://colorado.rockies.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20...l&fext=.jsp&c_id=col
FO - Thanks for sharing that story! Prime example of why you're one of the favorite fellas around here!! You have never handled your son's challenges with anything but grace and that's an example for us all to live by. 
Thank you all for the discussion about the camp in particular and recruiting expectations in general. It seems a lot of the questions I had about it were shared by other parents. Now some of those have been answered.
I beg to differ with what Coach Stotz said to the young men about academic requirements; namely, that, if you are a ballplayer with a 3.7GPA and an 1850 SAT, you should be looking at schools like USF (University of San Francisco). I mean no disrespect to USF, but with those scores, I would try and convince my son to set his sights a little higher. Getting admitted to any school involves more than just GPA & SAT but having said that, 3.7 and 1850 will make you viable for UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara, Cal Poly, San Louis Obispo. These are all highly regarded universities and colleges, (with the exception of San Diego, all D-1) which provide every bit the quality education provided by Stanford. I’ll bet there are a lot more out there for 3.7/1850.
I bring this up because students and parents are too often intimidated and discouraged by what may seem to be insurmountable “facts.” Just as in baseball: do not settle for less! For scores of freshman entering the UC’s see http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/default.aspx
I beg to differ with what Coach Stotz said to the young men about academic requirements; namely, that, if you are a ballplayer with a 3.7GPA and an 1850 SAT, you should be looking at schools like USF (University of San Francisco). I mean no disrespect to USF, but with those scores, I would try and convince my son to set his sights a little higher. Getting admitted to any school involves more than just GPA & SAT but having said that, 3.7 and 1850 will make you viable for UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, UC Santa Barbara, Cal Poly, San Louis Obispo. These are all highly regarded universities and colleges, (with the exception of San Diego, all D-1) which provide every bit the quality education provided by Stanford. I’ll bet there are a lot more out there for 3.7/1850.
I bring this up because students and parents are too often intimidated and discouraged by what may seem to be insurmountable “facts.” Just as in baseball: do not settle for less! For scores of freshman entering the UC’s see http://statfinder.ucop.edu/statfinder/default.aspx
When you have scores and a GPA like those mentioned here I recommend you allow the school of your choice to tell you that you cannot get in--let them determine it---you can never tell
TR, agree all the way on that call. Especially for athletes, strings are often pulled to help grease the admissions process somewhat (varies of course from school to school). Apply and let the chips fall. I believe most online application processes for schools are now free, so why not shoot for the stars?
quote:...strings are often pulled to help grease the admissions process somewhat...
I agree with TR too. But Krak, I'm not meaning to pick on you here, but I really don't look at it in the way you mentioned above.
At least in some of the more competitive admissions schools' case...it is the total package that makes up a good applicant.
Many straight-A, 4.3+ HS students are turned down every year at Stanford, Ivies, Duke, etc... Why? Not to make room for football players, per se, but to provide balance to their incoming freshman class, which might include athletes, accomplished musicians and genious mathemeticians who can't spell their names (and thus lower SAT verbal scores).
I remember my son having lab partners in a class a couple of years ago...not athletes. They wanted to meet for lab in the afternoon...'no-go' for him (practice). Initially they were peeved that a "sport" would get in the way of school...but over time I think they came to appreciate his tight schedule and to appreciate that there was more to life than the purely academic side.
Stanford does not allow athletes to room together freshman year and I think that is for the benefit of both the athlete and the non-athlete. While that particular rule ended up being kind of a mess for our son, overall its a really good system. Did you know that Coach Marquess' roommate his freshman year at Stanford was Mit Romney (later transferred to BYU)? Pretty cool - huh (independent of your politics)?
I think this is what the admissions offices are trying to attain. Some of the very best of multiple worlds mixed together helping each other grow (up).
No 'picking' felt here, jbb! Thanks for 'fleshing out' the notion I was getting at.
Fuddman,
Each school would be a terrific choice from the educational perspective. However, when one looks at them from the baseball and educational aspects, one quickly recognizes each school is highly competitive for admissions. I would bet there are probably 20 highly qualified applicants for each position in the freshman class and it isn't any different, maybe even more competitive for baseball.
When you figure that each team has 5-8 openings per year, I would venture that each team has upwards of 200 very good baseball players who can meet the admissions requirements.
My point is that those schools are options only if you are a very top student and an equally talented, if not more talented, baseball player. And then, for at least one of those schools, you need the coaching staff to recognize your abilities in baseball and in the classroom, and return a phone call or email...and that isn't easy.
Each school would be a terrific choice from the educational perspective. However, when one looks at them from the baseball and educational aspects, one quickly recognizes each school is highly competitive for admissions. I would bet there are probably 20 highly qualified applicants for each position in the freshman class and it isn't any different, maybe even more competitive for baseball.
When you figure that each team has 5-8 openings per year, I would venture that each team has upwards of 200 very good baseball players who can meet the admissions requirements.
My point is that those schools are options only if you are a very top student and an equally talented, if not more talented, baseball player. And then, for at least one of those schools, you need the coaching staff to recognize your abilities in baseball and in the classroom, and return a phone call or email...and that isn't easy.
infielddad:
With regard to the University of California schools I referred to in my post, you wrote: “….those schools are options only if you are a very top student….”
Using UC Santa Barbara as an example:
In 2007, UC Santa Barbara admitted 905 freshmen whose GPA was between 3.00 and 3.39. Of those, 364 achieved a highest SAT score between 500 and 599. I mean no disrespect to these young men and women, many of whom are right now working hard earning a degree at this very fine institution. However, these scores are not, in my mind, the scores of a very top high school student. Instead, these are scores which are attainable by most students. I urge you not to take your son or daughter out of the running for a great school based on what you have heard. Do your own research, and then you may find that, with a little motivation and some prodding, a lot is possible.
But, will they play baseball at UC Santa Barbara? This question takes me back to the Stanford camp and an opportunity we missed. Someone else brought up this point before but I think it’s worth repeating. We should have tried to get my son on the team coached by a coach from the school he is interested in attending. I am reasonably sure all it would have taken was a phone call. Instead, he was looked at by coaches from schools he has never shown interest in going to. Under the very large assumption he is eventually approached by one of those schools, what if that school did not offer the major he is interested in? Going back to the original question, I would recommend ballplayers (along with their parents) find the schools that meet both their academic and athletic needs and focus their time, effort and money in trying to get a roster spot on those.
With regard to the University of California schools I referred to in my post, you wrote: “….those schools are options only if you are a very top student….”
Using UC Santa Barbara as an example:
In 2007, UC Santa Barbara admitted 905 freshmen whose GPA was between 3.00 and 3.39. Of those, 364 achieved a highest SAT score between 500 and 599. I mean no disrespect to these young men and women, many of whom are right now working hard earning a degree at this very fine institution. However, these scores are not, in my mind, the scores of a very top high school student. Instead, these are scores which are attainable by most students. I urge you not to take your son or daughter out of the running for a great school based on what you have heard. Do your own research, and then you may find that, with a little motivation and some prodding, a lot is possible.
But, will they play baseball at UC Santa Barbara? This question takes me back to the Stanford camp and an opportunity we missed. Someone else brought up this point before but I think it’s worth repeating. We should have tried to get my son on the team coached by a coach from the school he is interested in attending. I am reasonably sure all it would have taken was a phone call. Instead, he was looked at by coaches from schools he has never shown interest in going to. Under the very large assumption he is eventually approached by one of those schools, what if that school did not offer the major he is interested in? Going back to the original question, I would recommend ballplayers (along with their parents) find the schools that meet both their academic and athletic needs and focus their time, effort and money in trying to get a roster spot on those.
Fuddman,
While, in general, I would like to agree with you, unless your son is a very, very top player, the idea of "picking" your coach and college, and the idea of going where you are interested...and playing, just does not work in college baseball, except for a few.
There are only certain players who will be picking their college coach and the school they attend. They will be the players at the very top end of the talent pool. For the other 90-95 or so percent, the Stanford Camp is an eye opening experience about the opportunities to play college ball around the United States.
In 1999, we thought our son was one of those top players. He certainly had the SAT's. He also had a very fine GPA, but it came from one of the most demanding college prep schools anywhere, so it wasn't a 3.75 GPA.
I completely agree with you that your child should not be taken out of the running at many schools if they have solid academics and SAT's. Everyone needs reach schools, and baseball can make some difference at many in terms of acceptance.
But, if you are a 3.00 of the type you are describing, and the staff at UCSB, or any other UC school, isn't strongly supporting your application, your chances of admission decrease. If they don't support your admission, and you still get admitted, your chances of playing decreases, or is non existent.
To take our son for example, the coaches at the Stanford Camp, other than one, apparently took the view that he was in that 90 percent pool of talent and that was especially true of the UC programs that he so desperately wanted to attend.
But one coach saw something different and he attended one of the top academic programs in the nation with one of the best baseball programs available, even though at the DIII level. At the time of the Stanford Camp, we didn't even know of the school.
By the time he graduated 4 years later, he was in the top 5% to 10% of the players available, since he did get drafted.
My view is the Stanford Camp is indeed about exposure. For the very top talents, it is about exposure to schools that want you and will do what they need to recruit you. For the balance, the 90 or so percent, it is about exposure to schools you never knew existed, that have great academics, great baseball and who can make those 4 years in college unforgettable and provide a terrific degree...and they are not UC programs that have 20 applicants for each admission slot.
While, in general, I would like to agree with you, unless your son is a very, very top player, the idea of "picking" your coach and college, and the idea of going where you are interested...and playing, just does not work in college baseball, except for a few.
There are only certain players who will be picking their college coach and the school they attend. They will be the players at the very top end of the talent pool. For the other 90-95 or so percent, the Stanford Camp is an eye opening experience about the opportunities to play college ball around the United States.
In 1999, we thought our son was one of those top players. He certainly had the SAT's. He also had a very fine GPA, but it came from one of the most demanding college prep schools anywhere, so it wasn't a 3.75 GPA.
I completely agree with you that your child should not be taken out of the running at many schools if they have solid academics and SAT's. Everyone needs reach schools, and baseball can make some difference at many in terms of acceptance.
But, if you are a 3.00 of the type you are describing, and the staff at UCSB, or any other UC school, isn't strongly supporting your application, your chances of admission decrease. If they don't support your admission, and you still get admitted, your chances of playing decreases, or is non existent.
To take our son for example, the coaches at the Stanford Camp, other than one, apparently took the view that he was in that 90 percent pool of talent and that was especially true of the UC programs that he so desperately wanted to attend.
But one coach saw something different and he attended one of the top academic programs in the nation with one of the best baseball programs available, even though at the DIII level. At the time of the Stanford Camp, we didn't even know of the school.
By the time he graduated 4 years later, he was in the top 5% to 10% of the players available, since he did get drafted.
My view is the Stanford Camp is indeed about exposure. For the very top talents, it is about exposure to schools that want you and will do what they need to recruit you. For the balance, the 90 or so percent, it is about exposure to schools you never knew existed, that have great academics, great baseball and who can make those 4 years in college unforgettable and provide a terrific degree...and they are not UC programs that have 20 applicants for each admission slot.
Here's the deal. In my experience as the father of a DI Ivy league athlete and a DIII athlete at a small liberal arts college, it is exponentially harder to match athletic ability and academics if the student has outstanding test scores and grades, regardless of talent. If the emphasis is academics, as it should be, then mid level athleticism becomes a problem because the pool of schools that will match academically will be very small. If your focus is baseball, you will be able to play somewhere no matter your academic status and athletic ability. The most important lesson my children learned throughout the whole process was to never give up.
Lot of good points made here for the recruiting process.
There was one school recruiting and very interested in son, academic standards extrememly high, I know he wasn't being recuited for his academic and test scores (though a good student). By academic standards he could have been considered one of those "bubble" students. He also was being recruited by a few schools where admittance would have taken place without baseball. In rethinking the process (didn't have all of this info at the time), it was apparant that he needed to find a program that he fit into for academics and baseball. That left him with 3 strong choices by end of August, one withdrew their official visit and offer (yes it happens to everyone). Coaches have to recruit players as the total package (not always by academic standards or baseball standards) strongly because they have to find the balance. You can't have a team with all below average academic players yet all above average talent, or the same with above average academics and below average talent. Especailly these days with more demands of team GPA and to get to post season and have a successful season by winning more games than you lost. Most likely the best and most successful teams out there are ones that you will find every type of player mentioned above. This is why it becomes so perplexing to us, why one is recruited to one program and why another is not. We don't always understand this but players often times know why some made the team and why others did not. The coach needs to find the balance and they understand that balance more than we do. The purpose of going to school is to get your degree, and although coaches stress that importance, they often know what player will get better results on the field and which one more in tbe classroom.
If you are an extremely talented player and highly motivated and gifted student, you have choices.
There was one school recruiting and very interested in son, academic standards extrememly high, I know he wasn't being recuited for his academic and test scores (though a good student). By academic standards he could have been considered one of those "bubble" students. He also was being recruited by a few schools where admittance would have taken place without baseball. In rethinking the process (didn't have all of this info at the time), it was apparant that he needed to find a program that he fit into for academics and baseball. That left him with 3 strong choices by end of August, one withdrew their official visit and offer (yes it happens to everyone). Coaches have to recruit players as the total package (not always by academic standards or baseball standards) strongly because they have to find the balance. You can't have a team with all below average academic players yet all above average talent, or the same with above average academics and below average talent. Especailly these days with more demands of team GPA and to get to post season and have a successful season by winning more games than you lost. Most likely the best and most successful teams out there are ones that you will find every type of player mentioned above. This is why it becomes so perplexing to us, why one is recruited to one program and why another is not. We don't always understand this but players often times know why some made the team and why others did not. The coach needs to find the balance and they understand that balance more than we do. The purpose of going to school is to get your degree, and although coaches stress that importance, they often know what player will get better results on the field and which one more in tbe classroom.
If you are an extremely talented player and highly motivated and gifted student, you have choices.
Since there has been talk about Stanford academics and SAT scores I thought I would throw this link on the board. In our neck of the woods it is much more common to take the ACT rather than the SAT.
You can probably find info about any college on this link.
Stanford info
You can probably find info about any college on this link.
Stanford info
Fuddman said: In 2007, UC Santa Barbara admitted 905 freshmen whose GPA was between 3.00 and 3.39. Of those, 364 achieved a highest SAT score between 500 and 599.
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My oldest son is a SR in Economics at UCSB...no offense taken. And I'm happy to say he did much better than your posted examples in all categories.
My baseball player is a Sr at a private college
JMO
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My oldest son is a SR in Economics at UCSB...no offense taken. And I'm happy to say he did much better than your posted examples in all categories.
My baseball player is a Sr at a private college
JMO
A word to the wise: my son did area code tryouts the day before shipping out to the Stanford camp and was pretty tired (particularly his arm) for much of the time he was out there. I wouldn't try that schedule again if I had a do-over.
When I agreed to sign my son up for camp, it was for the specific purpose of letting him attend a well run camp at the best university on the West Coast, and secondarily to get some baseball exposure. At the time, we didn't know where he fit from a college baseball perspective (other than had solid academics), and were pleased that a wide array of solid academic schools (D1-D3, NAIA) would attend.
My son loved staying in the dorms, and having a "college" experience. The coaches are all upbeat and positive, help the kids keep baseball in perspective, and he also came away having made a lot of new friends from around the country.
The Stanford coaches are very conscientious about delivering value to everyone, and for us the primary value was the overall experience of spending several days at a world class university, in a postive, uplifting environment.
Even though it now turns out my son is a solid D1 prospect, we didn't know it at the time we signed up, and we would do it all over again even if he wasn't a prospect. It's a great time and a great experience.
My son loved staying in the dorms, and having a "college" experience. The coaches are all upbeat and positive, help the kids keep baseball in perspective, and he also came away having made a lot of new friends from around the country.
The Stanford coaches are very conscientious about delivering value to everyone, and for us the primary value was the overall experience of spending several days at a world class university, in a postive, uplifting environment.
Even though it now turns out my son is a solid D1 prospect, we didn't know it at the time we signed up, and we would do it all over again even if he wasn't a prospect. It's a great time and a great experience.
I know this will be at the very least edited if not totally expunged but this thread has begun to show what this site has become--- there are people on here who like to "drive stakes home"---it is not like it used to be---now you cannot even post in public without it being copied and sent where is should not be---it is not even a case of agreeing or not agreeing with the post but more a case of lack of respect for another poster---what ever happened to good old mature adult debate and verbal sparring---perhaps the adults are not mature enough to do that not to mention all too many take it all too personal
Moderators----post this !!!!!!!
Moderators----post this !!!!!!!