Metro Elite Tournament (18U)

July 14 had the feeling of summer ball that all should have felt in June. Lots of fun and alot of talent that we all should have had the opportunity to watch. Hopefully mother nature will cooperate to send the O7's off and the opportunity for 08's to showcase their talents. The next 2 weeks should be FUN.

I agree with you Clemente with mother nature needing to cooperate with us. But i dont agree with the 08 class showing there talents. **edited by moderator -- please refrain from criticizing specific players by name** If i did that my father Enrique would beat me with a switch until it broke.

I have been a long time observer of these message boards, but just recently decided to share my opinions online. I have always enjoyed following summer baseball, especially the good programs (Tigers, DBAT, Mustangs, Marshalls, Frozen Ropes Blue Sox ) and watching the supposed "studs" from high school ball all get together and play eachother. However, I will have to agree with diamond pro in that there are a lot of overrated 08's, and they have huge egos as well. I saw a Dallas Mustangs team that was heavily senior led, behind the bats of 07 Casey Johnson and 07 Michael Choice and 07 Dan Evatt. None of their 08's impressed me with the bat, and their little act of throwing their hats after their third homerun in a row was completely out of line. I'm not trying to rain on the 08's parade, but I just haven't seen as much talent as in the '07 class such as Beavan, Green, Reid, Hill, Workman, Thomas, Stafford, Fleece, Pair, Bruening, and Doran, and that is only the pitchers from that class. However, these are all just my opinions so I apologize if I hurt any feelings. BTW, diamond pro, I hope the thing with Enrique doesn't end up bloody.

There are some decent '08s that don't actually play on the Mustangs.

I thought bashing individual players was out of line here. I think this topic should be cleaned up.

PD - did you take the broom to Atlanta with you?

ARF is correct, please refrain from negative comments about individual players. I'll allow L&C to clean up his own post....and if not, I will do it once we return from today's games. Although we all enjoy colorful discussion about the teams and kids we know, the purpose of the site is to promote HS baseball -- not to criticize teenagers. If you want to discuss behavior and specific incidents, the comments should be generic when it comes to naming players. We all know someone that we can call if details are important to us. Thanks.

Concerning the reports from JAFO, I understand there were college coaches at the games --- seems some kids would want to be on their best behavior.

Wow! I'm relatively new to this board having been introduced to it a couple of months ago by a friend. The single most impressive thing to me in monitoring the board during that time has been the quality, tone and tenor exhibited by virtually every poster. In my view, the board moderators and frequent poster do a fantastic job of keeping the tone positive while also ensuring meaningful information is being shared.

Now to the content of my first of what will be infrequent posts....again, wow! DiamondPro's post is so inappropriate, or maybe better said, so out of character with the nature and spirit of this board, I was stunned to read it. I know most of the '08s referenced in your post and those of subsequent posters and I couldn't disagree more with your characterization of them -- for example, Nico Taylor is one of the classiest kids I've been around. Moreover, it doesn't really matter whether your characterization is accurate or not, that type of post adds nothing to the quality of information being shared, or further what I perceive the purpose of this board to be.

Lastly, I'd add that at least some of the facts around the events cited are inaccurate, misleading or taken out of context. In this case I think posters might want to exhibit some of the class that they're all too quick to criticize 17 year old kids for not having.

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I thought bashing individual players was out of line here.

If its not it should be. Bash the 18 and overs, not the 18 and unders.

If you are an 08 and took what Lavender and Diamond said to heart, dont worry. Anyone who will judge you on a bad game or weekend dosnt understand the failure involved in this game, and is not qualified to pass judgment on you or anybody else in regards to baseball. Trust the opinions of the professional scouts and coaches that selected you for the AC games.

Riders -- I am out of town with my son's baseball team -- and it's difficult to moderate 24x7. I'll take action, when needed. I hope everyone understands that there will be many that criticize my involvement.

DP4E,,LaC,, Every player has there moments,(some more than others...some a lot more) but negatively singling out a player is very wrong!!!!

If you don't like there behavior wait till the end of the game and respectfully tell thier coach or parents how YOU feel. I have done that to two H.S, coaches (and too many umpires ) in the long run they tend to respect that...

**editied by moderator -- while I'm editing, I thought I might as well include this post**

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BTW... if DBAT players were singled out would the post still be there? PD?

I'd handle it the same way I will this one, John G. -- thanks, as always, for your advice on moderating. Oh, and I appreciate your back-handed slaps at DBAT -- your posts wouldn't be the same without them. Telling that the DBAT kids are seldom "singled out" -- must say something, eh? As for my affiliation on this site -- GO PANTHERS!

Randall Thorpe just yesterday hit a bomb with a wood bat...I think Kaleb Merck was taken more for his arm than his bat if I'm not mistaken. There are ego issues but you can not judge players based off of one game...I think the two posts bashing players, though they are entitled to opinions should be moderated or at least names taken out...you never know who reads these forums.

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Nico Taylor is one of the classiest kids I've been around.

I have been a witness to multiple balls being somehow mysteriously tracked down by an amazing center fielder... his name is Randall Thorpe. He's saved my butt many times. Not to mention, he hits 4-5 hole for us...

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Originally posted by DBAT GM:
Round robin tournament results through today.....


FRIDAY

DBAT 18 d. Dallas Tigers 18 (8-6)
Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter d. TX Blackhawks 18 (3-2)
Dallas Tigers 18 tied Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter (6-6)
LH Wildcats d. McKinney Marshals (12-2)


SATURDAY

DBAT 18 d. Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter (7-3)
DBAT 18 d. McKinney Marshals 18 (4-3)
Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter d. McKinney Marshals 18 (12-2)
LH Wildcats d. TX Blackhawks 18 (7-0)
Dallas Tigers 18 d. LH Wildcats (9-8)
Dallas Tigers 18 d. TX Blackhawks 18 (13-3)

Just in case some of you posters forgot what this thread was about!

Thanks all for your concerns about moderation on this topic. Some of you understand little about human nature. If you or your homies continue to come here and talk-up your favorite players, then there will be some that can't wait for them to fail ---- and those few will have pleasure in pointing out their failures. At that point, it's all up to me to moderate, eh? I recently received my monthly paycheck for moderating -- three figures! $0.00.

I agree with those of you that point out that these strong players will not be judged on a single game or even on a group of games. The HS kids are being "judged" on tools. And the ones mentioned in a negative light in earlier (now edited) posts have tools.

Have a happy Sunday ---- oh, and thanks for sending the liquid to Atlanta.

Thanks TAB for reminding us --- I can't wait to see results from today's games.

PD

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I recently received my monthly paycheck for moderating -- three figures! $0.00.

But at least they double your salary every year!

Only the CEO makes less!

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there will be some that can't wait for them to fail

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and those few will have pleasure in pointing out their failures.

Just ain't right, is it FO?

Im sorry if i upset anyone with my latest post. That was the last thing I was trying to do. I apologize to these great athletes and there organizations. I will choose my words carefully next time.

Now back to the topic at hand. The 2nd METRO Classic was a great tournament this weekend as a tune up for the AABC State and the Premier 18U World Series. Thanks to the Mustangs, Blackhawks, Marshals, LH Wildcats, Tigers and DBAT for their participation. Witnesssed some great games this weekend; the AABC Tournaments leading up to the Connie Mack World Series should be some very competitive games.

Rumor has it, manager got tossed, 3rd base coach got tossed, SS got tossed and 3rd base coach off spring got tossed.

But I wasn't there. Again must be at least a little truth here.


JAFO,
If this is directed at the Mustangs and you are implying that any of this happened in the Mustangs game against the Marshals, you should be ashamed of yourself for FALSELY implicating all of these people. In fact, there were NO Mustangs personnel of any kind tossed from the game. I suggest that you keep your unfounded accusations and gossip to yourself unless you actually witness something happening.

As for the earlier post about one of the Mustang players "classless" scoring from second on a passed ball, the situation was 2 outs with a 3-2 count and the runners were going. The Mustang on second was nearly to third when the pitch went past the catcher. The Marshals pitcher failed to cover home and the Mustang player never stopped running on what was an instinctive, hustling play.

There was one ejection during the tournament and it was not a Mustang player, representative or coach.

And that ejection was un-called for. You would think that for the metro classic we could get better umpires. That specific umpire is on a power trip.
JMHO

I did not see Bryan Dixon does he still play for the Mustangs? If so How is he Throwing?

Thanks Uncle E.....taken care of.

FRIDAY

DBAT 18 d. Dallas Tigers 18 (8-6)
Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter d. TX Blackhawks 18 (3-2)
Dallas Tigers 18 tied Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter (6-6)
LH Wildcats d. McKinney Marshals (12-2)


SATURDAY

DBAT 18 d. Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter (7-3)
DBAT 18 d. McKinney Marshals 18 (4-3)
Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter d. McKinney Marshals 18 (12-2)
LH Wildcats d. TX Blackhawks 18 (7-0)
Dallas Tigers 18 d. LH Wildcats (9-8)
Dallas Tigers 18 d. TX Blackhawks 18 (13-3)


SUNDAY

DBAT 18 d. LH Wildcats (12-5)
DBAT 18 tied TX Blackhawks 18 (4-4)
TX Blackhawks 18 vs. McKinney Marshals (?)
Dallas Tigers 18 vs. McKinney Marshals (?)
LH Wildcats vs. Dallas Mustangs-Carpenter (?)

I wonder what the LH Wildcats are going to do now that they have run out of qualifiers to try and win??

Marshals beat the Tigers and then lost 4-3 to the Blackhawks. I dont know about the Cats and Mustangs...

L & C,

Do you have a son on the LH Wildcat team?

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Originally posted by Lavender and Cream:
I wonder what the LH Wildcats are going to do now that they have run out of qualifiers to try and win??

LH has gone to Farmington through the traditional route. They just happen to win the first qualifier for Connie Mack last year.

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The Marshals pitcher failed to cover home and the Mustang player never stopped running on what was an instinctive, hustling play.

A hustling play in a close game, yet a classless play when it is nearly a run rule.

Sometimes players get caught up and forget about the unwritten rules (e.g., taking home in a blowout game). It doesn't necessarily mean that the club, coach or player are bad. It happens. Get over it.

Had the pitcher had his head in the game and done his assignment, it never would have happened.

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A hustling play in a close game, yet a classless play when it is nearly a run rule.

Can you say ....."saving pitching?"

PD
Hi - enjoy your posts and thanks for moderating
Kinda new at this
When u say Panthers I am curious

Colleyville? Fossil Ridge? or some other great cat team?

cutter1,
I suspect PD is busy trying to get home and get PD Son settled in. PD is speaking of the Plano East Senior High School Panthers or PESH as it is commonly known. By the way, is the PESH field the hottest one in North Texas in the summer? Place is a sauna with no breeze whatsoever.

Lavender and Cream,
I tell you what. I will agree to binding arbitration on this issue - will you? The Mustang player who scored was a HS teammate of Former Observer Son #2, who was catching for the Marshals. I would guess that makes FO in a position to be as unbiased as anyone. Therefore, I will bow to his wisdom in this case. What say you FO?