Just wanted to note, especially given one of the posts above, this does not just happen at big time high profile progams. Same day as the Miami FLI fiasco a major fight broke out at the end of the Dartmouth-Holy Cross game, during the hand shake line at game end. Rather than handshakes, fists were thrown a near riot broke out and many arrests were made. Seems not unlike the little bow the FLI player made incensing the Miami players, a Holy Cross player did a little dance on the Dartmouth "D" at mid-field and all he** broke loose.
Sad to say, in our local Little League District the teams at the Senior league level no longer conduct handshake lines because of too many fights breaking out.
This is the trash talking, don't "dis" me, give me my "props" generation where sticks and stones may break your bones, but say the wrong word, flash a (gang) sign, be in the wrong neighborhood and your dead. Players now wear their area code on their eye black, that is a part of gang affiliation and recognition in manyu instances.
this Miami game, as well as the Dartmouth/Holy Cross game is just indicative of a bigger problem of violence in a generation that is very much out of control in far too many respects.
Its wacky out there. I am looking to transition to telecommuting to avoid road rage stuff.
G Dog in the 407
G Dog in the 407
Maybe this has been said, I don't have time to read all 45 posts on this topic.
But I have seen the fight on ESPN a couple dozen times but saw something tonight I hadn't noticed before.
Behind the fight scene, right where #26 is swinging his helmet, the Miami cheerleaders run through the endzone with the huge M I A M I flags.
They're running around with the flags DURING the fight? Should they be suspended too?
Actually, male cheerleaders SHOULD be suspended, just because.
But I have seen the fight on ESPN a couple dozen times but saw something tonight I hadn't noticed before.
Behind the fight scene, right where #26 is swinging his helmet, the Miami cheerleaders run through the endzone with the huge M I A M I flags.
They're running around with the flags DURING the fight? Should they be suspended too?
Actually, male cheerleaders SHOULD be suspended, just because.
I saw the flags as well, were they running to get out of Dodge?
This mess may just be good for college sports: it has brought front and center this whole business of "swagger", trash-talking, in your face, dancing, preening, yadda yadda yadda, which you didn't see 25 years ago. Players have always talked on the field (one of my favorite college football memories was hearing an All American wideout look up and see single coverage and yell "hey dude, you better get some help", then burned him for an 80 yard score), but it was only audible on the field, not sticking your face in somebody's chops, and not showing off for the ESPN cameras.
And while we're mentioning the Holy Grail of TV sports, isn't it THEIR announcers who do all this talk about "swagger", and then act shocked when the "swagger" escalates?
Hopefully this whole mess will serve a good purpose. My Hokies' head coach supposedly laid down the law to our prancing, dancing, trash- talking football idiots, long overdue, so I hope it helps.
And while we're mentioning the Holy Grail of TV sports, isn't it THEIR announcers who do all this talk about "swagger", and then act shocked when the "swagger" escalates?
Hopefully this whole mess will serve a good purpose. My Hokies' head coach supposedly laid down the law to our prancing, dancing, trash- talking football idiots, long overdue, so I hope it helps.
And people ask me why I don't watch football....
Now - to be honest, a good bench clearing baseball brawl is a lot different. I guess it's because there is really so little overt 'swagger', trash talk, etc. in the game. Perhaps most of us would admit seeing Nolan Ryan pounding the guy that was stupid enough to charge the mound brings us to our feet with a cheer....
Maybe a new topic :
A) Who admits seeing a baseball brawl does NOT invoke the same reaction as what happened in this game?
B) Why?
C) Should male cheerleaders be suspended "just because"? (Hmmm.....maybe!)
Now - to be honest, a good bench clearing baseball brawl is a lot different. I guess it's because there is really so little overt 'swagger', trash talk, etc. in the game. Perhaps most of us would admit seeing Nolan Ryan pounding the guy that was stupid enough to charge the mound brings us to our feet with a cheer....
Maybe a new topic :
A) Who admits seeing a baseball brawl does NOT invoke the same reaction as what happened in this game?
B) Why?
C) Should male cheerleaders be suspended "just because"? (Hmmm.....maybe!)
quote:Should male cheerleaders be suspended "just because"? (Hmmm.....maybe!)
Hmmmmmm. I've personally never had much use for cheerleaders, however... When I was at school one of my fraternity brothers was a cheerleader - he was never lacking for a hot date.
OK, back to the original topic. It seems that the refs, in the past few years, have started tolerating more and more 'showmanship'. Besides the coaching staffs and school administrations not putting up with street thug behavior, a few well placed personal fouls would help get the point across also.
I don't know why this should surprise anyone. Watch the camera views from the sidelines at most college and pro games. What do you see? Players flashing gang signs. It goes on all the time. Look at how athletes are given special treatment beginning in high school. Adult treating high school athletes like they are something special. Then when they do something stupid, everyone acts surprised and asks how this could happen. It makes me sick. Most of the players from this weekend will fit in nicely in the NFL. Or the NBA. If I was the athletic director, none of them would see another university athletic facility. If the coaches don't handle it, they can go to. Where's the NCAA now? Making more rules restricting baseball I imagine.
no-e2,
I guess I wouldn't know a "gang sign" if I saw one. Do they really do this?
One of the problems baseball faces is that many of the NCAA rules are made to deal with football and basketball and then go into affect for baseball. You can be sure the NCAA is keeping an eye on the Miami/FIU situation. But the actual penalties to the players or coaches must come from the College administrators.
I'm not claiming that any of this is right, but I believe that's the way it works.
I guess I wouldn't know a "gang sign" if I saw one. Do they really do this?
One of the problems baseball faces is that many of the NCAA rules are made to deal with football and basketball and then go into affect for baseball. You can be sure the NCAA is keeping an eye on the Miami/FIU situation. But the actual penalties to the players or coaches must come from the College administrators.
I'm not claiming that any of this is right, but I believe that's the way it works.
quote:Where's the NCAA now? Making more rules restricting baseball I imagine.
Actually, the NCAA is busy performing that very valuable function of regulating the mascots.
Let me correct my wording slightly. I made a mistake in an attempt at brevity. You use to see players wave at "Mom" or give the #1 sign. Now you will see them, like someone else posted, giving their props to their neighborhood. Eastside or Westside. To look gang like.
quote:hokieone posted:
Players have always talked on the field
I know you include the diamond. Lots of chatty folk there, from t-ball to the Show.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:quote:hokieone posted:
Players have always talked on the field
I know you include the diamond. Lots of chatty folk there, from t-ball to the Show.
There are some catchers who are the worst!
HR, It's just a chatfest out there....
PG you are correct, schools police their own and the NCAA is just busy counting $$ and worrying about mascots.
Sick of this Miami/FIU stuff,which has been going on for DAYS down here and around the country.
Here's a better story!
Sports
Al Golden, Temple make difference with help off-field
Joey Mancini, Cavalier Daily Columnist
When Al Golden became Temple's head coach after leaving Virginia last winter, he talked about how his players would be student-athletes. They would sit in the front of class. They would introduce themselves to professors. Golden went on to emphasize character, on and off the football field.
Prior to Temple's loss last Thursday to Clemson, Golden gave a letter to Clemson coach Tommy Bowden indicating that his team would donate $1,500 to the Fahmarr McElrathbey Trust Fund. Fahmarr, the trust's namesake, is the younger brother of Clemson redshirt freshman defensive back Ray Ray McElrathbey.
Over the last month, the McElrathbey have made national headlines with their inspiring story. Last summer, 20-year-old Ray Ray took temporary custody of 11-year-old Fahmarr because their mother is a drug addict. The brothers live in an off-campus apartment at Clemson while Ray Ray learns on the fly how to be a parent. Recently, the NCAA granted a waiver allowing Clemson to set up a trust fund for Fahmarr to provide for basic needs such as food and clothing.
Al Golden's Temple Owls donated $1,500 to the fund before they lost to Clemson 63-9 last week.
"Our team voted to donate one week's game per diem to help you and your brother. It was a unanimous decision," Golden wrote to Ray Ray in the letter, distributed in the press box during the game.
"What you are doing will not only impact your life and Fahmarr's but many more people that you are an inspiration to," Golden wrote. "Your unselfish actions have not only shown a very positive light on you and your family but to all of college football."
Golden wasn't lying when he came to Temple and said that his student-athletes would develop character. For that, the first-year coach and his team deserve to be commended.
In fact, this isn't the first time that Golden's team has made such a donation. Following Temple's opening game at Buffalo, the team donated $1,530 to the Adam Taliaferro Foundation in the name of Shykem Lawrence, a high school safety who suffered a severe spinal cord injury in late August.
"This is just something we are trying to teach them," Golden said. "Giving is the highest level of living. The kids made the decision."
In a week where all Miami can muster is a pathetic one-game suspension for players involved in a vicious brawl with Florida International Saturday ("Join a Team Not a Gang Night," by the way, with 700 youth in attendance), Golden, his Temple team and Ray Ray McElrathbey are a refreshing reminder that the college athletic experience can actually be a good thing.
It isn't always about wins. It isn't just about the money.
Sometimes it can be about making sure that a college athlete has the necessary resources to raise his little brother. It can be about making sure that Ray Ray and Fahmarr don't have to do it alone -- that they have their team and others supporting them.
When a coach sets out to teach his players the value of character, success isn't just defined by wins. Success is also found in the development of character, exemplified by a simple act of giving. Golden's team has proven that they are successful in that regard.
On the field -- a less important challenge -- the Owls have had some difficulty.
As of now, Temple is 0-7. Any win this season would be a huge success.
I know who I'm rooting for this weekend.
Here's a better story!
Sports
Al Golden, Temple make difference with help off-field
Joey Mancini, Cavalier Daily Columnist
When Al Golden became Temple's head coach after leaving Virginia last winter, he talked about how his players would be student-athletes. They would sit in the front of class. They would introduce themselves to professors. Golden went on to emphasize character, on and off the football field.
Prior to Temple's loss last Thursday to Clemson, Golden gave a letter to Clemson coach Tommy Bowden indicating that his team would donate $1,500 to the Fahmarr McElrathbey Trust Fund. Fahmarr, the trust's namesake, is the younger brother of Clemson redshirt freshman defensive back Ray Ray McElrathbey.
Over the last month, the McElrathbey have made national headlines with their inspiring story. Last summer, 20-year-old Ray Ray took temporary custody of 11-year-old Fahmarr because their mother is a drug addict. The brothers live in an off-campus apartment at Clemson while Ray Ray learns on the fly how to be a parent. Recently, the NCAA granted a waiver allowing Clemson to set up a trust fund for Fahmarr to provide for basic needs such as food and clothing.
Al Golden's Temple Owls donated $1,500 to the fund before they lost to Clemson 63-9 last week.
"Our team voted to donate one week's game per diem to help you and your brother. It was a unanimous decision," Golden wrote to Ray Ray in the letter, distributed in the press box during the game.
"What you are doing will not only impact your life and Fahmarr's but many more people that you are an inspiration to," Golden wrote. "Your unselfish actions have not only shown a very positive light on you and your family but to all of college football."
Golden wasn't lying when he came to Temple and said that his student-athletes would develop character. For that, the first-year coach and his team deserve to be commended.
In fact, this isn't the first time that Golden's team has made such a donation. Following Temple's opening game at Buffalo, the team donated $1,530 to the Adam Taliaferro Foundation in the name of Shykem Lawrence, a high school safety who suffered a severe spinal cord injury in late August.
"This is just something we are trying to teach them," Golden said. "Giving is the highest level of living. The kids made the decision."
In a week where all Miami can muster is a pathetic one-game suspension for players involved in a vicious brawl with Florida International Saturday ("Join a Team Not a Gang Night," by the way, with 700 youth in attendance), Golden, his Temple team and Ray Ray McElrathbey are a refreshing reminder that the college athletic experience can actually be a good thing.
It isn't always about wins. It isn't just about the money.
Sometimes it can be about making sure that a college athlete has the necessary resources to raise his little brother. It can be about making sure that Ray Ray and Fahmarr don't have to do it alone -- that they have their team and others supporting them.
When a coach sets out to teach his players the value of character, success isn't just defined by wins. Success is also found in the development of character, exemplified by a simple act of giving. Golden's team has proven that they are successful in that regard.
On the field -- a less important challenge -- the Owls have had some difficulty.
As of now, Temple is 0-7. Any win this season would be a huge success.
I know who I'm rooting for this weekend.
quote:I know who I'm rooting for this weekend.
TPM - me too - GT over Clemson.
Nice post!!!!
The last line was written by the writer, not me.
But since you started it, I know who I am rooting for this weekend!
Should be a great game!
But since you started it, I know who I am rooting for this weekend!
Should be a great game!
This kinf of incident is why some schools should be dropping football.
It's not often that you get student+athlete in the same container. When you want a sucessful football program recruit the athlete and hope he stays out of trouble. The culture of football is such that when you start getting to the bottom of the recruit barrel there's alot of anti-social elements to be found.
Presure the coach by win at all cost philosophy and you'll get a bunch of misfits hanging out together with something they have in common with fractions; reduce to the lowest common denominator.
A great educational experience!
Rollerman
TPM-
Thanks for sharing that story - reminds me that there is something good about college football.
Thanks for sharing that story - reminds me that there is something good about college football.
I just read where the NCAA has made William and Mary take the feathers out of their logo. This is so they don't create a hostile environment. I am so glad they are making the world safe for college sports. Hey you bunch of flaming idiots, there was a riot on the field at a college football game.
quote:Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:
The last line was written by the writer, not me.
But since you started it, I know who I am rooting for this weekend!
Should be a great game!
Wow, we had a great time going to the GT/Clemson game. I have know idea what happened to tech but Clemson looked real good!
quote:Originally posted by catcher09:
Wow, we had a great time going to the GT/Clemson game. I have know idea what happened to tech but Clemson looked real good!
They got hit by some thunder and lightening
,James Davis and CJ Spiller!
Were you there before the game for the baseball award ceremony?
When you have a riot - and then - the team celebrates with a group thug dance - a reasonable person would assume you have a major problem on your hands.
You go Shalala - you go. LOL
You go Shalala - you go. LOL
quote:Were you there before the game for the baseball award ceremony?
Yes, but we were so high up wee couldnt hear what they were saying - still pretty cool and good fan reaction!
The boys received their ACC championship/CWS rings and it was pretty amazing in front of 83K.
Hope you enjoyed Death Valley, that high up you could get a nose bleed. Looks too scary up there for me!
Hope you enjoyed Death Valley, that high up you could get a nose bleed. Looks too scary up there for me!
Death Valley was great - awesome experience - we were in the top row about the 30 yard line. When I finally got to the top and turned around my knees started to shake. We were at the same level as the stadium lights. What was really scary was when the fans started jumping up and down in unison and the CONCRETE stadium bounced with them - in my opinion, concrete should not move!
Fun time!
Fun time!
catcher09
As one who was in the construction business for more years than I care to remember let me assure you that concrete expands and contracts---that is why they have "expansion" joints
Yes concrete does move
As one who was in the construction business for more years than I care to remember let me assure you that concrete expands and contracts---that is why they have "expansion" joints
Yes concrete does move
Also being in the construction busines, TR is correct.
Glad you had fun, it's an awesome stadium, hope you got to see them running done the hill!
Glad you had fun, it's an awesome stadium, hope you got to see them running done the hill!