OK. I like Morneau and I hate Jeter. But how the h**l does Jeter not win MVP this year????
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Didn't realize Morneau had won it. I like Justin as well but he is not even the MVP of his own team. I would put Mauer (sp) and Santana (sp) ahead of him this year. Hard to argue against Jeter. Personally, what Joe Mauer did was historic so I would have voted for him.
Easy. Morneau's numbers are a fantastic year for a first baseman.
Jeter's numbers are average for shortstops nowadays and as a leader he botched the whole A-Rod affair.
Plus, the Bosox pretty much gave in after August making the Yankees run for the division easy.
Jeter's numbers are average for shortstops nowadays and as a leader he botched the whole A-Rod affair.
Plus, the Bosox pretty much gave in after August making the Yankees run for the division easy.
quote:Originally posted by sportsdad&fan:
Easy. Morneau's numbers are a fantastic year for a first baseman.
Jeter's numbers are average for shortstops nowadays and as a leader he botched the whole A-Rod affair.
Plus, the Bosox pretty much gave in after August making the Yankees run for the division easy.
WOW....I'm not even sure where to begin on these.
Congratulation Morneau. Big time player on a small market team.
Jeter may not even have been the MVP on his own team. By the numbers Cano and A-rod should have gotten consideration.
Jeter may not even have been the MVP on his own team. By the numbers Cano and A-rod should have gotten consideration.
quote:Originally posted by Holden Caulfield:
OK. I like Morneau and I hate Jeter. But how the h**l does Jeter not win MVP this year????
Hopefully this won't crush Cap'n Jetes. He's already playing just to the left of the cooler.
This Cooler?
Ya goota love rootin for the dog.
Maybe there's a shift in perception of Georges Kingdom. The media may be getting a little tired of his attepts to buy a team and Jeter is the sacrificial lamb.
What if Jeter played for a different contending team? Would yhat have made adifference.
Maybe there's a shift in perception of Georges Kingdom. The media may be getting a little tired of his attepts to buy a team and Jeter is the sacrificial lamb.
What if Jeter played for a different contending team? Would yhat have made adifference.
But he doesn't and the cooler to his right is still a better player than he is and a better shortstop.
Way to go Justin Morneau!! As Twins fans in MN we've had the pleasure of watching Morneau mature into a first-class hitter and fielder. He earned the MVP award--watch this young man, he's bound to earn more honors in the future.
i would say either of them deserved it. when you look at the better teams in the Al they all had multipal players with great numbers hard to say whos more valuable to their team than the other.
and idk about the fantastic first base numbers compared to average shortstop numbers.
i thought 1b was an offensive position. and really look at the shortstops and tejada had the best line with .330 and 24 HR's 100 RBI. better numbers than jeter without a doubt.
and i think they should limit the amount of votes for MVP. instead of 10 votes they should do 5 which i think cy young uses.
and idk about the fantastic first base numbers compared to average shortstop numbers.
i thought 1b was an offensive position. and really look at the shortstops and tejada had the best line with .330 and 24 HR's 100 RBI. better numbers than jeter without a doubt.and i think they should limit the amount of votes for MVP. instead of 10 votes they should do 5 which i think cy young uses.
To add to this argument, one sports writer in Chicago voted Jeter 6th. Why? Because, in his own words, "Anyone on the Yankees could have been MVP." So, what did Mauer and Santana do that doesn't warrant a nod?
Congrats to Morneau,but I think Mauer deserves some credit as well.Mauer didn't even get on the ballot after leading the league in hitting.Why do they have so few choices for the award?
I have no idea why the The Experts vote the way they do. Of course, these were the same "experts" who maintained the Cards had no chance postseason, so....there you go.
Howard (NL MVP) is, obviously a heck of a player, a good old thumping first baseman. He had better HR & RBI numbers than Pujols, but it's MVP, not Most Valuable Hitter.
Who has the better glove? Pujols got the Gold.
Pujols was on base more (even with 16 fewer walks), had a better slugging percentage AND scored more runs (even with 9 fewer homeruns), and (astonishingly) Pujols struck out 50 TIMES ALL SEASON while Howard struck out 181 times.
Cogitate on that for a moment, sports fans. Struck out 50 times and hit 49 home runs. Ever hear of a power hitter so close to matching numbers in those two categories?
Importantly (and this would take some appreciation of the game) Pujols hit .397 with RISP (66 points above his season average); Howard hit .256 with RISP...57 points below his season average.
How about RISP with 2 outs? When you either get the run or take the field? Um....what you might call clutch situations? Howard hit .247 (66 points below average). Pujols hit .435. That’s FOUR THIRTY FIVE.
Of course....Pujols has A Ring.
Explanations for MVP choice? No idea here.
Howard (NL MVP) is, obviously a heck of a player, a good old thumping first baseman. He had better HR & RBI numbers than Pujols, but it's MVP, not Most Valuable Hitter.
Who has the better glove? Pujols got the Gold.
Pujols was on base more (even with 16 fewer walks), had a better slugging percentage AND scored more runs (even with 9 fewer homeruns), and (astonishingly) Pujols struck out 50 TIMES ALL SEASON while Howard struck out 181 times.
Cogitate on that for a moment, sports fans. Struck out 50 times and hit 49 home runs. Ever hear of a power hitter so close to matching numbers in those two categories?
Importantly (and this would take some appreciation of the game) Pujols hit .397 with RISP (66 points above his season average); Howard hit .256 with RISP...57 points below his season average.
How about RISP with 2 outs? When you either get the run or take the field? Um....what you might call clutch situations? Howard hit .247 (66 points below average). Pujols hit .435. That’s FOUR THIRTY FIVE.
Of course....Pujols has A Ring.
Explanations for MVP choice? No idea here.
i think that pretty much covers it. don't know how pujols doesnt win mvp, all i know is he is the best hitter in the game.
.435 is crazy but i should know a watch every single cardinals game every year.
Orlando, where did you get the RISP with 2 outs stat? can it be found on mlb.com? and everyone makes a dig deal out of david ortiz and his clutch hitting, so im curious to hear his RISP with 2 outs average.
.435 is crazy but i should know a watch every single cardinals game every year.
Orlando, where did you get the RISP with 2 outs stat? can it be found on mlb.com? and everyone makes a dig deal out of david ortiz and his clutch hitting, so im curious to hear his RISP with 2 outs average.
a few stats i found.
okay well i found the stat i was lookin for, Ortiz RISP & 2 outs hit .288, his season average was .287.
I know clutch means alot more than avg with RISP but according to this stat Pujols is incredible. far better than Howard or Ortiz. Jeter is extremely good in this situation .369
okay well i found the stat i was lookin for, Ortiz RISP & 2 outs hit .288, his season average was .287.
I know clutch means alot more than avg with RISP but according to this stat Pujols is incredible. far better than Howard or Ortiz. Jeter is extremely good in this situation .369