NAIA Baseball is quality baseball. The biggest differences I see in NAIA and high level division 1 ball is pitching, depth, and size. The division 1 school I am graduating from this spring has baseball players that are bigger than myself and all of my college teammates. Pitching is usually tougher on the high levels and teams have depth. In NAIA ball the drop-off between the top players on a team and the backups is big.
Pitching is MAJOR difference but since it's all relative, the hitting is a notch down and so it all evens out. It's good quality fun baseball but you don't have the unbelievable all-american all-academic studs smacking the ball to the wall every third at bat. You don't have 45 kids on a team and the ability to go through 9 pitchers in one game and then come back later that day in the 2nd game of a double-header and pitch another 4 different kids.
What is the reasoning for a school and baseball program to be affiliated with the NAIA instead of the NCAA?
i seen that university of south carolina beaufort is starting a new baseball team in the florida sun confrence. does anyone no anything about the team or the coaches.
I think you get a mixed bag in NAIA. Some teams can compete with some of the top 25 D1 schools (LC State). While other schools are more equivalent to mediocre D3 schools. There's a huge range, so watch out where you're looking at.
oldschool...
do you have examples of top notch schools and mediocre schools competing in NAIA?!
do you have examples of top notch schools and mediocre schools competing in NAIA?!
paddyboyo,
My son at one time was talking with that school. He met the coach in Arizona. The coach is supposed to be a very good coach. Has a lot of professional and college exp.Scofield is his name I believe, he works with baseball factory and team one or use to. beautiful area.
My son at one time was talking with that school. He met the coach in Arizona. The coach is supposed to be a very good coach. Has a lot of professional and college exp.Scofield is his name I believe, he works with baseball factory and team one or use to. beautiful area.
Can anyone help out with that list requested above? I realize that I can find rankings easily enough. I am talking about a list of NAIA affiliated schools with a balance of quality baseball, academics, and quality of student life (might as well throw in AFFORDABILITY).
Ryno, I played 3 years in the Florida Sun. It really depends on what program you are looking at. Many of the teams that were in the conference a few years ago are DII now (Nova, Flagler, etc). Ive played against Lewis and Clark also and they are certainly on par with DI. Like it was said earlier, the top 15 programs in NAIA have the talent to play with anyone, the bottom of NAIA is more DII or even DIII. As for tuition, social life, etc it really depends on the school. Although LC and my school were both NAIA, they had more scholarships, lower tuition, etc.
NAIA is a great place for DI players to go when they decide for whatever reason to transfer and not required to sit out a year. You will see Juniors use NAIA since JUCO is not an option anymore.
Jeff Francis was NAIA at the U of British Columbia. He wasn't too bad at 13 million a year with the Rockies.
quote:Originally posted by baseballtoday:
NAIA is a great place for DI players to go when they decide for whatever reason to transfer and not required to sit out a year. You will see Juniors use NAIA since JUCO is not an option anymore.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news baseballtoday but a D1 player (nor D2) can transfer directly to a 4-yr NAIA straight from their respective program. The new NCAA rules state that no player can "transfer from a 4-yr program to a 4-yr program" regardless of the Conference. If they do, they are required to sit out a year before being eligible to play again. This rule goes both ways, i.e. NAIA to D1, D2 or D3 as well.
The new transfer rules have pretty much dampened the ease of switching programs especially after a players Sophomore year.
3Fingered can verify all of this above.
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YGD...
You're absolutely certain that NCAA rules apply to, and are fully recognized/shared by NON NCAA (NAIA) schools?
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if they are.
We'll have to get an official ruling from Three Fingers...
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YGD...
You're absolutely certain that NCAA rules apply to, and are fully recognized/shared by NON NCAA (NAIA) schools?
I'd be happy to be proven wrong but I'd be surprised if they are.
We'll have to get an official ruling from Three Fingers...
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YoungGunDad,
I think you've gotten a little carried away here, or maybe O44 and I misunderstand your point.
A player transferring from a 4 year school into a NAIA school may play immediately if he has a cumulative 2.0 GPA and a written release from the previous school's AD. That's the NAIA transfer rule. Of course, NAIA (and all other collegiate) players have to meet academic progress requirements.
Similarly, with rare exceptions and assuming academic progress, a player may transfer into a NCAA D3 or D2 school, and play immediately.
It's NCAA D1 that has tightened the rules: If a player transfers from any 4 year school into a D1 school, he typically has to serve one academic year of residence before he is eligible to compete. If he transfers from a 4 year to a 2 year and then to a different D1 school, he typically needs an AA degree to avoid the year of residence.
In all cases, the only rules that affect a player are the ones in force at the school he attends or will attend in the future. Look, collegiate sports rules aren't laws; if a player breaks the rules, he isn't sent to jail or fined or ticketed or dunked in the pond.
The only punishment that the NCAA, NAIA or the various JC organizations can give a player is to prevent him from playing at their member schools.
So, for example, the NCAA doesn't try to make rules which limit or control how a player might transfer into a NAIA school. The NCAA knows that it would have no way to enforce such a rule.
I think you've gotten a little carried away here, or maybe O44 and I misunderstand your point.
A player transferring from a 4 year school into a NAIA school may play immediately if he has a cumulative 2.0 GPA and a written release from the previous school's AD. That's the NAIA transfer rule. Of course, NAIA (and all other collegiate) players have to meet academic progress requirements.
Similarly, with rare exceptions and assuming academic progress, a player may transfer into a NCAA D3 or D2 school, and play immediately.
It's NCAA D1 that has tightened the rules: If a player transfers from any 4 year school into a D1 school, he typically has to serve one academic year of residence before he is eligible to compete. If he transfers from a 4 year to a 2 year and then to a different D1 school, he typically needs an AA degree to avoid the year of residence.
In all cases, the only rules that affect a player are the ones in force at the school he attends or will attend in the future. Look, collegiate sports rules aren't laws; if a player breaks the rules, he isn't sent to jail or fined or ticketed or dunked in the pond.
So, for example, the NCAA doesn't try to make rules which limit or control how a player might transfer into a NAIA school. The NCAA knows that it would have no way to enforce such a rule.
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A follow up question...
Got the 2.0 and the program release...What are the academic progress requirements like at NAIA schools? How/Would they come into play on a transfer?
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A follow up question...
Got the 2.0 and the program release...What are the academic progress requirements like at NAIA schools? How/Would they come into play on a transfer?
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I do not believ their are executives from NCAA or NAIA on here offering definitions and info---why not read the rules for each and/or call the administrative offices for each and pose the question to them---there is too much of "I heard" or " I understand"---both organizations are the final say---talk to them
The " I was told" or "I heard" bit can lead to problems--trust me
The " I was told" or "I heard" bit can lead to problems--trust me
...but currently has a team of lawyers lobbying congress for legislation to mandate non member institutions to abide by NCAA rules. Furthermore, the NCAA is asking congress for the right to regulate all on and off campus non athletic student activities. The NCAA has issued a statement saying, "We feel our expertise in promoting fair and just rules and regulations uniquely qualifies the NCAA to help all students reach the goals set forth by the NCAA. If this legislation passes, as we are confident it will, we will rename the organization to, The Ubiquitous Student Strategy Resource."quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
The NCAA knows that it would have no way to enforce such a rule.
The news conference ended when the USSR minister of information left the podium to a chant of "All Hail".
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Dropped my jaw for a minute there CPLZ...
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Dropped my jaw for a minute there CPLZ...
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quote:Originally posted by CPLZ:...but currently has a team of lawyers lobbying congress for legislation to mandate non member institutions to abide by NCAA rules. Furthermore, the NCAA is asking congress for the right to regulate all on and off campus non athletic student activities. The NCAA has issued a statement saying, "We feel our expertise in promoting fair and just rules and regulations uniquely qualifies the NCAA to help all students reach the goals set forth by the NCAA. If this legislation passes, as we are confident it will, we will rename the organization to, The Ubiquitous Student Strategy Resource."quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
The NCAA knows that it would have no way to enforce such a rule.
The news conference ended when the USSR minister of information left the podium to a chant of "All Hail".
Yeah, the NCAA just makes rulings to benefit the schools and really does not take the side of the student/athlets.
Observer, as you can see from my earlier post that I qualified my statement with the ending that 3Fingered could confirm it. I apologize for making a statement about this that may have confused anyone. It certainly was not my intent.
We just recently went through some of this tranferring situations and 3Fingered was very instrumental in helping us along the way. There was a mid-major D1 that was interested in younggun last summer and told him that if he went to his NAIA school that he would have to either sit out a year or go JUCO, THEN be eligible to come play for them. As 3Fingered mentioned, there are "loopholes" for lack of a better word for getting around some of these rules.
I did have a typo on my earlier post. It should've said but a D1 player (nor D2) CANNOT transfer directly to a 4-yr NAIA straight from their respective program. Again, this may be incorrect if a player does certain things and meets certain requirements. We just did not know them at the time and now is a mute point since he is now at a JUCO.
3Fingered, I am always carried away! My wife can attest to that! lol
We just recently went through some of this tranferring situations and 3Fingered was very instrumental in helping us along the way. There was a mid-major D1 that was interested in younggun last summer and told him that if he went to his NAIA school that he would have to either sit out a year or go JUCO, THEN be eligible to come play for them. As 3Fingered mentioned, there are "loopholes" for lack of a better word for getting around some of these rules.
I did have a typo on my earlier post. It should've said but a D1 player (nor D2) CANNOT transfer directly to a 4-yr NAIA straight from their respective program. Again, this may be incorrect if a player does certain things and meets certain requirements. We just did not know them at the time and now is a mute point since he is now at a JUCO.
3Fingered, I am always carried away! My wife can attest to that! lol
