I always find it amusing when someone from California tries to hold court about how things are in Texas.
"Sorry, but it is a joke to consider UTD as a HA school. There is only one HA school in TX and that is Rice (8% acceptance) with Trinity considered a fringe HA school. (28% acceptance) For all you UTA, TXA&M crazies you are close but no cigar. Personally I would chose Baylor over the above two, particularly for any medical field. The small D3 UD beats UTD as far as academics, however they stink at baseball. I am an engineer and been recruiting STEM majors for many, many, many, years and have never heard of UTD technical academics. Maybe in a micro Dallas environment, but you can't even mention them in the second tier HA schools, not even within TX."
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I don't completely disagree with this although I'm not sure why it's so strongly worded. If acceptance rate is the only criteria, I think you are probably right. I probably could have said 2-3 tiers down. But personally I think there are "elite academic" schools and then "high academic" schools which are maybe the top 100-125 US News schools. If you use that, then UTD is a HA school; ranked higher than University Dallas. For RJM, I also think Univ South Florida is a HA school but can see how Ivy law schools or NE firms might look down their noses. In terms of technical academics, UTD was actually founded by 3 of Texas Instrument's founders and is actively supported by that company to this day. So they do have a strong science foundation. I have no doubt it is a rising school (while many others will fall in the next 10 years due to demographic changes/financial challenges/failed policies).
Another school mentioned here: Colorado School of Mines is little known on the East coast or most places for that matter but it is a high end "HA" engineering school despite it's fairly pedestrian 50% admit rate. I'm not being snarky here but I was wondering if you know of it and recruit their STEM majors at your company?
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USF is not considered a HA D1 school or do any of the other mid D1 schools in FL. My opinion, might be that UF, FSU and UM as more HA over the others.
As for the big three above, many instate applicants that don't play sports have to end up going out of state. My daughter's stepdaughter, an HA, HS grad is headed to GWU for pre law. She was unable to get into any of the those schools.
@TPM posted:I agree. Same goes for Florida unless you have had first hand experience.
I suppose that had to be for me. Think there is a chance that is just a personal bias as opposed to a more generally accepted thought by the Florida and national population?
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Sorry, I cut and paste that from US News. I guess one person's concept of a HA will always differ from another persons. I went to a public HS, public state college, public state graduate school. My brother went to a NESCAC and then a JD/MBA from an elite academic public school. So if I were to ask him about USF, School of Mines, UTD, he would go pfffffttt "trash, just like the schools you went to my under educated dumbass brother". But if I ask 95% of the US population, is a school in the top 100 rankings a "HA" college they would probably say yes.
Someone isn’t reading what I wrote correctly. Now two people have criticized me for calling South Florida an HA. I wrote while USF has a top rated Forensic program and she graduated PBK when she chose to go to law school going to a school rated mediocre overall hurt her HA law school acceptance chances.
The story was in relation to another college having a too forensics program but mediocre overall. If a student doesn’t stick with the career track of the major it could cause problems.
@BOF posted:Personally I would chose Baylor over the above two, particularly for any medical field.
I was trying to leave this alone, but it's like a splinter in my mind. I'm just curious to understand the reasoning, as I imagine there are many good reasons to prefer grads from or choose particular schools for different disciplines.
What it comes down to, is choice. This has been my observation.
Which type of program would be acceptable for the baseball athlete? What is he willing to give up? Many top D1 baseball programs will not allow players to major in certain degrees. That's important to note when looking at rosters, because a lot of time is spent on the baseball field than in the classroom these days.
You will start seeing less and less of older transfers. It's a consequence of covid.
For the life of me, I can't get over how UConn going to regionals with a lot of grad transfers has to do with HA programs.
JMO
@TPM posted:What it comes down to, is choice. This has been my observation.
Which type of program would be acceptable for the baseball athlete? What is he willing to give up? Many top D1 baseball programs will not allow players to major in certain degrees. That's important to note when looking at rosters, because a lot of time is spent on the baseball field than in the classroom these days.
You will start seeing less and less of older transfers. It's a consequence of covid.
For the life of me, I can't get over how UConn going to regionals with a lot of grad transfers has to do with HA programs.
JMO
Absolutely this thread has been hijacked. But I'm going with the concept that some added discussion is better than no discussion. This topic is near and dear to my heart because I'm trying to balance my kids baseball desires with what I know is important for the future: all while balancing the concept of return on investment; appropriate learning environment; and turning them into happy/principled/empathetic/successful adults.
If I recall RJM, your family are multigenerational Bowdoinians or Bowdionites (I forget). That is actually the school my brother went to. His first gig out of school was entirely due to an alum who took him under his wing. He went on to a big career as a venture capital attorney in silicon valley starting at it's hey day of origin. So private school tuition at an elite college, financially paid off for him. And as a Bowdoinite, I can see why you might call USF "mediocre" but I suspect as a Phi Beta Kappa athlete, she could have gone to numerous very HA law schools (maybe my brothers) just not an elite Ivy on first pass.
So to try and tie in the D3 grad transfer thread, my 2025 is very smart and as I mentioned will be a nat merit finalist with high gpa/sat. But left to his devices, he would go JUCO and try to play at any D1 that had a shot at going to the tourney. Me? I know he is probably not ever going to a high level baseball D1. But you can' squash the dream right? So my interest is in what path can I sell him where he has a shot at this goal. But matching to a level of academics that fits him and gives him enough future opportunities.
On that UConn team, the D3 transfers were 2 from Endicott, 2 from Eastern CT State, 2 from Oswego State, 2 from Wheaton, 1 from Tufts . Interesting that their main roster page did not list previous schools, as many do.
"High academic" is a term that I have only heard used in athletic recruiting. In that context, I agree with those who said it means that coach support matters with admissions, because the admission rate is low.
UConn, for example, accepts 56% of applicants. Of their transfers, it's Endicott (73%), Eastern CT State (74%), Oswego State (84%), Wheaton (80%), Tufts (9.7%).
Less-selective schools do have great academic programs. But some "top-100" large research universities have admission rates of 80%. Some of the baseball players do need coach support with admissions there, but most probably would not.
@Dadbelly2023 posted:Absolutely this thread has been hijacked. But I'm going with the concept that some added discussion is better than no discussion. This topic is near and dear to my heart because I'm trying to balance my kids baseball desires with what I know is important for the future: all while balancing the concept of return on investment; appropriate learning environment; and turning them into happy/principled/empathetic/successful adults.
If I recall RJM, your family are multigenerational Bowdoinians or Bowdionites (I forget). That is actually the school my brother went to. His first gig out of school was entirely due to an alum who took him under his wing. He went on to a big career as a venture capital attorney in silicon valley starting at it's hey day of origin. So private school tuition at an elite college, financially paid off for him. And as a Bowdoinite, I can see why you might call USF "mediocre" but I suspect as a Phi Beta Kappa athlete, she could have gone to numerous very HA law schools (maybe my brothers) just not an elite Ivy on first pass.
So to try and tie in the D3 grad transfer thread, my 2025 is very smart and as I mentioned will be a nat merit finalist with high gpa/sat. But left to his devices, he would go JUCO and try to play at any D1 that had a shot at going to the tourney. Me? I know he is probably not ever going to a high level baseball D1. But you can' squash the dream right? So my interest is in what path can I sell him where he has a shot at this goal. But matching to a level of academics that fits him and gives him enough future opportunities.
Bowdoin graduates are Bears. The mascot is the polar bear. It goes back to Bowdoin graduate Admiral Peary’s explorations of the North Pole.
My daughter minored in criminology. One of her teachers suggest she look into law. She came in second in the Southeast Region Collegiate Undergraduate Moot Court competition. After not getting accepted to three Ivies, Georgetown and UVA she went to work in a prestigious DC law firm. Partners wrote recommendations to the same schools. She got accepted to all of them.
She went to an Ivy and became Editor of the Law Review. She was a prosecutor before going to one of the largest law firms in the country. it all worked out.
Sorry for taking this thread sideways, but we need more of that here IMO, this makes an interesting site...
OK sorry for the harsh words on UTD, I should have been more careful with my words. Any STEM/baseball player gets my high-five. Regarding schools and rankings and it is all about what fits your son's individual situation. Also national rankings are subjective. Most people outside of the West have never heard of Harvey-Mudd, likely second only to MIT in math and science, and if you ask 99% of the people about the school you will get blank stares. Harvey who?
I am also very familiar with Colorado School of Mines and again if you ask anyone from outside the STEM recruiting field in the West you will get blank stares.
@adbono I lived in TX for a couple of years and my son is a undergrad and masters graduate from TX universities and lives in the great state. I have many, many, many good friends in TX, and I love the place and people, they are the "salt of the earth". If the US was filled with Texans we we would be a much better place to live. I love cowboys, and not the ones with "all hat and no cattle" from Dallas. Cowboys would not deal with the shxx going on in our country. We need more cowboys/farmers running the country and not a bunch of spineless, woke "Coasters"
I have considered selling my CA real-estate and moving there and further pissing off my TX friends... I still might, but will likely end up near the mountains where I can fly-fish, but I digress.
So I have thoroughly destroyed this thread, sorry but it makes a more vibrant site.
Haha BOF. That was awesome. You haven't destroyed anything. I suspect there are hundreds of lurkers who never post or share their thoughts and questions. Think how interesting it would be if they did.
@BOF posted:Sorry for taking this thread sideways, but we need more of that here IMO, this makes an interesting site...
OK sorry for the harsh words on UTD, I should have been more careful with my words. Any STEM/baseball player gets my high-five. Regarding schools and rankings and it is all about what fits your son's individual situation. Also national rankings are subjective. Most people outside of the West have never heard of Harvey-Mudd, likely second only to MIT in math and science, and if you ask 99% of the people about the school you will get blank stares. Harvey who?
I am also very familiar with Colorado School of Mines and again if you ask anyone from outside the STEM recruiting field in the West you will get blank stares.
@adbono I lived in TX for a couple of years and my son is a undergrad and masters graduate from TX universities and lives in the great state. I have many, many, many good friends in TX, and I love the place and people, they are the "salt of the earth". If the US was filled with Texans we we would be a much better place to live. I love cowboys, and not the ones with "all hat and no cattle" from Dallas. Cowboys would not deal with the shxx going on in our country. We need more cowboys/farmers running the country and not a bunch of spineless, woke "Coasters"
I have considered selling my CA real-estate and moving there and further pissing off my TX friends... I still might, but will likely end up near the mountains where I can fly-fish, but I digress.
So I have thoroughly destroyed this thread, sorry but it makes a more vibrant site.
On behalf of all Texans (if I may be so bold as to speak for them), you have redeemed yourself with your very well stated soliloquy. And I will gladly buy you a beer if we ever meet.
@BOF posted:Sorry for taking this thread sideways, but we need more of that here IMO, this makes an interesting site...
OK sorry for the harsh words on UTD, I should have been more careful with my words. Any STEM/baseball player gets my high-five. Regarding schools and rankings and it is all about what fits your son's individual situation. Also national rankings are subjective. Most people outside of the West have never heard of Harvey-Mudd, likely second only to MIT in math and science, and if you ask 99% of the people about the school you will get blank stares. Harvey who?
I am also very familiar with Colorado School of Mines and again if you ask anyone from outside the STEM recruiting field in the West you will get blank stares.
@adbono I lived in TX for a couple of years and my son is a undergrad and masters graduate from TX universities and lives in the great state. I have many, many, many good friends in TX, and I love the place and people, they are the "salt of the earth". If the US was filled with Texans we we would be a much better place to live. I love cowboys, and not the ones with "all hat and no cattle" from Dallas. Cowboys would not deal with the shxx going on in our country. We need more cowboys/farmers running the country and not a bunch of spineless, woke "Coasters"
I have considered selling my CA real-estate and moving there and further pissing off my TX friends... I still might, but will likely end up near the mountains where I can fly-fish, but I digress.
So I have thoroughly destroyed this thread, sorry but it makes a more vibrant site.
Mudd is incredibly difficult and loaded with some of the smartest kids in the world. I would have to put Caltech above them though with MIT. Interesting to note, last year a bunch of alums from Caltech, MIT, Mudd, and other really hard schools compared the difficulty of their undergrads and rated Caltech the toughest and Mudd second.
I agree on rankings. Student outcomes should get more attention than some of the garbage they use to evaluate.