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It’s obvious the college sports landscape has changed. I remember the argument your education is all the compensation you deserve.
I don’t have a problem with athletes getting a slice of the pie. But they shouldn’t get it until they graduate or leave to turn pro in acceptable academic standing. And yes, athletes should have quality medical protections.
Of course, if they start giving the media revenue to football and basketball players, the athletics programs will have less money for the other sports.
Honestly, football and basketball should just break away and be treated completely separately from the rest of the university. In fact, does it even matter if those teams are affiliated with universities at all? They would have the same set of fans even if they were entirely independent, and with unlimited transfers and revenue-sharing, the fiction that these are students is disappearing.
When coaches are signing 100 million dollar contracts, I have no problem with the players getting a cut. The new TV deals are going to be massive and there will be even more money to share.
I have no problem with compensation. I feel like there needs to be some kind of parameters. However the free-for-all along with them taking away the one time transfer part of the rule, it’s going to be chaos.
@baseballhs posted:I have no problem with compensation. I feel like there needs to be some kind of parameters. However the free-for-all along with them taking away the one time transfer part of the rule, it’s going to be chaos.
They want to take away the one time transfer rule to eliminate coaches from cheating and getting an advantage.
Latest example UT football. How he got away with it have no clue.
Of course what you do for one group you have to do for another.
I am all for sharing profits for the groups that bring much dollars to their respective programs. These players helped build successful multi million programs for their universities. I agree there has to be parameters established. Stay in the program, earn a degree.
JMO
I’ve lost interest in college sports other than baseball. I used to be completely fine with a shady car dealer hand a sack of cash or keys to a “loaner” to a player. But for some reason straight cash bugs me. The booster club from my alma mater called me about making a donation to some new NIL fund they are creating to pay players. Ended up cancelling my booster membership.
@RJM posted:It’s obvious the college sports landscape has changed. I remember the argument your education is all the compensation you deserve.
I don’t have a problem with athletes getting a slice of the pie. But they shouldn’t get it until they graduate or leave to turn pro in acceptable academic standing. And yes, athletes should have quality medical protections.
So they should get deferred revenue based on certain conditions.
The reason that people care about NCAA basketball and football is that they are attached to century old brands that engender deep loyalties and passions. These recent changes by the NCAA will over time erode the connection between athletes, teams and the actual schools that they pretend to represent and fan interest will drift. Soon even the illusion of being an actual student will become too bothersome and we'll have teams sponsored by Nike, Apple and Chipolte.
@K9 posted:The reason that people care about NCAA basketball and football is that they are attached to century old brands that engender deep loyalties and passions. These recent changes by the NCAA will over time erode the connection between athletes, teams and the actual schools that they pretend to represent and fan interest will drift. Soon even the illusion of being an actual student will become too bothersome and we'll have teams sponsored by Nike, Apple and Chipolte.
The changes were forced upon the NCAA by the Supreme Court. House v NCAA may have a deeper impact.
@CollegebaseballInsights posted:The changes were forced upon the NCAA by the Supreme Court. House v NCAA may have a deeper impact.
Yup, totally agree. The comments by Kavanaugh must have been chilling to the NCAA. So now they remove all restrictions rather than risk having a model thrust upon them that will impact their revenue.
@K9 posted:Yup, totally agree. The comments by Kavanaugh must have been chilling to the NCAA. So now they remove all restrictions rather than risk having a model thrust upon them that will impact their revenue.
IMHO, SCOTUS made a Citizens United type decision, Congress will dither on any overarching rules, lobbyist flowing a lot of $$$.
Following state level guidance is a race to the bottom.
Football and basketball are not in the same market when it comes to revenue.
Football is gridlocked by the NFL rules, they have to be 3 years removed from HS to be eligible for the NFL. There are no good alternative options other than NCAA. What happens when the Big 10 says no? Football players are going to sit around for 3 years?
Basketball has the one and done rule, plus there are options outside of the NCAA. The NBA owns one in the G League, but Euro basketball and Australia are both options in addition to just training on your own for a year.
I never understood why basketball players were demanding to be paid. There are so many alternative options. It makes more sense to go play in the G League for 250k than it does to play a year of college basketball.
People give the NCAA a hard time and they definitely don't do themselves any favors to put that fire out. But at the base level they provide the greatest parachute - free degree, free healthcare, free housing, free meals, free platform for these kids to put themselves in a marketable position. The kids know that if they get hurt in Romania playing basketball it's a wrap and they have nothing to fallback on, especially considering more than half those kids could not get into the schools they attend on their own merit.
I don't blame the schools for profiting off these kids. It's an investment, they are giving up hundreds of thousands per kid and in return they get the big bucks when they strike gold.
It should only be a matter of making money when it comes to things like advertisements, jersey sales, etc. I don't know why putting money into kids and profiting would be considered controversial.
@PABaseball posted:Football and basketball are not in the same market when it comes to revenue.
Football is gridlocked by the NFL rules, they have to be 3 years removed from HS to be eligible for the NFL. There are no good alternative options other than NCAA. What happens when the Big 10 says no? Football players are going to sit around for 3 years?
Basketball has the one and done rule, plus there are options outside of the NCAA. The NBA owns one in the G League, but Euro basketball and Australia are both options in addition to just training on your own for a year.
I never understood why basketball players were demanding to be paid. There are so many alternative options. It makes more sense to go play in the G League for 250k than it does to play a year of college basketball.
People give the NCAA a hard time and they definitely don't do themselves any favors to put that fire out. But at the base level they provide the greatest parachute - free degree, free healthcare, free housing, free meals, free platform for these kids to put themselves in a marketable position. The kids know that if they get hurt in Romania playing basketball it's a wrap and they have nothing to fallback on, especially considering more than half those kids could not get into the schools they attend on their own merit.
I don't blame the schools for profiting off these kids. It's an investment, they are giving up hundreds of thousands per kid and in return they get the big bucks when they strike gold.
It should only be a matter of making money when it comes to things like advertisements, jersey sales, etc. I don't know why putting money into kids and profiting would be considered controversial.
Tell that the Fab Five, Jalen Rose told a very different story as to what they could and could not afford.
How are they giving up hundreds of thousands per kid?
Also, remember the NIL was based on NCAA using Ed O'Bannon's likeness reaping in millions.
Better watch out, the HBCUs are getting hip to the hustle. Entertainers (Rappers) will be pooling their $$$ to steer players to these institutions. Deion Sanders already doing it.
@CollegebaseballInsights posted:Tell that the Fab Five, Jalen Rose told a very different story as to what they could and could not afford.
How are they giving up hundreds of thousands per kid?
Also, remember the NIL was based on NCAA using Ed O'Bannon's likeness reaping in millions.
Better watch out, the HBCUs are getting hip to the hustle. Entertainers (Rappers) will be pooling their $$$ to steer players to these institutions. Deion Sanders already doing it.
I'm not sure what affording things has to do with anything, there are plenty of broke college kids out there. How about this - how many of the Fab 5 would have been accepted into Michigan if they did not play basketball. Where were they getting their health insurance from? Would they have been on a free unlimited meal plan if they did not attend the school? The school says you can have all that (at no cost), but if you make it big, we are going to reap the rewards.
Who gets the revenue share? Jalen Rose and Chris Webber get the same amount as Johnny GPA Booster who logged 24 minutes all season?
$60k/yr for tuition and fees. x 4 = $240,000 investment the university has just made in said athlete. They are giving up millions a year in basketball. Now what about football with 85 scholarships?
I disagreed with NIL for the most part because of what is happening now. Now that it's here I don't care. But when we start talking about profit sharing that's when you lose me. The investment was already made.
TV contract revenue sharing are one thing but don’t forget the effect a winning football program or high profile (Heisman) player can do for alumni donations. I think it’s ridiculous that donations can nearly double when the program is successful but Manziel/A&M is proof in that it does happen ($300 mil jump that year to $740 mil).
My general opinion is the NCAA profited off football players’ NIL for many decades. I’m thinking of all the games and merchandise licensing that went on even after players left college. However, It’s unfortunate that things are not being setup in a way to benefit every past player - like some sort of fund or retirement pension. I’m not following that closely, but seems like current and future players are going to reap all the rewards.
@d-mac posted:When coaches are signing 100 million dollar contracts, I have no problem with the players getting a cut. The new TV deals are going to be massive and there will be even more money to share.
Would be nice when the medical staff, that helps keep players available so the coach has more options, would be paid appropriately for those sorts of things.
Seeing a lot of places struggling to staff their sports medicine departments.