NCAA Rules

One of the drawbacks of the NSIC. Pretty sure it can only be seniors who have no eligibility left after the end of the regular and championship seasons.

I don't believe that there is a rule against a game. After all, there are dozens of summer wood bat leagues.

But the game should preferably be after the close of the academic year, the players can't wear their college uniforms (during the academic year, nothing that would identify their school), and the schools cannot pay any of the expenses. (17.02.08)

If anybody other than the player or his parent pay for expenses, you'll want tight accounting to ensure that the player stays clear of amateurism issues.

Why not email the NCAA and get an opinion? (in writing)

Hey 3FG,
That's not a bad idea. I'll give that a try. (e-mail the NCAA) The thing that makes me unsure the most is that you don't hear of any other All-Star games. Also if what what you say is true the one challange I see is keeping all the boys in the area after the academic year. We all know as soon as school's done everybody usally heads for home. Well thanks for your input.

plash3,
Wouldn't these guys be playing in a summer league and getting looks from scouts if they were pro caliber? I guess I'm not understanding the necessity.

Well for starters the Draft is held before the summer league season. And I'm sure a lot of the talented kids do play in summer leagues but they are only the kids with college eligabilty remaining. For your 4-year schools the only kids eligable for the draft are the Sr's who's best or last chance is a couple weeks after their done school.

Suggest the College Sr try open tryouts which pop up
after the 1st year MLB Amateur Draft in June

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Originally posted by plash3:
For your 4-year schools the only kids eligable for the draft are the Sr's who's best or last chance is a couple weeks after their done school.

Players from 4 year schools are eligible for the draft either when they turn 21 or after their Junior year in school, whichever comes first.

Bear,
At the risk of sounding like a smart a** why would you wait till after "The Dance" to show up at school? We're looking for something to showcase the boys before the 1st/2ed week in June.

CPLZ,
I stand corrected. You are right. I do recall reading that somewhere. Thanks for reminding me.

quote:

Originally posted by plash3:
The thing that makes me unsure the most is that you don't hear of any other All-Star games.

I don't think that the NCAA rules factor are the cause. The players with eligibililty left who have pro potential will play summer ball. The players without eligibility remaining aren't bound by NCAA rules.

Is the thesis that some players with borderline pro possibilities don't get exposure because they play in less populated areas? Wouldn't the players with sufficient talent be playing summer ball? My guess is that we don't have conference All Star games because there is no market for it-- from TV, on-site spectators, or scouts. If exposure of these senior players really had value, I'd guess that Perfect Game or other organization would arrange a showcase. And the pro teams do have a showcase--they call it a tryout.

In Texas there is an allstar game for Juco sophmores every October at Baylor. I believe that each Juco conference picks a certain number of players based on freshman performance. Scouts everywhere and many pre-signs every year. I'm pretty sure it is limited to Texas Juco conferences though. The players are placed on teams after they get to Waco. Hope this info helps.

A couple of summers ago my oldest son attended an Astros tryout camp as a 17 year old and the scouts said if they saw someone that had what they were looking for they had some openings in the minors for free agents that were draft eligible. Sure enough two twenty something guys, I think both pitchers were called over and I think signed and sent off right from that camp. The tryout camp took place in late June. One funny thing was that there was a guy 43 years old that also was at a scouting bureau camp we attended.

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Originally posted by plash3:
Bear,
We're looking for something to showcase the boys before the 1st/2ed week in June.

My initial thoughts include a combination of scheduling conflicts (for D1 colleges) vs lack of availability of full time scouts.

Remember the Colleges are:
- Having exams in mid May (if on quarterly academic schedule)
- Do not finish regular season until last few weeks of May.
- Conference Tournament is typically last week of May
- NCAA Regional and Super Regionals are scheduled first two weeks of June
- FT scouts are trying to complete their GM's top forty men draft board picks.
- Invite only MLB workouts are typically late May up to including the week prior to draft

I don't want to rain on your planning parade.
I don't believe Associates could miss 50+ prospects in any small area of the county.

(Never heard it called 'The Dance')

By my last count, there may be over 50+ Pro Tryout Camps including MLB tryouts, affiliated tryouts, and independent league tryouts.

3Bagger.

I think that 43yr old was also at a Scouting try-out last summer in south Atlanta.

I was a little embarrassed for him when he showed up in these footies.



(for real, a 43yr old DID show up!)

If you are 35 y/o a LHP, have a 98 mph fastball, and are named Jimmy Morris, you will be picked up.

Bear,
You bring up a lot of valid points. Although the conferance I'm talking about is Div. 2 there are scheduling conflicts there as well. I realise the bulk of the Draft tallent is at the D1 level but there are more than 1 or 2 kids in our league that have a shot at playing after college. Each year we have 6 to 10 kids drafted but there is nothing wrong with trying to raise this number. I didn't mean to suggest that all 50+ kids were tallented enough to get drafted but there are definatly some that slip thru the cracks unoticed. We came up with that # because we figure that's about the amount of players that would be required to have a game type event so all the players would get something out of it. The object here is to also generate enough interest to get the proper # of scouts to attend a game and not just indivdual workouts.

Bear, unfortunately the guy had about a 65mph fastball and threw a knuckleball. He had apparently been going all over TX to tryout camps because the scouts mentioned at the end of the tryout that they would see him in Houston at their tryout later the next month. They kind of laughed and shook their heads. But I guess he was having a good time.

YoungGunDad, Nope its not the same guy on the picture. At least the 43 year old wore baseball pants in San Antonio. There was another late 30's guy who showed up in jeans and tenny shoes when we went to a tryout camp in Dallas. I watched the gun and he blazed at 68mph.

I know that CCIW had a "pro day" showcase style event last year after the season. The coach I spoke to said that none of the school's coaches could be present for the event.

JP,
Whats CCIW stand for?