What is the NCAA official stance on why baseball is not fully funded? Have they ever communicated a position? Title IX perhaps 
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If you're asking why teams don't use the full scholarship allotment, I would think it's because most programs lose money on baseball.
I understand that,but full scolleys for womens rowing,water polo?
Title IX is definitely a consideration. But it is more complicated than that. Most colleges are not overly enthusiastic about increasing the # of scholarships. (When I say colleges I mean the adminstrations, not the baseball coaches). There are many programs that don't fund 11.7 scholarships now. There are others that fund 11.7 now, but would be hard pressed to come up with money to fund additional scholarships, not to mention the additional money they might have to come up with to satisfy Title II.
quote:Originally posted by lodi14:
What is the NCAA official stance on why baseball is not fully funded? Have they ever communicated a position? Title IX perhaps
To a large extent, yes, the Ogre in the baseball room is Title IX. It was 13 scholarships and then the NCAA decided they needed a 10% reduction and viola! 11.7
Is not baseball the 3rd most revenue producing sport on most campuses? I realize that they are exceptions.
The NCAA is not the reason why baseball is not fully funded. The NCAA merely sets a maximum number of scholarships (equivalencies) for D-1 and D-2. Whether those ceilings are hit is a decision for each school's athletics budget powers that be to make. You can't do more but you can do less.
The ceilings are partly motivated by a cartel-type action by NCAA members, designed to keep the big money programs from hoarding talent to the detriment of smaller budget schools who otherwise could not compete, and to prevent an arms race whereby the cost of running a baseball program escalates out of reach for more and more schools.
Many lower profile women's sports do fare better in scholarships and other budgeting issues due to Title IX, but then, that's what the law was passed to do. If you don't like it, write your congressman.
The ceilings are partly motivated by a cartel-type action by NCAA members, designed to keep the big money programs from hoarding talent to the detriment of smaller budget schools who otherwise could not compete, and to prevent an arms race whereby the cost of running a baseball program escalates out of reach for more and more schools.
Many lower profile women's sports do fare better in scholarships and other budgeting issues due to Title IX, but then, that's what the law was passed to do. If you don't like it, write your congressman.
Seems to me the big money programs are the only winners in the deal. The real question is why 11.7?
Football is fully funded .What something like 85.How many of those 85 actually earn letters in their 4 years.How fair is it that a kid on a football scolly that nevers plays over his 4 years takes money from a baseball starter? How much revenue did that kid produce for the school.How about the amount it cost his family to buy tickets. No wait they are at no cost. Just kind of frustrating.
Football is fully funded .What something like 85.How many of those 85 actually earn letters in their 4 years.How fair is it that a kid on a football scolly that nevers plays over his 4 years takes money from a baseball starter? How much revenue did that kid produce for the school.How about the amount it cost his family to buy tickets. No wait they are at no cost. Just kind of frustrating.
It used to be 13.0, but the NCAA reduced the caps for all sports across the board by 10% some years back in response to college presidents asking for limits that would help their budgets without putting them at a competitive disadvantage. Hence 11.7.
Is there a place to find revenue numbers that college baseball produces?
To me, here's the real question: why does football get 85 scholarships? I understand the popularity of college football but even the NFL carries only 53 rostered players. Imagine the number of other collegiate sports that could benefit with an additional 32 scholarships.
Football gets 85, but some do not fully fund them (use them all). Many football scholarships are used for players who play multiple sports, for instance s****r as well as track and field. If your son were to play both baseball and football in college, his scholarship would come from football.
Only a select few bb programs may just break even from baseball attendance, most make no profit. Eight dollars a ticket where the capacity is small, is allot different that 40+ dollars a ticket in an 80K filled to capacity football stadium (every game).
Football profits (and basketball) help to maintain and enhance facilities for other sports, as well as enhance their athletic training facilities. The school where son went to, had won a big bowl game the previous year and the new enhancements to the athletic facilities the year he first attended were provided by that money, plus brand new locker room.
If your son ever gets a chance to get recruited at UF, you will understand, their national championships in basketball and football have provided unbeleivable facilities for their baseball program as well as other programs. This in turn helps in the recruiting process for all athletes.
Some of you feel it's frustrating, that your sons should have the ability to have a full athletic scholarship in baseball. The only way it will happen is if he plays football also, it is never going to change.
Only a select few bb programs may just break even from baseball attendance, most make no profit. Eight dollars a ticket where the capacity is small, is allot different that 40+ dollars a ticket in an 80K filled to capacity football stadium (every game).
Football profits (and basketball) help to maintain and enhance facilities for other sports, as well as enhance their athletic training facilities. The school where son went to, had won a big bowl game the previous year and the new enhancements to the athletic facilities the year he first attended were provided by that money, plus brand new locker room.
If your son ever gets a chance to get recruited at UF, you will understand, their national championships in basketball and football have provided unbeleivable facilities for their baseball program as well as other programs. This in turn helps in the recruiting process for all athletes.
Some of you feel it's frustrating, that your sons should have the ability to have a full athletic scholarship in baseball. The only way it will happen is if he plays football also, it is never going to change.
Personally, I am not questioning that football (and basketball) are justified in getting the vast majority of scholarships...and I am aware of the huge benefits that ripple to other sports from successful and profitable football/basketball programs. I just think that 85 is excessive. If you were to reduce it to 75, just think about the benefit to other sports to split up the other ten. I think they would be ecstatic.
IMO it doesnt take 85 scholarshipped football players to have a successful football team. I mean would there truly be a dent in the level of play if you were to drop that number say 10% or 15%? If so, I suspect it would me minimal. Again, I note the 53 rostered players that the NFL has determined is sufficient.
IMO it doesnt take 85 scholarshipped football players to have a successful football team. I mean would there truly be a dent in the level of play if you were to drop that number say 10% or 15%? If so, I suspect it would me minimal. Again, I note the 53 rostered players that the NFL has determined is sufficient.
Well, MLB rosters are capped at 25 (except in September), yet the NCAA permits 35 for baseball (though only 25 for away games).
The reasons are:
In the pros if you lose a player to injury you can put him on the DL and bring in a new guy. In college, you have to go with the guys you have. You can't call a kid up from high school -- unless maybe you're Carolina.
In the pros everyone there is at the top of their game. In college, you have kids straight out of HS alongside seniors and even 5th-year seniors. You see kids bide their time, learn the game at the higher level, and build their strength.
Why does football get more? Because that's where the fan base is. I wish baseball could pull in the crowds like football does, but it can't.
I'm just glad my son isn't on a baseball team with 85 guys. You could get buried on that depth chart!
The reasons are:
In the pros if you lose a player to injury you can put him on the DL and bring in a new guy. In college, you have to go with the guys you have. You can't call a kid up from high school -- unless maybe you're Carolina.
In the pros everyone there is at the top of their game. In college, you have kids straight out of HS alongside seniors and even 5th-year seniors. You see kids bide their time, learn the game at the higher level, and build their strength.
Why does football get more? Because that's where the fan base is. I wish baseball could pull in the crowds like football does, but it can't.
I'm just glad my son isn't on a baseball team with 85 guys. You could get buried on that depth chart!
Very interesting discussion.
Here in RI, URI has between 65-80 football scholarships (and not a recently successful program)....baseball has 3!!
Coach Jim Foster has continued to enhance a program with only 3 schollys. They are favorites in the A10 each year now. He is hoping that the new President and administration will see fit to make some adjustments and "allow" for more. Title IX makes a big difference up here in New England. Son's HS even had to trade locker rooms when the boys were perceived to have more facilities than the women's.
Here in RI, URI has between 65-80 football scholarships (and not a recently successful program)....baseball has 3!!
Coach Jim Foster has continued to enhance a program with only 3 schollys. They are favorites in the A10 each year now. He is hoping that the new President and administration will see fit to make some adjustments and "allow" for more. Title IX makes a big difference up here in New England. Son's HS even had to trade locker rooms when the boys were perceived to have more facilities than the women's.
quote:Originally posted by BBDAD23:
Very interesting discussion.
Here in RI, URI has between 65-80 football scholarships (and not a recently successful program)....baseball has 3!!
Coach Jim Foster has continued to enhance a program with only 3 schollys. They are favorites in the A10 each year now. He is hoping that the new President and administration will see fit to make some adjustments and "allow" for more. Title IX makes a big difference up here in New England. Son's HS even had to trade locker rooms when the boys were perceived to have more facilities than the women's.
Not understanding this, this means everyone is a walk on? minimum scholarship is 25%, bb alone or combined, that's where the problem lies, with the programs not with the NCAA.The NCAA made that ruling to help force programs to fully fund (11.7), though they don't have to, but that is, IMO, BS if they are not.
I don't think most schools fully fund football, unless they have the money to do so.
Midlo Dad has got it right by what he says.
25 players in college ball is only for conference games, though the coach can take more if he can afford it, only 25 get to dress out and that can change, from game to game, except in post season, same 25.