Under the current transfer rules does a player who is red shirted at College A have to sit out an additional year if he transfers to CollegeB ? I don't seem to be able to find anything in the NCAA guide that is directly on point.
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For a baseball player transferring from a 4 year school to a D1 school, he has to complete a year in residence at the new school before being eligible to play. See the D1 Manual, 14.5.1 and 14.5.5.
The real requirement isn't "sitting out", as we frequently say as a shorthand, but rather being at the new school for a year. So a previous redshirt isn't relevant.
The real requirement isn't "sitting out", as we frequently say as a shorthand, but rather being at the new school for a year. So a previous redshirt isn't relevant.
That is for DI schools. you have the option of transfering to DII or DIII and not doing a year in residency. 19 of my 32 last season were transfers. So it happens regularly.
This is why players go from DI to JC to DI.
No one wants to 'sit out' and miss a season of baseball when they have the opportunity to play right away at a JC. Then transfer back to DI.
The player will still have 3 years of eligibility when transfering back to DI from JC in your scenario.
No one wants to 'sit out' and miss a season of baseball when they have the opportunity to play right away at a JC. Then transfer back to DI.
The player will still have 3 years of eligibility when transfering back to DI from JC in your scenario.
quote:Originally posted by baseballtoday:
This is why players go from DI to JC to DI.
No one wants to 'sit out' and miss a season of baseball when they have the opportunity to play right away at a JC. Then transfer back to DI.
The player will still have 3 years of eligibility when transfering back to DI from JC in your scenario.
I may be wrong, 3FG is the master of this, but I am pretty sure with new rules you cannot transfer to D2,D3 from D1 and play, unless there are exceptions met.
quote:Originally posted by baseballtoday:
This is why players go from DI to JC to DI.
No one wants to 'sit out' and miss a season of baseball when they have the opportunity to play right away at a JC. Then transfer back to DI.
The player will still have 3 years of eligibility when transfering back to DI from JC in your scenario.
Valid points b-today.
Another way to look at is every student athlete has five years to play four years.
Vignette A. First year medical redshirt has four years eligibility to play. (Carefully determine if college/sport offers fifth year athletic scholarship (many do not!)
Vignette B. DI transfers to DIII-DII/JUCO and back then on to D1, has two years eligibility (over three years).
Vignette C. DI transfers to another DI, must sit
a year with new rule, and will have two years to play over three years.
Regarding vignette c?
Does the year he sits count as a year of eligibity used?
Does the year he sits count as a year of eligibity used?
TPM,
The general rule is that all transfers must be in residence at their new school for 1 year before being eligible to compete. BUT, there is an exception in each division for most sports.
From the D3 Manual: 14.5.5.1.1 Exception. A student who transfers to the certifying institution shall be immediately eligible if: (b) The student transfers from a four-year collegiate institution and would have been academically and athletically eligible had he or she remained at that institution.
The D2 Manual has 14.5.5.3.10 One-Time Transfer Exception for 4 to 4 transfers. I'm not going to quote this one, because it is too long, but it additionally requires that the transfer be the first from a 4 year college.
D1 has a similar exception, but it does not apply to baseball players.
There are similar rules for transfers from 2 year colleges.
The effect is that a D1 player may transfer to a D2 or D3 college and play without sitting, assuming his academic and athletic eligibility is OK.
The general rule is that all transfers must be in residence at their new school for 1 year before being eligible to compete. BUT, there is an exception in each division for most sports.
From the D3 Manual: 14.5.5.1.1 Exception. A student who transfers to the certifying institution shall be immediately eligible if: (b) The student transfers from a four-year collegiate institution and would have been academically and athletically eligible had he or she remained at that institution.
The D2 Manual has 14.5.5.3.10 One-Time Transfer Exception for 4 to 4 transfers. I'm not going to quote this one, because it is too long, but it additionally requires that the transfer be the first from a 4 year college.
D1 has a similar exception, but it does not apply to baseball players.
There are similar rules for transfers from 2 year colleges.
The effect is that a D1 player may transfer to a D2 or D3 college and play without sitting, assuming his academic and athletic eligibility is OK.
quote:Originally posted by gitnby:
Regarding vignette c?
Does the year he sits count as a year of eligibity used?
I find it helps to keep the terminology the NCAA uses. A player may not engage in more than 4 seasons of competition. Additionally, he must complete his seasons of competition within 5 calendar years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution.
Sitting out is not a season of competition (even though a single appearance in a game is). Sitting out does consume a calendar year, because time stands still for no man.
quote:Originally posted by gitnby:
Regarding vignette c?
Does the year he sits count as a year of eligibity used?
quote:Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:quote:Originally posted by gitnby:
Yes. The new NCAA rule, as written (and probably misunderstood by 98% of baseball coaches), penalizes the "4-4" (DI) transfer.
Whether time stands still......?
Words Have Meaning!
How about:
"For time and the world do not stand still. Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or the present are certain to miss the future." JFK
Let us not seek the Republican answer or the Democratic answer or the NCAA answer, but the right answer.
When written in Chinese, the word "crisis" is composed of two characters. One represents danger and the other represents opportunity.
I did not phrase the question very well. If I am told by my current college, CollegeA, in January, that they want me to red-shirt, and I transfer to College B (for arguement let's say everything is D1)am I forced to miss 2 years of baseball the red shirt year plus the sit out year? ie a career ender
quote:Originally posted by fritzy:
I did not phrase the question very well. If I am told by my current college, CollegeA, in January, that they want me to red-shirt, and I transfer to College B (for arguement let's say everything is D1)am I forced to miss 2 years of baseball the red shirt year plus the sit out year? ie a career ender
yes. you can still practice during your red shirt year but you cant play in any games until the summer. then you will transfer and not be eligble to play until you are in residence for 1 year but you can still practice.
Instead of redshirting, and baseball is your only consideration you can consider immediately transfering to a JC and play there. Then transfer to your DI and be eligble to play.
You meet the transfer rule (for next year at the new DI) and still get to play while you 'sit out' at JC. Just make sure the classes you take at JC will transfer to your new school so you dont have academic issues getting into the school.
I would think the non-medical red shirt is a thing of the past, other than the coach wanting to protect the player from loosing eligibility due to not getting much if any playing time. Is it not true that red shirts are consider counters toward the 35 man spring roster, where most coaches would not want to expend a roster position for a non-contributor. If he is not a redshirt then I would think he would not be able to practice.
Not knowing what year the original poster is, if he is a freshman or a sophomore he can transfer to a JC and possibly find a place to play, but if he is a sophomore, can he play and then transfer to a D1 next year without sitting out a year (assuming he is academically eligible)?
Not knowing what year the original poster is, if he is a freshman or a sophomore he can transfer to a JC and possibly find a place to play, but if he is a sophomore, can he play and then transfer to a D1 next year without sitting out a year (assuming he is academically eligible)?
Thank you. The rules are draconian. Obviously, the NCAA cares nothing for the kids and is interested only in benefitting member schools. Shame.
fritzy,
Your question still isn't clear. But I'll assume you mean that you are considering to leave college A, and enter college B in January. As long as you begin at college B before the 12th day of the semester, the one-year residency clock starts at the beginning of that semester. So you would only need to miss one season of competition. I believe (but I'm not sure) that college B could put you on the 35 man roster, which would allow you to practice this spring. Of course, they might choose to not do that.
If you're thinking of transferring next fall, unless you weren't recruited at college A, you'd have to sit out 2 seasons.
Now, about the "redshirt". In order to practice, you have to be on the 35 man roster. As Homerun04 has said, there is very little motivation for a coach to announce in advance that a player won't compete in games, but still keep the player on the 35 man roster. Be careful that the "redshirt" isn't just a polite way of saying "try again next year."
Transferring to a JC can in principle allow you to compete this year, and compete next year at a D1, but you have to meet academic progress requirements. As Homerun04 suggests, that can be much harder to do if you are already a sophomore.
All of the above assume that you were initially a qualifier out of high school, and that your college grades and credits are in good order, and are acceptable at college B. A 4-2-4 transfer route would need to be carefully planned out, or you won't meet academic progress.
Your question still isn't clear. But I'll assume you mean that you are considering to leave college A, and enter college B in January. As long as you begin at college B before the 12th day of the semester, the one-year residency clock starts at the beginning of that semester. So you would only need to miss one season of competition. I believe (but I'm not sure) that college B could put you on the 35 man roster, which would allow you to practice this spring. Of course, they might choose to not do that.
If you're thinking of transferring next fall, unless you weren't recruited at college A, you'd have to sit out 2 seasons.
Now, about the "redshirt". In order to practice, you have to be on the 35 man roster. As Homerun04 has said, there is very little motivation for a coach to announce in advance that a player won't compete in games, but still keep the player on the 35 man roster. Be careful that the "redshirt" isn't just a polite way of saying "try again next year."
Transferring to a JC can in principle allow you to compete this year, and compete next year at a D1, but you have to meet academic progress requirements. As Homerun04 suggests, that can be much harder to do if you are already a sophomore.
All of the above assume that you were initially a qualifier out of high school, and that your college grades and credits are in good order, and are acceptable at college B. A 4-2-4 transfer route would need to be carefully planned out, or you won't meet academic progress.
quote:Originally posted by fritzy:
I did not phrase the question very well. If I am told by my current college, CollegeA, in January, that they want me to red-shirt, and I transfer to College B (for arguement let's say everything is D1)am I forced to miss 2 years of baseball the red shirt year plus the sit out year? ie a career ender
The rules are draconian. Obviously, the NCAA cares nothing for the kids and is interested only in benefitting member schools. Shame.
Being on the outside looking in, it appears the Coach of College A is advising you and properly. The current Coach offered you a redshirt (Freshman?) year (and it appears a roster spot).
You would have four years of playing eligibility (in four years.) He is allowing you to take advantage of the opportunity that is being presented. You would continue to be a part of the baseball team, just not in uniform during game days, and work out with the team and hopefully allowing your body to get bigger, stronger, faster (which is the rationale behing the redshirt for development vs a medical redshirt.)
I don't see currently see the Draconian part, yet.... What harshness? The Coach could have thought of another alternative which really would be harsh (i.e. requesting a volunteer return of the athletic scholarship).
Challenging call for you. And the timing could have been worse!
Maybe think about your college selection, how it fit for you (almost two years ago), and the question that you answered yourself ..."Would you be able to be a student at this college should you not be a NCAA student-athlete!"
Go make lemon-aid!
Good luck
