Batter calls for time but umpire does not grant it. Pitcher hears time and stops his delivery. Guy on first. Balk or redo?
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quote:Originally posted by Tangents23:
Batter calls for time but umpire does not grant it. Putcher hears time and stops deluvery. Guy on first. Balk or redo?
Generally, redo. If the batter's actions caused the pitcher to stop, reset and start over.
And if the umpire judges that the batter did it for the obvious purpose of causing a balk, he could be ejected. The common method for a batter to request time is to hold up a hand. Be careful about using the word "time" loudly enough for the pitcher to hear.
quote:Originally posted by Kaizen:
And if the umpire judges that the batter did it for the obvious purpose of causing a balk, he could be ejected. The common method for a batter to request time is to hold up a hand. Be careful about using the word "time" loudly enough for the pitcher to hear.
Could, but that's picking up the ****ty end of the stick. Unless the batter is doing a psych-out from "Baseketball," don't worry about that rule.
Base coaches and runners are a different story.
So I would have a good case if I protested the call/game?
Also, in this case the batter verbally asked for time but also put his hand up. Would the ruling be different if he just loudly asked for time but did not put his hand up?
Also, in this case the batter verbally asked for time but also put his hand up. Would the ruling be different if he just loudly asked for time but did not put his hand up?
quote:Originally posted by Tangents23:
So I would have a good case if I protested the call/game?
If he called for a reset, not a chance.
If he called a balk, maybe. If he says that the batter did not cause the balk, then there was not a misapplication of the rule. If he says the batter did, then you may get upheld.
quote:Originally posted by Tangents23:
Would the ruling be different if he just loudly asked for time but did not put his hand up?
No. The batter requests time, he doesn't automatically get it granted.
Yawetag, I'm not asking about time not being granted but the fact that it shouldn't be a balk.
Matt13, I agree. To get an EJ on the batter, it would have to be blatant. But it wouldn't be the first time it ever happened. But most of the time it should be a do over.
quote:Originally posted by Tangents23:
Yawetag, I'm not asking about time not being granted but the fact that it shouldn't be a balk.
Correct. If the batter's actions in requesting time causes the pitcher to balk, a balk should not be called.
The rule book seems to cover when a batter steps out of the box or puts his hand up to signal time. Is there something in a casebook that covers when the batter justs asks for "time" and the pitcher stops?
NFHS Rule 6.2.4-5
If the pitcher, with a runner on base, stops or hesitates in his delivery because the batter steps out of the box (a) with one foot or (b) with both feet or (c) holds up his hand to request "Time," it shall not be a balk. In (a) and (c), there is no penalty on either the batter or the pitcher. The umpire shall call "Time" and begin play anew. In (b), a strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1. In (a), (b) and (c), if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains alive. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter in (b). If the umpire judges the batter’s action to be a deliberate attempt to create a balk, he will penalize according to 3-3-1o.
I would think that a player audibly requesting time, loud enough for the pitcher to hear, is the equivalent of him raising his hand to request time (c, above)--one is a visual request, the other is a spoken one. To me, it's a distinction without a difference. But, then again, I'm not an umpire.
However, I tend not to assume because, it is well known, it makes an a** out of you and me.
If the pitcher, with a runner on base, stops or hesitates in his delivery because the batter steps out of the box (a) with one foot or (b) with both feet or (c) holds up his hand to request "Time," it shall not be a balk. In (a) and (c), there is no penalty on either the batter or the pitcher. The umpire shall call "Time" and begin play anew. In (b), a strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1. In (a), (b) and (c), if the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains alive. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter in (b). If the umpire judges the batter’s action to be a deliberate attempt to create a balk, he will penalize according to 3-3-1o.
I would think that a player audibly requesting time, loud enough for the pitcher to hear, is the equivalent of him raising his hand to request time (c, above)--one is a visual request, the other is a spoken one. To me, it's a distinction without a difference. But, then again, I'm not an umpire.
However, I tend not to assume because, it is well known, it makes an a** out of you and me.
I wouldn't nitpick the wording of the rule too much, if the batter by word or actions causes the pitcher to stop, just reset.
quote:Originally posted by Michael S. Taylor:
I wouldn't nitpick the wording of the rule too much, if the batter by word or actions causes the pitcher to stop, just reset.
Common sense. Unfortunately, it isn't that common.