New Bat!

PLEASE... please... please... don't let my son see this post. We just bought what he thinks is the latest and greatest around!

" Vorshem™ Infused Alloy to give you the supreme performance of any bat available - it's pretty serious. And our Elite Balance System and Power Embedded End-Cap give you the control/power combo you need to wreak havoc at the plate. The full utilization of our PBDx Technology Platform..."


What a joke, or marketer's dream. Not taking a shot at Kelley, all the bat manufacturers are the same. Hype & paint are about the only difference in all the bats.

Wow, that bat could hit a ball over a mountain!

I just bought mine. We'll get it in time for opening day!

I heard it is an Easton Havoc with a black paint job

Why didn't I think of that?

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Wow, that bat could hit a ball over a mountain!

That is SWEET!

But can it shoot like 50 wolverines...what would you do in a situation like that?

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Originally posted by T-Bird Dad:

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Wow, that bat could hit a ball over a mountain!

That is SWEET!

But can it shoot like 50 wolverines...what would you do in a situation like that?

If I'd had that bat back in '86 and coach would have put me in, we'd have won state...

Jealous? or Luck-keee!

Thank goodness for Nepoleon Dynamite.....

The "painted Havoc" idea burst my bubble.

Hello Everyone:

We typically don't post on message boards because we fear the wrath of angry posters who bash those companies that try to advertise on boards for free... anyhow, I just wanted to clear up a couple of things:

1. No, the N.Fuego is not a painted Havoc. Nor is it a painted Stealth, Black Magic or anything else. It's genuine Kelley.

2. Believe it or not, there IS a big difference between the bats on the market - outside of the paint finish, grip, end cap, etc. The alloys used are a very big deal. Different alloys give bats different tensile and yield strengths - these relate directly to the hardness of a bat and the give of the barrel. In addition, just as important, is the balance point - which helps to determine what the moment of inertia is for each bat. And on and on and on.

Again, we're not on here to sell our gear - just to clear some things up. Okay, now have your fun and bash our post.

Kelley USA

Kelley: No bashing here. Thanks for your post.

As an aside, both my son and I were in one of your advertisements years ago. He used your gloves for a long time. He has since switched to a brand that offers some truly customized features but his original Kelley catcher's mitt remains on display in his room.

Kelley -- we're having more fun with Napolean Dynamite than anything else. Your products continue to have a good reputation. You have to admit, convincing a kid (or his parents) that a new bat with the latest alloy will improve his game is a key ingredient in a bat-maker's success. The first baseball pictures on the UT web-site show Jordan Danks swinging a new TPX Exogrid -- with some mighty new technology, I'm sure. Despite the new tools, the Horns went 0-3 in San Diego.

All three of my sons have used Kelley gloves in the past. Keep up the good work.

-PD

It's pretty much my favorite bat. It's like a Stealth and a Dynasty mixed... it's bred for its skills in magic.

I'm all for Napolean Dynamite humor...

I still don't understand how the Exogrid improves bat performance. In our opinion, this is where technology becomes a little silly.

Thank you for your kind comments about our products.

Heavy D...would that be a Stynasty or a Dealth?

Careful moms and dads:
Don't buy if it doesn't have the BESR label emblazoned into it at the factory... they outlawed stickers this year... so beware.

FYI - ours is incorporated into the graphics - it's not a sticker. But yes, he is right about the other bats.

It's not the bat, it's the kid that is swinging it.

You can give my 4 hole hitter and my 9 hole hitter the same bat. After a round of BP, I bet they stay in the same spots of the batting order.

We baseball people are so mental. If we believed hitting with a broken wooden bat could help us...we'd use it. If I thought wearing my wife's fishnet stockings under my baseball uniform would help us win the district title...I'd do it! Wait...did I just say that out loud?

Now, I know that these bats are better than my 1989 green easton that I used in college. But how much better are these bats of today better than each other?

Yep, they all have to be toned down to stay under the BESR limits.

Fishnet Stockings?

That conjures up some odd images.

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Originally posted by Kelley:
Hello Everyone:

We typically don't post on message boards because we fear the wrath of angry posters who bash those companies that try to advertise on boards for free... anyhow, I just wanted to clear up a couple of things:

1. No, the N.Fuego is not a painted Havoc. Nor is it a painted Stealth, Black Magic or anything else. It's genuine Kelley.

2. Believe it or not, there IS a big difference between the bats on the market - outside of the paint finish, grip, end cap, etc. The alloys used are a very big deal. Different alloys give bats different tensile and yield strengths - these relate directly to the hardness of a bat and the give of the barrel. In addition, just as important, is the balance point - which helps to determine what the moment of inertia is for each bat. And on and on and on.

Again, we're not on here to sell our gear - just to clear some things up. Okay, now have your fun and bash our post.

Kelley USA

Thanks for the info Kelley. I agree that material makes a difference in bat performance - to a degree. However, I do have a question for all bat manufacturers. It is my understanding that the purpose of BESR (bat exit speed rating) certification is to limit the speed at which a ball comes off of the bat. This is primarily to protect the pitchers. It seems that this certification itself limits bat performance and renders high performance alloys more of a marketing tool than a difference maker. BESR is similar to restrictor plates in Nascar - they are both intended to limit speed.
Any clarification or information regarding BESR and how it relates to bat alloys is appreciated.

Google BESR and you will find information on testing. Once you really understand the test process you can see how some bats, given their alloy and construction, can have advantages or disadvantages. Ultimately any slight advantage or disadvantage will be enhanced - or nullified-by the guy in the batter's box.

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I posted something about the BESR and what it really meant in August, here is the post:


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posted August 17, 2004 01:12 PM
Most people think of the Ball Exit Speed Ratio being no more than 92mph, well that's just false if you ask me.

Take a look at this link and do some calculations on your own to see how hard and fast some of the balls can come off the bat.

Ball Exit Speed Ratio

Now plug into the equation velocity of pitch at 80mph, and the bat velocity of 80mph. The BESR ratio is set at .728 (based on the studies).

I come up with a 116.48 mph missle coming off a bat.

I hope someone proves me wrong, just imagine an 90 mph pitch and a 80 mph swing. 118.76 mph


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It's still a joke.

Get busy living, or get busy dying.

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Originally posted by Rebel18:
It seems that this certification itself limits bat performance and renders high performance alloys more of a marketing tool than a difference maker. BESR is similar to restrictor plates in Nascar - they are both intended to limit speed.

BINGO!

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...Ultimately any slight advantage or disadvantage will be enhanced - or nullified-by the guy in the batter's box.

Fully agree with that statement. The determining factor is who is holding the bat. Not the bat itself.

Rebel18 - you make a good point. There is a limit on how fast the ball can come off of any bat that meets the BESR requirement per the NCAA standards. Now what sets bats apart from one another will not be just how fast the ball comes off of the bat (trust me, we could make a bat with a titanium shell that would be phenomenal), but in other features of the bat.

The most important of these features is how forgiving the bat is. BESR takes a number of factors into account (too many if you ask me). But just because a bat meets the BESR standard, it doesn't mean that it performs up to the BESR max within the entire area of the said sweet spot. A forgiving bat continues to give you good performance even when you don't hit the ball in the sweetest spot of the bat. This term is often used in golf as well. Our tests have shown that many bats are very sporadic in how fast the ball comes off of the bat from hit to it - bad consistency - not very forgiving. Our alloy happens to be very forgiving. We will publish the study from Rochester, NY Frozen Ropes soon.

Another factor of the bat is balance. Many bats these days are end weighted. Ours is even balanced. We feel like an even balanced bat allows for better bat control and a better ability to get the bat into the zone.

Finally, one more factor I will bring up that sets bats apart from one another is durability. Has anyone ever had a bat crack or break in half on them? The right combination of metals is crucial in the formation of an alloy for baseball bats. Some companies promote the use of certain ingredients the means for them to have a better bat. I won't get into which ingredients or which companies... but they do this as a standout material that the customer will focus on so that they believe that bat is the best bat out. We believe that the best alloy is designed when using the best ingredients that work best together. For example, the best teams are not formed by having power hitters 1 through 9. The best teams are formed by having the best combination of players with different talents 1 through 9.

So, let's hear from guys that have used the bat -- or whose sons have swung it.

My son struckout 15 times during the scrimmages...Do I need to get rid of him? Sorry guys the weather has me bored. Who has info on a good tennis racket?

Why not start making players starting at age 16 use a wood bat. This would limit the injury to pitchers and find out who can really swing the bat. IMO

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Originally posted by swingdoctor14:
My son struckout 15 times during the scrimmages...Do I need to get rid of him? Sorry guys the weather has me bored. Who has info on a good tennis racket?

The latest greatest bat is supposed to be the Louisville Exo Grid Bat. This bat is completely sold out almost everywhere. It is back ordered at all most all stores and internet sites.

Nike will let you try their new Aero Torque bat at no charge for 2 weeks.

Is their any scientific to tell which is the best bat by BESA testing or any other method.

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Originally posted by LIONS:

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Originally posted by swingdoctor14:
My son struckout 15 times during the scrimmages...Do I need to get rid of him? Sorry guys the weather has me bored. Who has info on a good tennis racket?

The latest greatest bat is supposed to be the Louisville Exo Grid Bat. This bat is completely sold out almost everywhere. It is back ordered at all most all stores and internet sites.

Nike will let you try their new Aero Torque bat at no charge for 2 weeks.

Is their any scientific to way tell which is the best bat by BESA testing or any other method.

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Originally posted by dfwdad08:
Why not start making players starting at age 16 use a wood bat. This would limit the injury to pitchers and find out who can really swing the bat. IMO

My son would love that. I think most of the kids like swinging wood.

SD - perhaps your son needs a trip to the swing doctor I hear he's pretty good -- his tutoring seems to have helped a few good hitters over the past 20 years -- two swinging it pretty well in Lubbock at the moment.

Kelley -- why don't you send an NFUEGO or two to Plano East, care of Coach Travis Collins. I'll let everyone know what the guys think of them.

Free advertising here -- can't hurt, eh?

We would love to, but we'll be sold out of them soon. We might have a demo over at Centerfield Academy in Plano in a couple of weeks.

Awww c'mon. Surely either you or your bro can find a blem laying around.

We don't make blems.

I'll bet these new bats have a pretty price tag. I'm sure glad I'm at the point now where I don't have to buy em. All I have to do now is check em.