New High School Pitch Count Rules

not sure what section you are in but ours doesn't operate in that manner.  CIF gets 50% and the schools split the rest.

Originally Posted by IEBSBL:

not sure what section you are in but ours doesn't operate in that manner.  CIF gets 50% and the schools split the rest.

I thought you were Co where the assn is CHSAA.

But it seems we’ve gotten pretty far off topic and I’d like to get back to discussing HS pitching limitations being changed pitch counts rather than innings. Here’s 3 fairly generic questions.

Does anyone really believe innings are a “better” way to limit HS pitchers than pitch counts?

Is it enough to let the coaches police themselves?

What is the best way to make that information available?

I was looking for information on the pitch count proposal and came across this bulletin from CHSAA. If you scroll down to the bottom of page 10, I think you’ll see that no matter what any section or coach wants to do, the state assn says MaxPreps will be used. And if you read the underlined sentence, you’ll see that it is indeed a real probability that a team that doesn’t post but is qualified for the playoffs will be shut out. Whether or not that happens is indeed a different matter, but I doubt if any coach who has a team he thinks will qualify won't be posting the required things.

http://www2.chsaa.org/sports/b...in/2014_Bulletin.pdf

No I am in the Southern Section of California

I can assure you of two things 1) I will not be posting stats on Maxpreps.  2) In May we will be in the playoffs.

Originally Posted by IEBSBL:

No I am in the Southern Section of California

Well that explains it. I’ll bet your agreement with MP isn’t the same as COs.

I can assure you of two things 1) I will not be posting stats on Maxpreps.  2) In May we will be in the playoffs.

Since there’s no requirement to do so, I’m sure you’re correct. But, if there was an agreement like COs in place, I’d bet large sums someone would be raising all kinds of Hell if you didn’t and still go into the playoffs. It seems plain to me that a sentence like this pretty much means do it or you’ll not be in the playoffs. CHSAA Baseball seeding committees will use the MaxPreps results as the sole source for information when seeding and pairing the playoffs.

Forgetting what anyone thinks about posting player stats, WTF is the big secret about posting game scores?

If you look at my comments I have never said anything about scores.  imhave always discussed stats.

The deal w/MP requires that rosters are uploaded and scores are reported - that's it. I wish they'd require more.

Just read an article that my state is now considering implementing pitch count rules. They probably won't be ready for next season, but possibly by 2017. Currently, a single great arm can get a team all the way through our playoff system, including the championship game. It is very common for the #1 pitcher on a team to be the main pitcher for all playoff games. The #2 pitcher may see some time, but nothing major. The #3 pitcher may see no time at all. Under the proposed guidelines, the #3 pitcher would need to be used by the third round. I'm sure this will ruffle some feathers, but ultimately, it seems to be the trend for the future.

Originally Posted by kandkfunk:

Just read an article that my state is now considering implementing pitch count rules. They probably won't be ready for next season, but possibly by 2017. Currently, a single great arm can get a team all the way through our playoff system, including the championship game. It is very common for the #1 pitcher on a team to be the main pitcher for all playoff games. The #2 pitcher may see some time, but nothing major. The #3 pitcher may see no time at all. Under the proposed guidelines, the #3 pitcher would need to be used by the third round. I'm sure this will ruffle some feathers, but ultimately, it seems to be the trend for the future.

What state are you talking about?

You said: “Currently, a single great arm can get a team all the way through our playoff system, including the championship game.” Not know what state you’re in it’s difficult to tell, but my guess is, if a team can really get by on a single great arm, the fault is in the weak pitching limitations the state assn. has invoked. Even if they go to pitch counts, unless they strengthen up the mandatory rest, it really won't change things much.

Luckily, people are finally buying into the ASMI limits on pitch counts COMBINED with their guidelines for mandatory rest, so it’s gonna be difficult for your state to keep weak limitations in effect.

Current rules are weak as far as rest goes. They are:

1)       A pitcher shall not pitch more than 12 innings on three consecutive days.

2)       EXAMPLE:  If he pitches two innings one day and four innings the second day, he is eligible to pitch only six innings the third day.  The number of innings pitched the previous two days must be taken into account in figuring the number of innings he is eligible to pitch on the third day.  Participation for any length of time in an inning as pitcher shall count as one inning.

3)       The penalty if a baseball player pitches in more than 12 innings in a three-day period is forfeiture of the contest in which the pitcher exceeds his limit.

Under the current rules, the #1 pitcher for the 2015 state champion team (in the highest classification) threw 21 innings over a 13-day stretch. In the second highest classification, the #1 pitcher of the 2015 state champion team pitched 22 of the team's 29 innings, over an 11-day span. I don't know how many total pitches those pitchers threw. We only report innings.

New rules currently being discussed include:

-A tiered system where pitch counts of 25+ in a single game will require increasing mandatory rest periods, depending on the final count.

-For example, throwing 76+ pitches in a single game will require four days rest before the next outing.

-capping the number of pitches, probably somewhere between 105 and 110 pitches in a single game.

Under the new guidelines, if a pitcher threw at least 76 pitches in a Monday first-round playoff game, he would not be eligible to pitch again the rest of the week, unless a game is weather-postponed to Saturday. That means in the highest classification, teams may have to start their No. 3 pitcher for a Friday quarterfinal game if their top two pitchers threw at least 76 pitches earlier in the week.

Of course, this is just a proposal in the very early stages of development, but it's a lot stricter than what we currently work under. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Wow, it's hard to even call those current rules "limitations" with a straight face.

Originally Posted by GHHS-2016LHP:

Wow, it's hard to even call those current rules "limitations" with a straight face.

Obviously you don’t have a lot of experience looking at HS pitch limits. Here’s something I put together a few years back. Some states may have changed, but you’ll get the gist of how the limits are seen. ==> http://www.infosports.com/scor...mages/pitlimitsa.pdf

Originally Posted by kandkfunk:

Current rules are weak as far as rest goes. They are:

Sure looks like Oregon to me.

New rules currently being discussed include:

-A tiered system where pitch counts of 25+ in a single game will require increasing mandatory rest periods, depending on the final count.

-For example, throwing 76+ pitches in a single game will require four days rest before the next outing.

-capping the number of pitches, probably somewhere between 105 and 110 pitches in a single game.

Under the new guidelines, if a pitcher threw at least 76 pitches in a Monday first-round playoff game, he would not be eligible to pitch again the rest of the week, unless a game is weather-postponed to Saturday. That means in the highest classification, teams may have to start their No. 3 pitcher for a Friday quarterfinal game if their top two pitchers threw at least 76 pitches earlier in the week.

Of course, this is just a proposal in the very early stages of development, but it's a lot stricter than what we currently work under. It will be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

That’s not exactly what the ASMI guidelines are, but it’s pretty close.

Here’s the confounding part of the whole mess. If the only entity with jurisdiction over all of amateur baseball in the country wasn’t such a wishy washy bunch of whoosies, they’d implement a standard for all levels, all ages, and all venues. If they did that, by the time players got to HS, the coaches, pitchers, and parents would all be used to what was gonna happen.

Instead, USA Baseball concentrates only on the different USA teams and refuses to challenge any of the individual organizations. Personally, I’d rather have the national organization looking out for the health of the 5 million or so amateurs than sending about a hundred or so of the top players in the country all over the world. What pi$$es me off is, they could certainly do both and do them well if they had the will to do it!