New high school playoof format

PA classifies schools by enrollment. Schools may petition to move up or stay up if their enrollment changes. It can't be done year to year.

Blue - it also changed the schools DIV category. For example, I believe you are now DI vs DIII. Previously, CIF was classifying its divisions based on enrollment numbers. There were MANY schools that had over 3000 students which put them in the DI category but couldn’t even field a JV team.

It’s a good change if you ask me. If you want the CIF reclassification list, PM me your email.

@bballdad 2016,

Since you seem to have some inside info on this new format. How does CC not get into the open division?
They may be one of the top teams in the nation this year and have been very good for a long time.

Will the format change yearly based on a new 5 year ranking after each season?

Re: CC's classification--my husband heard that teams are only allowed to change 2 divisions this year, and up or down only one division in subsequent years. You're right, though...it makes no sense that they would not be in Open. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Hmmm, I wonder how much CBS paid for that???

im647 - CC has to petition to the CIF board in order to change their division classification. I believe they are going to do just that. I think they would fair well in the open division. Another benefit to being in the open division is all go to the playoffs as opposed to D1 where there are 16 teams with only 12 going to the playoffs. Either way, CC should be in the playoffs regardless of their division. They have always been competitive.

The division classifications will change annually as I understand it. Lets say CC wins the D1 CIF championship, they would then be moved up to the open division the following year. Conversely, if they finished in the lower end of the open division, they would be placed in D1 the following year.

I don't have all the equations that the CIF used, but CC is "ranked" 2.85 on a 1-100 scale. They were DIII last year, so they can only move up to DI (2 up or 2 down). El Cap (4.55) is in the same situation...

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Originally posted by Blue10:
CIF San Diego just adopted a new way of running playoffs in a number of sports based on 5-year Maxpreps rankings instead of school enrollment. Baseball will adopt the new format this spring. Is this a common way of doing playoffs in your area? Do you feel it works well?

Right now, the only real hole I see in it is, its possible the rankings could be invalid because 1 or more opponents teams didn’t have all of its games in the system. It wouldn’t skew it much, but it could be just enough to muck things up.

Our section teams don’t have a big problem that way because our Ws & Ls are put in automatically. But every once in a while we’ll play a team in a tournament where that’s not the case, there’s some knucklehead coach who for some reason thinks that information will somehow give an opponents an advantage, or possibly even where a coach will alter the results to help his team get ranked higher.

Luckily, I think the last one is really rare, and the one before that becoming more rare every season. But, for teams where the games aren’t put in independently, there always gonna be mistakes made, purposely or not.

the rankings are based on the W/L record submitted to CIF, not MAXPREPS. There are many teams that do not use MAXPREPS for reasons stated by Stats. But the W/L and scores are submitted to CIF through out the season.

MAXREPS can be manipulated by anyone that is given access, the scorecard kept by the ump that is turned into CIF cannot.

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Originally posted by bballdad2016:
the rankings are based on the W/L record submitted to CIF, not MAXPREPS. There are many teams that do not use MAXPREPS for reasons stated by Stats. But the W/L and scores are submitted to CIF through out the season.

MAXREPS can be manipulated by anyone that is given access, the scorecard kept by the ump that is turned into CIF cannot.

Here’s where it would be nice to know the FACTS rather than what was written in some Newspaper article. They may both be the same thing, but obviously you know some “insider” information that he author of the article didn’t.

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BASEBALL

Using Maxpreps computerized rankings over the past five years.

A couple years back I tried to find out the algorithm MP used to come up with the rankings and found it to be a very closely guarded secret. Not because MP cared, but because they didn’t do it, but rather allowed someone else to do the rankings, then they post them.

I checked the SDS “green book” Article VII, and I didn’t see where they changed to the new format, and that makes it difficult to separate fact from fiction. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for a better way to designate divisions other than enrollment, but I’ve learned not to believe everything written the paper.

The paper says they’ll use MaxPreps rankings, you say CIF will do provide the information on which to base the rankings. I look at the SDS governance and can’t see where they’ve changes anything. Here’s where CIF being such a huge bureaucracy causes problems. We’re really like 10 different state assns., and that forces you to get into the bylaws of each in order to resolve questions in each.

Still sounds like an idea worthy of investigation!

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Originally posted by Blue10:
CIF San Diego just adopted a new way of running playoffs in a number of sports based on 5-year Maxpreps rankings instead of school enrollment. Baseball will adopt the new format this spring. Is this a common way of doing playoffs in your area? Do you feel it works well?

http://www.utsandiego.com/news...-high-schools-preps/

Here in Virginia we are in the last year of the current classification system - A, AA, AAA (A - small schools, AAA - large school). Beginning next school year it goes to up to 6A. Our local HS (current enrollent ~1400) will go from AA to 4A. Both the new and old classifications are still based on school enrollment. The current "districts" go away and are replaced with "conferences" - semantics really.

If I have it correct, playoff seedings will be based on W/L's and some sort of point system - not sure if I read that correctly. So I'm guessing we will have some sort of conference playoff or they'll just take the top 2-3 teams in the conference straight into regionals.

Currently we have 8 schools in our district. Top 4 teams advanced to the district tournament with the #1 seed guaranteed a regional berth (usually - if there are ties other factors come into play). The district seeding is based on district W/L record - non district games do not factor in. From the tournament 2-3 teams advance to regional's. Every 3rd year the district can only send 2 teams to regional's since the regional tournament is an 8 team bracket and the region only has 3 districts (Battlefield, Southside & Bay Rivers). The region champ and region runnerup advance to the state tournament (again an 8 team bracket).

Last year (my son's senior year) his varsity squad finished in a three way tie for 1st in the district (regular season) so the district tournament was used to determine which teams advanced to the region I playoffs. Fortunately, his team won the district tournament and hosted its first regional playoff in many years. Long story short the team was region I runner ups and were two outs away from advancing to the state final four.