I understand about the rolling period, but are you sure about drafted players? If they do not grad. it would have to count against grad rate.
Not too long ago I read a column by FAu's Cooney, and he was discussing just this subject, I could be wrong, but I read him to say it was just very difficult with draft and other unavoidable losses being included into calculations.
TPM, I went back and re-read (Diamond Diary 10-16-06), he stated that after 3 yrs a player needs 72 credits, a certain player mentioned had 71 and did not take SS (he was drafted) so it messed up his APR.
quote:Originally posted by Texan:
No, the 15 incoming players do not have to receive any 'ship at all. But if they do receive a 'ship, it must be 33% min.
JUCO transfers in major D1's aren't exactly unheard of now.
It certainly does appear that this change was not adequately thought through, however.
Texan, I'm just reading the quote from the financial aid excerpt that said: "For the 2008-09 academic year, institutions will be required to (1) provide all student-athletes initially enrolling in a four-year institution (freshmen, two-year transfers) a minimum equivalency of 33% in athletics aid;" It didn't say of those students who have been awarded an athletic scholarship, new enrollees must receive at minimum 33%. It said ALL new enrollees must receive a minimum of 33%. Is this quote inaccurate?
I understand that JC transfers are common today. I'm just saying that the new rules increase the motivators on both the players and coaches parts for this to increase significantly.
No, the quote is not accurate. Walkons are still permissible.
I have had this discussion with son's recruiting coach, it may hurt just a slight bit, that is why it is so important to keep your academic house in order and make sure your players graduate and have good GPA while they are there. That is why GPA will reign supreme.
Clemson has a lot of players that are drafted before they graduate, it most likely has made a samll dent in the APR, but if the draft really did affect it they would be in deep trouble.
I am NOT sure if drafted players are in the calculation. There is a difference between a player leaving a program voluntarily and one not being able to graduate due to poor academics. That, according to my understanding, is the issue.
Clemson has a lot of players that are drafted before they graduate, it most likely has made a samll dent in the APR, but if the draft really did affect it they would be in deep trouble.
I am NOT sure if drafted players are in the calculation. There is a difference between a player leaving a program voluntarily and one not being able to graduate due to poor academics. That, according to my understanding, is the issue.
It looks to me like it has more to do with credits (72 after 3 yrs) than actual GPA.
What makes no sense is the player who earns scholly (say after his fresh yr...then grads 4.0)...makes absolutely no effect on APR. APR is calc. on schollys/initially entered in school. So, APR and GSR is calc.only for players with scholly in effect upon entering school.
What makes no sense is the player who earns scholly (say after his fresh yr...then grads 4.0)...makes absolutely no effect on APR. APR is calc. on schollys/initially entered in school. So, APR and GSR is calc.only for players with scholly in effect upon entering school.
quote:Originally posted by Roadking:
Texan, I'm just reading the quote from the financial aid excerpt that said: "For the 2008-09 academic year, institutions will be required to (1) provide all student-athletes initially enrolling in a four-year institution (freshmen, two-year transfers) a minimum equivalency of 33% in athletics aid;" It didn't say of those students who have been awarded an athletic scholarship, new enrollees must receive at minimum 33%. It said ALL new enrollees must receive a minimum of 33%. Is this quote inaccurate?
Proper interpretation: If you are being given ANY athletic scholarship about, it must equal 33%. There is no requirement for a school to provide scholarships, or fund up to the maximum allowable number of slots (still 11.7).
As for Juco transfers, this will become more difficult instead of easier. Once the admission folks review the transcripts and courses of the Juco player, they will have to have completed 40% of the degree requirements in order to be eligible at the time of enrollment. If you aren't eligible in the fall, you aren't in the spring either.
This means that many Juco players will either have to attend summer school in order to meet the minimum credits at the 4 year college. If not, they may be required to sit out a year before they begin competition.
SO ... if you are headed to a Juco, you need to know what your major will be at a 4 year institution and take a course of study that will transfer easily. Contact the admission folks at the 4-year college you wish to head to and see what parts of your transcript will transfer (and what won't).
All players are going to be FORCED to be organized and plan ahead from the day they arrive on campus. Worst case scenario is to get an associates degree in a field of study that isn't offered at the college you wish to transfer to. All education is beneficial, but, since a lot of classes MAY not transfer at all (if the new college doesn't offer the course, or it's equivalent), you will have some serious catching up to do.
You can't use the fall semester to "get healthy" anymore if you are a Juco transfer.
Am pretty sure you are 100% correct, it's credit hours and hours in intended major (at third year). I have the credit rules at home. I can give them later for parents who want to keep tabs that their players are on tract.
Could it be that a drafted player who leaves ON graduation tract may not be counted?
I have a theory, Div 1 schools are being held accountable because of the fact that many schools have paid advisors to make sure that all athletes stay on track, but it's not happening in baseball (as you can imagine football and basketball players get much more attention).
An athlete is given the credit rules when he comes to school, but how many actually pay attention? Mine couldn't do it without an advisor. So are our players being penalized because someone is not doing his job?
I don't understand why loading up in the fall and lighter in the spring for baseball is a bad thing. As long as the player stays on tract who cares? Is it because loading up forces failure of class?
Could it be that a drafted player who leaves ON graduation tract may not be counted?
I have a theory, Div 1 schools are being held accountable because of the fact that many schools have paid advisors to make sure that all athletes stay on track, but it's not happening in baseball (as you can imagine football and basketball players get much more attention).
An athlete is given the credit rules when he comes to school, but how many actually pay attention? Mine couldn't do it without an advisor. So are our players being penalized because someone is not doing his job?
I don't understand why loading up in the fall and lighter in the spring for baseball is a bad thing. As long as the player stays on tract who cares? Is it because loading up forces failure of class?
if I read right that has been & will continue to be ok -quote:by tpm: why loading up in the fall and lighter in the spring for baseball is a bad thing
the situation they are changing is --
in the past if a player became academicly inelgible at the end of spring semester (by dropping or failing courses), he could use the fall term to become eligible again ... by adding last spring's failed/dropped classes to his normal fall load
that will no longer be the case .. he must BE eligable when fall term begins or sit that entire yr
that will mean summer school for those "living on the edge"
quote:I don't understand why loading up in the fall and lighter in the spring for baseball is a bad thing.
In our own lives, we take on extra loads at work and agree to certain volunteer jobs when we are able, but pull back when we don't have a lot of extra time or there are a lot of external pressures. To me, it makes a lot of sense to take more classes in the fall, when baseball season is not gobbling up every available minute.