Utah ID Showcase
January 3, 2004
Dixie High School
St. George, Utah
Arizona ID Showcase
January 10
Phoenix College
Phoenix, Arizona
Details and online applications coming soon.
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Utah is January? Apparently Bubba is confused?!?!?!
Bob,
Head cook and bottle washer around this place
Bob,
Head cook and bottle washer around this place
BamaBomber....you have a PM.
New ID Showcases are going up almost daily. Keep checking the hyperlink above this thread for one in your area.
No, Oh Grand One I still have my "limited" faculties at least for the present.. I thing I'll pack my heavy coat for this one, though.
No, Oh Grand One I still have my "limited" faculties at least for the present.. I thing I'll pack my heavy coat for this one, though.
Is this thing really worth $395?
All Regional ID Showcases are $295. Only the National ID is $395. The reason for the additional $100 is the overhead cost of flying 10 PG personnel in to cover the event.
Is it worth $395? I guess I'm not the person to answer this. You could ask one of last year's 406 Perfect Game participants who were drafted, or one of the thousands that are playing college baseball this year who were seen at a Perfect Game event, or call one of the 35 Major League Scouting Directors, or maybe one of the 2,500 college coaches.
Personally I don't think a spoon painted picture of a flower by Van Goss is worth $35 million, but some people do.
Is it worth $395? I guess I'm not the person to answer this. You could ask one of last year's 406 Perfect Game participants who were drafted, or one of the thousands that are playing college baseball this year who were seen at a Perfect Game event, or call one of the 35 Major League Scouting Directors, or maybe one of the 2,500 college coaches.
Personally I don't think a spoon painted picture of a flower by Van Goss is worth $35 million, but some people do.
I don't mean to be negative but do you have any idea when the results from the October Escondido ID Showcase will be available? We were told about two weeks. I believe it has been about five weeks. And how many more of these are scheduled?
sdballer,
The reports are done. We just need some time to go over everything before posting them.
JAX,
Allow me to correct the honorable "Bama Bomber"
First the cost for the National ID Camp is $350, or $55 more than the regional ID Camps.
Is it worth it?
Trying to be completely honest... It depends on the player who is attending.
If he thinks it is important to know what we think about his ability compared to others throughout the country. It's well worth it!
If he has the potential to become a college or professional player. It's very much worth it!
If he can't play a lick and has no future in the game. It's probably a complete waste of money!
While we try hard to give everyone an equal opportunity, the best players always receive the most benifit. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
The reports are done. We just need some time to go over everything before posting them.
JAX,
Allow me to correct the honorable "Bama Bomber"
First the cost for the National ID Camp is $350, or $55 more than the regional ID Camps.
Is it worth it?
Trying to be completely honest... It depends on the player who is attending.
If he thinks it is important to know what we think about his ability compared to others throughout the country. It's well worth it!
If he has the potential to become a college or professional player. It's very much worth it!
If he can't play a lick and has no future in the game. It's probably a complete waste of money!
While we try hard to give everyone an equal opportunity, the best players always receive the most benifit. Anyway, that's the way I see it.
Jax,
The services that PG provide are relevant to the players who feel that they have ability. I cannot believe how many people still say to me that "if you are good they will find you". I know of many players right now scrambling to find a school to play for while players of lesser ability (imo) have already found theirs because those players have gone to a PG event, or to Jupiter and also used the HSBBW to educate themselves.
If you go to websites of schools after National Signing Day, everyone of them mention PG's rankings if a player is ranked.
I also feel that if a kid doesn't know how he compares, he will after some of the PG events. He will also learn what it takes to be at the level he wants to compete at.
I am not advocating going to every event that PG has, but any event that they have is worth the money paid. They are first class all the way. They are also tied into baseball nationally and at all levels. What really sets them apart lately is that they now hold events all over the country and put all of that info into a database. Universities all over the country now have access to players everywhere.
"I love the HSBBW"
The services that PG provide are relevant to the players who feel that they have ability. I cannot believe how many people still say to me that "if you are good they will find you". I know of many players right now scrambling to find a school to play for while players of lesser ability (imo) have already found theirs because those players have gone to a PG event, or to Jupiter and also used the HSBBW to educate themselves.
If you go to websites of schools after National Signing Day, everyone of them mention PG's rankings if a player is ranked.
I also feel that if a kid doesn't know how he compares, he will after some of the PG events. He will also learn what it takes to be at the level he wants to compete at.
I am not advocating going to every event that PG has, but any event that they have is worth the money paid. They are first class all the way. They are also tied into baseball nationally and at all levels. What really sets them apart lately is that they now hold events all over the country and put all of that info into a database. Universities all over the country now have access to players everywhere.
"I love the HSBBW"
I was one of those questioning... "Is it worth it?" When looking at PG showcases. I waited until my son was a junior, because of the cost. But I was always told PG was one of the top showcases around, so I waited until one where the travel didn't cost a lot.
Well, all I can tell you... is now after my son has attended a showcase and a WWBA tournament.
It was worth every penny.
SDBALLER.. patience you'll get Stephen's report soon enough. The Escondido Showcase was NOV 15th.. Two weeks ago... Give them some time. If you'll notice SEPT showcase reports were just posted a couple weeks ago.
Well, all I can tell you... is now after my son has attended a showcase and a WWBA tournament.
It was worth every penny.
SDBALLER.. patience you'll get Stephen's report soon enough. The Escondido Showcase was NOV 15th.. Two weeks ago... Give them some time. If you'll notice SEPT showcase reports were just posted a couple weeks ago.
My 04 son has only attended one small regional PG event, and our cost was relatively small because it was within driving distance ... no airfare, just hotel. I think we paid $295 or $395 for the showcase fee, and his actual participation took only a couple of hours. He's not a national-level prospect, and didn't have college coaches calling him after the event, so was it worth it? Absolutely worth every penny. For him, it was an exceptional opportunity to rub elbows with, and stand on the mound or in the batter's box against, some D1-type talent (including a 2003 2nd round draft pick), see what he needed to work on, and get an honest evaluation from a source we believe is very credible. He's been working very hard in the off-season to improve where he knows it is needed, and will definitely attend another PG event in a few months.
Just a question. My son received an invite to an ID camp in New York in Dec. He plays primarily outfield and pitches some but would prefer to play CF in college. Due to grades and SAT scores, it looks like D2 is the route he will take or Jr. college. Since he plays CF as his primary position, is it a waste for him since I see no mention in the information sent about outfielders, only infielders, catchers & pitchers exhibiting their skills? Just curious.
PAbbMom,
Maybe Bama Bomber will be able to answer your question (in case you don't know, he is now a member of the Perfect Game staff). But if he doesn't reply here, don't be afraid to call the Perfect Game office and ask them that question. They are very helpful. Also, you could look up the Player Reports from previous PG events, and see how many players listed OF as their primary position, and what the reports said about those players, just to give you an idea of what skills might be evaluated.
Maybe Bama Bomber will be able to answer your question (in case you don't know, he is now a member of the Perfect Game staff). But if he doesn't reply here, don't be afraid to call the Perfect Game office and ask them that question. They are very helpful. Also, you could look up the Player Reports from previous PG events, and see how many players listed OF as their primary position, and what the reports said about those players, just to give you an idea of what skills might be evaluated.
SDBB:
This must have been a tough two weeks, because it sure seems like it's been five weeks. I need a vacation. Sorry PG.
This must have been a tough two weeks, because it sure seems like it's been five weeks. I need a vacation. Sorry PG.
PABBMom,
The Nyack, New York event would not be the best event for your son since his primary position is an outfielder. This event is being held indoors due to weather conditions in the NE. Hopefully he can attend one of the events next summer in the area. We should have a summer schedule worked out for that reagion soon.
Maybe he could attend the National ID Camp in Ft. Meyers? It would give mom some "sun time" too.
The Nyack, New York event would not be the best event for your son since his primary position is an outfielder. This event is being held indoors due to weather conditions in the NE. Hopefully he can attend one of the events next summer in the area. We should have a summer schedule worked out for that reagion soon.
Maybe he could attend the National ID Camp in Ft. Meyers? It would give mom some "sun time" too.
sdballer05,
No problem. We know how everyone is anxious to see their evaluations and we work hard to get them done as soon as possible. It takes us awhile because we want to make sure everything is as accurate as possible AND we have a lot of these to do (over 1,500 players at Jupiter).
No problem. We know how everyone is anxious to see their evaluations and we work hard to get them done as soon as possible. It takes us awhile because we want to make sure everything is as accurate as possible AND we have a lot of these to do (over 1,500 players at Jupiter).
I went to the Perfect Game Website looking for the info on the Nyack, NY ID Showcase. Can someone give me the information on it? Is it just for pitchers and catchers or would it be fitting for a mid-infielder?
Thanks in advance
Thanks in advance
The brochure listed infield players too. Just not outfielders. I believe time was divided between pitchers & catchers and then infielders were tested separately. Someone else may have more accurate times since it didn't fit my son I didn't keep it.
mdfather,
Email me at g.legg@perfectgame.org and I will answer your questions, or you can access the Nyack ID from the Perfect Game website. Click on the ID Showcases link and follow the appropriate links to the Nyack ID Showcase.
The afternoon session is for infielder evaluations.
Email me at g.legg@perfectgame.org and I will answer your questions, or you can access the Nyack ID from the Perfect Game website. Click on the ID Showcases link and follow the appropriate links to the Nyack ID Showcase.
The afternoon session is for infielder evaluations.
When are the details going to be available on the Phoenix ID showcase? I looked on the PG site and could not find them.
thanks,
thanks,
Coons2004,
They are up. Follow the links from the ID Showcase button at the top of the page. If you have problems email me at g.legg@perfectgame.org
They are up. Follow the links from the ID Showcase button at the top of the page. If you have problems email me at g.legg@perfectgame.org
Bama Bomber
You have a PM!
You have a PM!
Hold on just a minut3. I find this hard to believe. Did I read here that Perfect Game takes credit for 406 youth baseball players signing contracts because they come to Perfect Game events. I can get two guys down the street take a look at my son for $295. And too pay an extra $100 so PG can fly staff to a location
Pug....
My son hasn't attended one of the PG events yet, but you've got to be kidding!!!! You really can't figure-out why the costs are as they are!!!!
Do you get paid for what you do, sleep some place, eat, purchase gasoline, take a plane ride, rent space, pay employees (part time or full)??? Come on, "hello, anybody home"?????
If they said they gave "exposure" for 406 players inorder for them to sign, would that make you happy. PG has created a venue for our kids to be critiqued by literally scores of scouts and college coaches, nationwide, throught-out the year. Yes, most of the events are in Florida. So what!!!! We're from the Chicago area, and until recently, you either went to Florida, Cedar Rapids, or several other key locations.
Do you mind having your son attend a college camp? Costs are only a little bit less.
Never mind what I have posted, your son is so good that "they" will find him, no matter what, without going to a showcase or camp, because you taught him everything he knows. Save the $295.00 or $395.00 from the showcase and by him an X Box.
"You observe a lot by watching."
My son hasn't attended one of the PG events yet, but you've got to be kidding!!!! You really can't figure-out why the costs are as they are!!!!
Do you get paid for what you do, sleep some place, eat, purchase gasoline, take a plane ride, rent space, pay employees (part time or full)??? Come on, "hello, anybody home"?????
If they said they gave "exposure" for 406 players inorder for them to sign, would that make you happy. PG has created a venue for our kids to be critiqued by literally scores of scouts and college coaches, nationwide, throught-out the year. Yes, most of the events are in Florida. So what!!!! We're from the Chicago area, and until recently, you either went to Florida, Cedar Rapids, or several other key locations.
Do you mind having your son attend a college camp? Costs are only a little bit less.
Never mind what I have posted, your son is so good that "they" will find him, no matter what, without going to a showcase or camp, because you taught him everything he knows. Save the $295.00 or $395.00 from the showcase and by him an X Box.
"You observe a lot by watching."
Pug,
There were a large number of Scouting Directors and National Cross Checkers at our event last week. These are the key people who make draft decisions. If a couple of them live down the street from you, give them a call.
We have never taken credit for MLB signing draft picks. The absolute truth is as follows. Over the past two drafts nearly 800 players who have partcipated in PG events have been drafted by MLB clubs. That includes 34 first round selections!
Bottom line... The majority of the top high school players attend PG events. All MLB Clubs and Major Colleges know this. We work very closely with most of them.
So you are very welcome to get the two guys down the street to look at your son, as is everyone else. I don't understand your need or intent in posting that information.
I can only say, if your son is a prospect, it is very beneficial for him to be seen by PG. There are many very wealthy young players and college students who will attest to that. If he can't play, call the two guys down the street and save your money.
There were a large number of Scouting Directors and National Cross Checkers at our event last week. These are the key people who make draft decisions. If a couple of them live down the street from you, give them a call.
We have never taken credit for MLB signing draft picks. The absolute truth is as follows. Over the past two drafts nearly 800 players who have partcipated in PG events have been drafted by MLB clubs. That includes 34 first round selections!
Bottom line... The majority of the top high school players attend PG events. All MLB Clubs and Major Colleges know this. We work very closely with most of them.
So you are very welcome to get the two guys down the street to look at your son, as is everyone else. I don't understand your need or intent in posting that information.
I can only say, if your son is a prospect, it is very beneficial for him to be seen by PG. There are many very wealthy young players and college students who will attest to that. If he can't play, call the two guys down the street and save your money.
PGSTAFF,
Can you please tell me when the ratings and in a couple cases the profiles be up on the PG website.
11/1 Troy ID Showcase Ratings
11/8 Decatur ID Showcase Ratings
11/15 ID Showcase Ratings
12/13 Ft. Myers Showcase Profiles & Ratings
12/27 Nyack ID Showcase Profiles & Ratings
Thanks in advance
Can you please tell me when the ratings and in a couple cases the profiles be up on the PG website.
11/1 Troy ID Showcase Ratings
11/8 Decatur ID Showcase Ratings
11/15 ID Showcase Ratings
12/13 Ft. Myers Showcase Profiles & Ratings
12/27 Nyack ID Showcase Profiles & Ratings
Thanks in advance
The elite attitude of PG still prevails. Do you really believe that professional baseball clubs need the assistance of PG to determine who should be drafted? And by the way as you perhaps know since you folks are the experts, only 52% of the boys that are drafted play in the majors. I will not bore you with additional stats. I might point out also that most boys do not even come close to being drafted - what does Perfect Game really do for them that other organizations don't do. Talk to me about having 22-25 boys on a PG roster and a kid that gets three innings in one of your showcases - and you know it happens all the time. And then you come up with ID camps so you get money twice or more from parents. It is about time someone puts the truth out. I believe Mr. and Mrs Ford are wonderful prople and set out to do good things. Once you start making money you change and PG has changed. So please understand some of us do understand the game and a great deal more than you think about recruiting.
BAMA,
Just saw the new listings for June/July ID camps. We could conceivably attend any one of them, but am wondering if the current calendar for the months of June and July may still be 'fleshed out' a bit more? Southwest or West Coast maybe??
Thanks in advance,
Bob
"Son, when you pitch a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know."
Just saw the new listings for June/July ID camps. We could conceivably attend any one of them, but am wondering if the current calendar for the months of June and July may still be 'fleshed out' a bit more? Southwest or West Coast maybe??
Thanks in advance,
Bob
"Son, when you pitch a strike, Mr. Hornsby will let you know."
Pug...It appears that you or your son might have had a bad experience at one of the PG events. Why don't you call Jerry Ford and talk to him about it? He is a reasonable man and could probably lend an explanation to whatever you are angry about.
We attended two PG's events and would have attended more had we learned about PG in time. We were not baseball savvy early on and didn't learn about PG until the end of son's junior year in high school. Son had a wonderful experience each time.
Go ahead, give Jerry or Andy a call.
We attended two PG's events and would have attended more had we learned about PG in time. We were not baseball savvy early on and didn't learn about PG until the end of son's junior year in high school. Son had a wonderful experience each time.
Go ahead, give Jerry or Andy a call.
Pug,
I think you are way off base.
"Do you really believe that professional baseball clubs need the assistance of PG to determine who should be drafted?" Perhaps not as much as the players benefit from it. I personally know the parents of 04 players who attended a major PG event, and within a day or two, pro scouts had started calling the player's high school coach. Probably just coincidental timing?
"Once you start making money you change..."
I used to do my job (web development) as a hobby, but once I started doing it fulltime, I had to charge money for it! I have to pay for the building I do my work in, buy equipment, and even pay the electric bill and put food on the table for my family. I know my clients might wish I would do my work for free, but none of that stuff comes free to me, so I can't. I'm guessing that Perfect Game doesn't get all of the goods and services they need to do this job for free, either.
I think you are way off base.
"Do you really believe that professional baseball clubs need the assistance of PG to determine who should be drafted?" Perhaps not as much as the players benefit from it. I personally know the parents of 04 players who attended a major PG event, and within a day or two, pro scouts had started calling the player's high school coach. Probably just coincidental timing?
"Once you start making money you change..."
I used to do my job (web development) as a hobby, but once I started doing it fulltime, I had to charge money for it! I have to pay for the building I do my work in, buy equipment, and even pay the electric bill and put food on the table for my family. I know my clients might wish I would do my work for free, but none of that stuff comes free to me, so I can't. I'm guessing that Perfect Game doesn't get all of the goods and services they need to do this job for free, either.
Pug,
I, too, could offer the 2 guys down the street $295.00 for an assessment of my son but: 1. It would be biased as they both think my son is the next best thing to chocolate ice cream based upon his accomplishments locally...2. How can they determine where my son stacks up against the "best" players from across the country...3. How many scouts are flocking to my small street to just watch my son(think they have the "pull" to draw them)
Perfect Game is about exposure and being rated against the best competition in the country.
Where else can you have the opportunity to play in front of approximately 200 college coaches and let us not forget that these guys talk amongst each other and refer to each other...Coach A may not need a catcher but Coach B may and Coach A could say I saw a great one at a PG event and pass on your sons info...which BTW actually happened with 2 colleges that recruited my son.
Unless you have actually attended an event you can not legitimally make an assessment of the pros and cons
Now back to those 2 guys down the street...think for $295.00 they can offer you the above or will they have a grand old time at your expense
I, too, could offer the 2 guys down the street $295.00 for an assessment of my son but: 1. It would be biased as they both think my son is the next best thing to chocolate ice cream based upon his accomplishments locally...2. How can they determine where my son stacks up against the "best" players from across the country...3. How many scouts are flocking to my small street to just watch my son(think they have the "pull" to draw them)
Perfect Game is about exposure and being rated against the best competition in the country.
Where else can you have the opportunity to play in front of approximately 200 college coaches and let us not forget that these guys talk amongst each other and refer to each other...Coach A may not need a catcher but Coach B may and Coach A could say I saw a great one at a PG event and pass on your sons info...which BTW actually happened with 2 colleges that recruited my son.
Unless you have actually attended an event you can not legitimally make an assessment of the pros and cons
Now back to those 2 guys down the street...think for $295.00 they can offer you the above or will they have a grand old time at your expense
For informational purposes I posted the above and have no clue how I became ID Camps....maybe I will start one to compete with the 2 guys down the street 
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away.
Krakatoa,
The dates listed on the ID Showcase webpage will not likely change, but new ones will be added as our Regional Directors establish them. We will have more in the southwest and west coast, along with several new tournaments in that area this coming summer.
The dates listed on the ID Showcase webpage will not likely change, but new ones will be added as our Regional Directors establish them. We will have more in the southwest and west coast, along with several new tournaments in that area this coming summer.
Why do I care how my son stacks up against competition. That is about as silly as anything this site, evidently run by PG, has ever offered. Since when does PG offer college scholarships? You folks make money on ranking kids and do it over and over - what a terrible thing to do. And the ones you rank - the so called 406 - do not need your help. What about the average ball player that peaks late in his high school career. What about the kid that is 5 11 155 lbs that is a second baseman who plays 6 innings at your showcase. How do you rate him. And how many of the 200 coaches you claim,which only happens at Jupiter - where 1200 boys play - see that boy. The cream is easy to help sir.
This is the last time I will post. Am I bitter - of course not. PG making money is fine. But provide a service and tell people the truth. Why do you think parents send their boys to ID camps? Did it ever enter your mind that is for exposure. Why did you not tell parents that D1 schools would not be at Ft Myers. I know the reason you did not tell them and so do you. Your answer is we do not plan for them to be there - if that is the case tell parents. What about the Mom that called your office and was told - believe me - that PG would not hold an event if DI could not come. Or the other Mom that called a college coach to see if they would be in Ft Myers and was told the truth. She called your office and she got her money back. I can go on and on. And by the way, did any of you notice the Mom in the parking lot at Juipter that had tears in her eyes as her son walked through the entrance. Guess what guys - she did not have $10 to watch her son play. Now let be see - must pay to play - airfare - hotel- food - misc - and you charge money to the parents to see the boy play. Well I guess your staff will watch that boy closely and make sure he has a shot at college ball or maybe, just maybe, you will invite him to another PG.
Baseball is a special game. At the youth level more special than any sport. I have been around this game a very very long time and I believe PG needs to set down and think about their goals and objectives. Really no reason to reply guys. I will not be talking about this again. More needs to be said and you know it. And in your hearts you know I am right. Am I missing the boat?
This is the last time I will post. Am I bitter - of course not. PG making money is fine. But provide a service and tell people the truth. Why do you think parents send their boys to ID camps? Did it ever enter your mind that is for exposure. Why did you not tell parents that D1 schools would not be at Ft Myers. I know the reason you did not tell them and so do you. Your answer is we do not plan for them to be there - if that is the case tell parents. What about the Mom that called your office and was told - believe me - that PG would not hold an event if DI could not come. Or the other Mom that called a college coach to see if they would be in Ft Myers and was told the truth. She called your office and she got her money back. I can go on and on. And by the way, did any of you notice the Mom in the parking lot at Juipter that had tears in her eyes as her son walked through the entrance. Guess what guys - she did not have $10 to watch her son play. Now let be see - must pay to play - airfare - hotel- food - misc - and you charge money to the parents to see the boy play. Well I guess your staff will watch that boy closely and make sure he has a shot at college ball or maybe, just maybe, you will invite him to another PG.
Baseball is a special game. At the youth level more special than any sport. I have been around this game a very very long time and I believe PG needs to set down and think about their goals and objectives. Really no reason to reply guys. I will not be talking about this again. More needs to be said and you know it. And in your hearts you know I am right. Am I missing the boat?
Pug,
I'm very sorry you feel the way you do. Obviously you and/or your son had a bad experience with Perfect Game. I will let Jerry answer your comments, but do have a few observations:
1. You don't seem to question what they were doing while they were loosing money in a start up business, but now that you feel they are making boat loads of it you take issue. Interesting example of class envy.
2. I have met many people involved in baseball over the last 25 years, some good - some bad. I have found people who are merchandizing parents and young people with grand schemes and promises. Jerry Ford is not one of them. He has a genuine interest in making the game better and helping as many young men advance their careers as possible.
3. Most of the people working for Perfect Game, if not all, are making peanuts in comparison to what they could be making elsewhere and working under conditions that many would not (12-14 hour days, six - seven days a week, traveling away from home ALOT).
4. Most other organizations doing what PG does work out of their garage/house with few employees. PG has a large overhead and a large staff of employees to support. PG is a business and has to make a profit to grow and expand the business or get a government hand out (I don't know of a government program to support PG, do you?) or go broke.
5. In the four years I have been associated with them I have heard FEW complaints. A couple of these had to do with an employee, while the others were generally associated with "Little Johnny's poor" evaluation. I'll say this, then I will shut up: PG always sides with the highest evaluation possible, but we will not lie and loose our credibility with those who have come to trust our scouting reports.
Jerry Ford and I talked off and on for about 1 1/2 to 2 years about the possibility of me going to work for PG. This last June I made the decision to do so. I didn't have to do so. I was gainfully employed in an occupation that I had been involved in since 1977. I chose to go to work for PG because I believe in what they do and believe they have young people's best interest at heart.
Are we perfect, not at all, but we try to do the very best job possibly at what we do. Again, I am sorry you had a bad experience and I can only speculate as to why. I also know that PG has had a positive impact in the lives of a lot of young men in the past and hopefully many more in the future.
I'm very sorry you feel the way you do. Obviously you and/or your son had a bad experience with Perfect Game. I will let Jerry answer your comments, but do have a few observations:
1. You don't seem to question what they were doing while they were loosing money in a start up business, but now that you feel they are making boat loads of it you take issue. Interesting example of class envy.
2. I have met many people involved in baseball over the last 25 years, some good - some bad. I have found people who are merchandizing parents and young people with grand schemes and promises. Jerry Ford is not one of them. He has a genuine interest in making the game better and helping as many young men advance their careers as possible.
3. Most of the people working for Perfect Game, if not all, are making peanuts in comparison to what they could be making elsewhere and working under conditions that many would not (12-14 hour days, six - seven days a week, traveling away from home ALOT).
4. Most other organizations doing what PG does work out of their garage/house with few employees. PG has a large overhead and a large staff of employees to support. PG is a business and has to make a profit to grow and expand the business or get a government hand out (I don't know of a government program to support PG, do you?) or go broke.
5. In the four years I have been associated with them I have heard FEW complaints. A couple of these had to do with an employee, while the others were generally associated with "Little Johnny's poor" evaluation. I'll say this, then I will shut up: PG always sides with the highest evaluation possible, but we will not lie and loose our credibility with those who have come to trust our scouting reports.
Jerry Ford and I talked off and on for about 1 1/2 to 2 years about the possibility of me going to work for PG. This last June I made the decision to do so. I didn't have to do so. I was gainfully employed in an occupation that I had been involved in since 1977. I chose to go to work for PG because I believe in what they do and believe they have young people's best interest at heart.
Are we perfect, not at all, but we try to do the very best job possibly at what we do. Again, I am sorry you had a bad experience and I can only speculate as to why. I also know that PG has had a positive impact in the lives of a lot of young men in the past and hopefully many more in the future.
Pug,
This is getting to be just a bit too obvious. Didn’t know we had any enemies in Sarasota. That is if you’re really from Sarasota. Oddly enough all but one of your posts have negative remarks towards PG. Below is your first post.
posted by PUG January 14, 2004 06:02 PM January 14, 2004 06:02 PM
I took a fast look this afternoon and could not believe the terrible comments that were being made about the Blue-Grey especially by Catcher Dad. My son attended the Blue-Grey this past year at William & Mary and also Coastal Carolina. Both he and I were so pleased. He had also gone to TEAM ONE and Perfect Game and Blue-Grey was the best. I was able to talk with the coaching staff at Blue-Grey including Mike Jones about what my next step should be with my son. They ask me to call them if they could help. I had no access to TEAM ONE and Perfect Game staff. The Coastal Carolina staff was at the Showcase. I know I talked with them. If TEAM ONE and Perfect Game had a banquet my son was not invited. The Blue-Grey banquet was a good experience.Catcher Dad was not at the same banquet that my son and I were at. Number of coaches is not the most important thing folks. You need to market your son. My son signed early at the DI level and got lots on baseball money. Blue-Grey did not do it all - but helped a lot. Perfect Game and Team One did nothing. Guess my son was not good enough.
Pug, We also respect Team One and what they do.
Here is the only post you have made without ripping into Perfect Game in some way. By the way we agree with you on this.
posted by PUG January 15, 2004 04:49 AM
Sal Bando, Jr. is one of the best young collge coaches in America. All Carolina baseball prospects should call Coach Bando and ask about his camps. Learn from him and put the program on your list to consider.
Pug, Here is the story about High Point’s early recruiting class. It’s taken from their website
HIGH POINT WEBSITE ARTICLE
High Point head baseball coach Sal Bando, Jr. has announced that the Panthers signed six student-athletes to national letters-of-intent during the early signing period.
Joining the Panthers from Florida are Eammon Portice (RHP, 6-1, 165, Fort Lauderdale, Fla.) and Jesse Green (LHP/1B, 6-3, 220, Pompano Beach, Fla.). Portice is currently ranked the 65th-best prospect in the country by Perfect Game, and 14th in the state of Florida. He went 10-2 last year in 91.2 innings pitched with an 0.76 earned-run average, and struck out 134 while walking just 28. He earned first-team All-County and third-team All-State honors.
Green is the 286th-ranked recruit nationally and 54th in Florida. Green hit .417 with six home runs while going 10-2 on the mound with an ERA of 1.33.
The Panthers also signed two other right-handed pitchers in James “Bubba” O’Donnell (6-1, 170, Millville, N.J.) and Matt Schlanger (6-1, 215, Kingston, N.Y.). O’Donnell is the No. 7-ranked prospect in New Jersey, while Schlanger is a strong-armed two-time All-County performer who struck out 73 hitters in 49 innings of work last summer.
The fifth and final prospect to sign is Randy Schwartz (3B/RHP, 6-4, 200, Kleinburg, Ontario). Schwartz is the No. 4-ranked prospect in Canada and 252nd overall. He is a Team Ontario product and is coming off a summer where he competed with the Canadian national team.
“We are very excited about the young men we signed," Bando said. "Our objective was to upgrade the level of talent and address the fact that we are graduating five pitchers. I think we are off to a great start, but still have more work to do.”
Pug,
Notice the PG rankings used. For your info Eammon Portice attended the PG National and the PG World Championship. Jesse Green attended the PG World Championship. James O’Donnell attended PG SE, PG NE, PG World, PG Underclassmen, etc., Matt Schlanger attended the PG World Championship, Randy Schwartz attended PG MW, PG NE, and PG World Championship. I fully agree that coach Bando knows what he’s doing. And it looks like they show a big interest in Perfect Game players and Perfect Game rankings. Or am I missing the boat?
As I said you are way too obvious, but we wish you and your son the very best. Even those that are disappointed in us wouldn’t continually waste their time posting these negative remarks. What is your objective anyway? If it’s some kind of business thing, that’s not our expertise. We don’t compete with anyone and we have repeated over and over that Perfect Game is far from perfect.
Pug, Please find anywhere we have ever used the word “EXPERT” to describe ourselves. I don’t even like the word!
We do understand that many people understand the game and know a great deal about recruiting, it’s just that you apparently don't seem to be one of them. PG has changed and for the better over the years. As far as the “elite” attitude you couldn’t be further from the truth. I totally agree that Mr. and Mrs. Ford are wonderful people. It’s too bad they can’t afford to live in the rich district. I really don't think you know very much about us. In fact, I for one, don't think we're any big deal. I just love what we do!
This is getting to be just a bit too obvious. Didn’t know we had any enemies in Sarasota. That is if you’re really from Sarasota. Oddly enough all but one of your posts have negative remarks towards PG. Below is your first post.
posted by PUG January 14, 2004 06:02 PM January 14, 2004 06:02 PM
I took a fast look this afternoon and could not believe the terrible comments that were being made about the Blue-Grey especially by Catcher Dad. My son attended the Blue-Grey this past year at William & Mary and also Coastal Carolina. Both he and I were so pleased. He had also gone to TEAM ONE and Perfect Game and Blue-Grey was the best. I was able to talk with the coaching staff at Blue-Grey including Mike Jones about what my next step should be with my son. They ask me to call them if they could help. I had no access to TEAM ONE and Perfect Game staff. The Coastal Carolina staff was at the Showcase. I know I talked with them. If TEAM ONE and Perfect Game had a banquet my son was not invited. The Blue-Grey banquet was a good experience.Catcher Dad was not at the same banquet that my son and I were at. Number of coaches is not the most important thing folks. You need to market your son. My son signed early at the DI level and got lots on baseball money. Blue-Grey did not do it all - but helped a lot. Perfect Game and Team One did nothing. Guess my son was not good enough.
Pug, We also respect Team One and what they do.
Here is the only post you have made without ripping into Perfect Game in some way. By the way we agree with you on this.
posted by PUG January 15, 2004 04:49 AM
Sal Bando, Jr. is one of the best young collge coaches in America. All Carolina baseball prospects should call Coach Bando and ask about his camps. Learn from him and put the program on your list to consider.
Pug, Here is the story about High Point’s early recruiting class. It’s taken from their website
HIGH POINT WEBSITE ARTICLE
High Point head baseball coach Sal Bando, Jr. has announced that the Panthers signed six student-athletes to national letters-of-intent during the early signing period.
Joining the Panthers from Florida are Eammon Portice (RHP, 6-1, 165, Fort Lauderdale, Fla.) and Jesse Green (LHP/1B, 6-3, 220, Pompano Beach, Fla.). Portice is currently ranked the 65th-best prospect in the country by Perfect Game, and 14th in the state of Florida. He went 10-2 last year in 91.2 innings pitched with an 0.76 earned-run average, and struck out 134 while walking just 28. He earned first-team All-County and third-team All-State honors.
Green is the 286th-ranked recruit nationally and 54th in Florida. Green hit .417 with six home runs while going 10-2 on the mound with an ERA of 1.33.
The Panthers also signed two other right-handed pitchers in James “Bubba” O’Donnell (6-1, 170, Millville, N.J.) and Matt Schlanger (6-1, 215, Kingston, N.Y.). O’Donnell is the No. 7-ranked prospect in New Jersey, while Schlanger is a strong-armed two-time All-County performer who struck out 73 hitters in 49 innings of work last summer.
The fifth and final prospect to sign is Randy Schwartz (3B/RHP, 6-4, 200, Kleinburg, Ontario). Schwartz is the No. 4-ranked prospect in Canada and 252nd overall. He is a Team Ontario product and is coming off a summer where he competed with the Canadian national team.
“We are very excited about the young men we signed," Bando said. "Our objective was to upgrade the level of talent and address the fact that we are graduating five pitchers. I think we are off to a great start, but still have more work to do.”
Pug,
Notice the PG rankings used. For your info Eammon Portice attended the PG National and the PG World Championship. Jesse Green attended the PG World Championship. James O’Donnell attended PG SE, PG NE, PG World, PG Underclassmen, etc., Matt Schlanger attended the PG World Championship, Randy Schwartz attended PG MW, PG NE, and PG World Championship. I fully agree that coach Bando knows what he’s doing. And it looks like they show a big interest in Perfect Game players and Perfect Game rankings. Or am I missing the boat?
As I said you are way too obvious, but we wish you and your son the very best. Even those that are disappointed in us wouldn’t continually waste their time posting these negative remarks. What is your objective anyway? If it’s some kind of business thing, that’s not our expertise. We don’t compete with anyone and we have repeated over and over that Perfect Game is far from perfect.
Pug, Please find anywhere we have ever used the word “EXPERT” to describe ourselves. I don’t even like the word!
We do understand that many people understand the game and know a great deal about recruiting, it’s just that you apparently don't seem to be one of them. PG has changed and for the better over the years. As far as the “elite” attitude you couldn’t be further from the truth. I totally agree that Mr. and Mrs. Ford are wonderful people. It’s too bad they can’t afford to live in the rich district. I really don't think you know very much about us. In fact, I for one, don't think we're any big deal. I just love what we do!
Pug,
I was going to let this thread slide. I believe that most folks can understand that You have a problem with the Perfect Game organization. Although for the life of me I cannot figure out exactly why, from your posts. Unless it is the fact that they are running a business that may or may not be making money.
You did make two (2) statements that I felt compelled to respond to:
1) Why do I care how my son stacks up against competition?
Maybe a statement/question like that really doesn't need any comment.
2) That is about as silly as anything this site, evidently run by PG, has ever offered
Last time I checked I was the sole proprietor of this site. With input from an english bulldog that likes to lay on my feet as I type. LOL
I have met the Ford's twice in my entire life. I spoke with Jerry and Andy one time each on the telephone. I do consider Greg Legg a friend, and we do talk semi-regularly. Mostly about our kids and other people's sons that one or the other of us may be trying to help.
If the Ford's are running this website I would humbly request a bit more input from them!
As others have already said .... If you have specific complaints with the PG organization or an individual why don't you "man up" and give Jerry Ford a call, at his office? The contact information is clearly posted on their website. They do not hide or attempt to make themselves anonymous. They offer telephone numbers, mailing address, and email addresses.
The Perfect Game events have evolved to the current form as the result of trial and error. With input from players, parents, college coaches and pro scouts.
No doubt they will continue to change as the customers provides comments and ideas.
The ID camps are a tremendous idea, in my opinion. Where else can a player go and get a truly unbiased opinion with regards to his skill level?
My son never attended a Perfect Game event. But I for one am thankful that there are organizations like Perfect Game (and others) that exist. Without the quality showcases college baseball recruiting would still in the "dark ages."
How unfounded is your comment that seems to state that PG is only interested in the top players? I sat with a bright young coach, from a DII school, at Jupiter this year. That coach was not scouting the elite players. He was looking for the diamond in the rough. I know from talking to him that he had found several such players that "peeked his interest."
That's enough for now .... Bottom Line .... I am a HUGE believer in Perfect Game and will continue to be. These folks are setting the standards and raising the bar for all showcases.
Bob,
"Doing nothing is still a course of action"
I was going to let this thread slide. I believe that most folks can understand that You have a problem with the Perfect Game organization. Although for the life of me I cannot figure out exactly why, from your posts. Unless it is the fact that they are running a business that may or may not be making money.
You did make two (2) statements that I felt compelled to respond to:
1) Why do I care how my son stacks up against competition?
Maybe a statement/question like that really doesn't need any comment.
2) That is about as silly as anything this site, evidently run by PG, has ever offered
Last time I checked I was the sole proprietor of this site. With input from an english bulldog that likes to lay on my feet as I type. LOL
I have met the Ford's twice in my entire life. I spoke with Jerry and Andy one time each on the telephone. I do consider Greg Legg a friend, and we do talk semi-regularly. Mostly about our kids and other people's sons that one or the other of us may be trying to help.
If the Ford's are running this website I would humbly request a bit more input from them!
As others have already said .... If you have specific complaints with the PG organization or an individual why don't you "man up" and give Jerry Ford a call, at his office? The contact information is clearly posted on their website. They do not hide or attempt to make themselves anonymous. They offer telephone numbers, mailing address, and email addresses.
The Perfect Game events have evolved to the current form as the result of trial and error. With input from players, parents, college coaches and pro scouts.
No doubt they will continue to change as the customers provides comments and ideas.
The ID camps are a tremendous idea, in my opinion. Where else can a player go and get a truly unbiased opinion with regards to his skill level?
My son never attended a Perfect Game event. But I for one am thankful that there are organizations like Perfect Game (and others) that exist. Without the quality showcases college baseball recruiting would still in the "dark ages."
How unfounded is your comment that seems to state that PG is only interested in the top players? I sat with a bright young coach, from a DII school, at Jupiter this year. That coach was not scouting the elite players. He was looking for the diamond in the rough. I know from talking to him that he had found several such players that "peeked his interest."
That's enough for now .... Bottom Line .... I am a HUGE believer in Perfect Game and will continue to be. These folks are setting the standards and raising the bar for all showcases.
Bob,
"Doing nothing is still a course of action"
I thought about keeping "mum" but I cannot any longer
Pug--you surely are off the trail and very deep into the woods
I run a showcase and travel team program--yes some think PG and we are competitors--not really--more like two "forces" trying to help kids as best we can--they do their thing and we do ours--yes we talk --maybe not as often as we should but we do talk and I consider the Ford Family to be among my baseball friends
EXPOSURE-- why do you think I take OUR team to THEIR Jupitor event-- you guessed it EXPOSURE--you cannot get any better-- thanx to their event we are able to cap off the recruiting process for our kids and in many instances open new found doors for players
God knows PG does not need me to stand up for them because those on this board know of my respect for their people and their operation but I felt I had to post this
Tom Rizzi
www.collegeselect.org
TRhit
Pug--you surely are off the trail and very deep into the woods
I run a showcase and travel team program--yes some think PG and we are competitors--not really--more like two "forces" trying to help kids as best we can--they do their thing and we do ours--yes we talk --maybe not as often as we should but we do talk and I consider the Ford Family to be among my baseball friends
EXPOSURE-- why do you think I take OUR team to THEIR Jupitor event-- you guessed it EXPOSURE--you cannot get any better-- thanx to their event we are able to cap off the recruiting process for our kids and in many instances open new found doors for players
God knows PG does not need me to stand up for them because those on this board know of my respect for their people and their operation but I felt I had to post this
Tom Rizzi
www.collegeselect.org
TRhit
Posted by PUG,
Pug, only for the sole purpose of informing people correctly regarding the odds. If 52% of all those drafted were to play in the Major Leagues... there would have to be over 300 Major League teams to make room for them all.
quote:
And by the way as you perhaps know since you folks are the experts, only 52% of the boys that are drafted play in the majors. I will not bore you with additional stats.
Pug, only for the sole purpose of informing people correctly regarding the odds. If 52% of all those drafted were to play in the Major Leagues... there would have to be over 300 Major League teams to make room for them all.
Guess my question got over looked with all the bickering going on here.
