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NJ introduces Wood Bat Bill

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DIEGNAN INTRODUCES BILL FOR WOOD BAT-ONLY
YOUTH BASEBALL LEAGUES
Bill Spurred by Spate of Injuries to Pitchers Hit by Line Drives Off Metal Bats;
Measure Would Return 'Crack of the Bat' to New Jersey Ball Fields

(TRENTON) -- Assemblyman Patrick J. Diegnan, Jr. today introduced legislation to return youth and high school baseball leagues to wood-bat-only status, removing from the dugout the expensive high-tech metal bats that have been blamed for serious injuries to amateur ballplayers across the nation.

The measure comes on the heels of a near-fatal injury sustained earlier this month by a 12-year-old pitcher from Wayne, whose heart momentarily stopped after he was struck in the chest by a line drive off a metal bat.

"The speed at which a ball comes off an aluminum bat can be so great that the reaction time for a pitcher to protect himself or herself is reduced to almost zero," said Diegnan (D-Middlesex). "We cannot protect every player against on-field injury, but we can correct a balance of power that has swung disproportionately in favor of hitters using increasingly lethal bats."

Diegnan's legislation would mandate the use of wood bats in all leagues where minors under age 18 participate. An exemption would be granted only for a game in which the visiting team hails from out-of-state.

A 2002 study conducted by researchers at Brown University in Rhode Island showed the differential in the speed of baseballs from metal versus wood bats. The research measured the speed of a ball hit off the fastest metal bat at 93.3 mph; the average speed achieved by the slowest wood model was 86.1 mph.

Overall, only 2 percent of balls hit with a wood bat exceeded 100 mph as opposed to 37 percent of the hits off metal bats.

Physicists attribute the increase in ball speeds to the fact that a metal bat warps slightly when contact is made with a baseball. As the ball leaves the bat, the rebounding metal pushes the ball as it moves outward, increasing its velocity. When a baseball hits a rigid wood bat, it is the ball that warps slightly, forcing a loss in kinetic energy and lowering the velocity of the hit.

Diegnan says that slight difference in speed could mean the difference between a pitcher being hit flush or being able to react enough to deflect -- or catch -- a line drive.

Fields laid out at Little League standards place pitchers 12-years-old and younger 46 feet away from a batter; a line drive hit at 60 miles per hour will reach the pitcher’s mound in only .52 seconds. For a high school pitcher facing a batter 60 feet, six inches away, a ball hit at 80 miles an hour also will reach the mound in only .52 seconds. Since a pitcher generally finishes his delivery several feet closer to home plate, reaction time is further reduced.

"It can take less than a second from the time a pitcher releases a ball to the time he finds that ball careening straight back," said Diegnan. "Anything that can lengthen a fielder’s reaction time -- even fractionally -- can go a long way to preventing a traumatic injury."

Diegnan's measure would be the broadest prohibition on the use of metal baseball bats in the country.

Several individual leagues across the nation have begun to remove metal bats from the dugout. Beginning this fall, several school districts in the Illinois High School Association will enter a pilot program to test wood bats at the interscholastic level. The move was forced after a 16-year-old pitcher was left in a coma for 10 days after a line drive off of an aluminum bat smashed into the side of his head.

All North Dakota high school teams will switch to wood in 2007. Massachusetts' Catholic Conference high school league has used wood bats since 2003, and the Milford Little League in that state switched from metal bats this year after several coaches voiced concerns over the increasing speed of batted balls.

Diegnan noted that advances in wooden bat production have created equipment that is less prone to breakage and cost a fraction of some high-end aluminum bats.

"Babe Ruth, Jackie Robinson, and Roberto Clemente never heard anything except the inimitable and awe-inspiring 'crack' of the bat," said Diegnan. "It is time to do away with the hollow 'ping' and the increased risk of injury aluminum bats brought to New Jersey's ball fields."
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While I am a "woody" at heart, this topic is one that seems to come up as soon as another wood thread dies and we always hear the same song and dance.

A new twist would be...

Should State or National government dictate what kind of bat should or should not be used?

They don't tell football what kind of helmets are legal. Football decides that.

They don't tell Hockey what kind of equipment is legal. Hockey decides that.

And the list goes on.........

Maybe goverment should perfect what they are now woking on and let the people run their lives.
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RZ I don't like the interference either but football and hockey have done a better job protecting their players. Helmet companies compete to make a safer helmet as opposed to bat companies who compete to make their bats more potent. Different objectives in their development and research. Until baseball itself addresses the problem, big brother will fill the void.
deldad it looks like we've agreed to disagree today Big Grin

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but football and hockey have done a better job protecting their players.


Have they? I've see more injuries in football and hockey that in baseball. If the government were to to it's job "for the people" they would address those issues in order of how many it affects. But they havn't, why, because it's not their business.

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Until baseball itself addresses the problem, big brother will fill the void.


I agree about the bats but where does "big brother" stop. This is an issue that has minimal affect on a minimal part of society. Every faction of society has it's "wood bat" cause and if every faction stood up and demanded notice there would be complete gridlock. Manage from within. I sure the helll don't want to turn around every day looking to see what else the goverment has stuck their "lobby" influenced nose into.
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I don't want the government filling the void either, but nature abhors a vacuum. What I was trying to express is that unless leagues and school boards address the problem somebody will and most often it is the least common denominator. I am sure the lobbyist for the bat companies will throw a large amount of money at this issue and this bill will die in committee, it being an election year.
I will never conceed to the fact that I cannot govern my life. Deldad, this is no means a personal statement towards you but a generalization that most people who say let the goverment make the rules have not given a 100% to make a difference themselves. Metal bat companies have every right to say that wood is also dangerous so a compromize might be that Playstation should be the game of choice due to safety concerns.

The State of WI has not had a metal bat related death (?) so why outlaw metal bats? Because someone pushed through a NJ law that was probably attached to another bill. This is a potential time wasting exercise by the government that if passed, would be done for no other reason than removing it from their plate.

Besides, who wants some wimpy polititian who probably never held a bat dictate baseball rules. Logic and history tells me not even to give them a chance to get involved because they could only screw things up.
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Metal bat companies have every right to say that wood is also dangerous...


I can attest to that.

HOWEVER, for the atomic metal bat companies, this is all about $$ and really nothing else. They NEED the college game to use their bats so the HS kids will want them and buy them (at $300/bat) and the LL/Youth kids will do the same.

The fact is the atomic metal bats are considerably more dangerous. No, I don't want the government interceding in every aspect of my life...but how does this get changed? Suggestions?

I think we would ALL agree that the game of baseball is more beautiful/enjoyable when played with a wood bat. But we would probably also agree that we get MUCH enjoyment out of seeing our son hit a dinger in a LL/HS/College game and THAT is more likely with the atomic metal bat.

A friend of mine is a rep. for one of the atomic metal bat companies...he uses this home-run-saved-the-game argument to try and keep the atomic metal bats alive. Personally, I enjoyed the game more without the steroids and atomic bats and without the 70 home runs.
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but how does this get changed? Suggestions?

Let's start out by looking closer to home.

Honest answers now. Who here has not bought a bat because of what it is advertized to do, or because your son said that it will make him better? The percentage of "ban the metal bat" group is highly populated with parents of pitchers, select players, and not the general population.

Now the big one as far as where to start. The National and local LL associations and HS/college coaches associations. You cannot tell me that with the their history, membership, and ESPN exposure they do not carry some influence. But do you see them leading the charge? Why not?

Unless there is the support of those types of groups the argument will fall on deaf ears, and why shouldn't it. You escalate from the bottom up and gain support otherwise you will be viewed as having selfish motives which is easily ignored in the leglislative world.
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This is a National issue, and has been for some time.

....Lord help us and keep our players and pitchers safe from harm's way.

Contrary to a few blogs on this thread, the local, area, county and districts are unable to sustain the required momentum necessary to 'protect our youth'. Thus, State Legislation is required. This means a National resolution!

A large Maryland fall ball leaage used wood for about five years. A few showcases are using wood.

However, the D1 coaches prefer to see metal, since they are unable to 'see' a college prospect hit with wood. Hence, are unable to, and justifiably, sign a HS player who does not hit with wood from another HS players who does hit with metal. (The good ones, though are able to see the few pro prospects who do hit with wood! The idiom being, if you can hit with wood, you can hit with metal!)

I envision the HS Federations to vote on the use of wood sooner than the NCAA.

I envision the JUCO's-NAIA-D3 vote on using wood sooner than the D1's.

Should the owners, MLB, and MLBPU really want to 'reach out and help' our American youth, may I suggest the MLB/MLBPU pass the hat and contribute the $30M that it would take to send a carton of wood bats to every public HS in the country! It would certainly make a statement to No Clue At All, and more importantly, send a 'Ma-Pa, Apple Pie and Chevrolet message to the county and economy!

God Bless America

cheers
Bear
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The reason in my opinion why LL etc are not leading the charge is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$.


Can't argue with that.


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And yes nobody has been killed yet.


Unfortunately that's not the case. From the National Library of Medicine and National Institute of Health:

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.... Blunt chest trauma is reported to cause two to three deaths per year in youth baseball. There appears to be an increased pediatric susceptibility to this type of injury. Unfortunately, these cases are quite resistant to resuscitative therapy. Devices and techniques for primary and secondary prevention exist, but have yet to be systematically verified and implemented.....


This is definitely a tough topic to find a good solution for. On the one hand there's little doubt that wood bats reduce the chance of injury from a batted ball. On the other hand wood bats do break and there MIGHT be an increased cost of replacing several bats per year (but you can buy several wood bats for the price of one super atomic titanium plated aluminum bat).

I believe that if the bat companies worked at it they could develop an aluminum bat that had all the characteristics of a wood bat (including the size of the 'sweet' spot). Unfortunately that won't sell bats, so some organization (LL, PONY, NFHS, or government) is going to need to take the lead if anything is going to change. I'd rather see the baseball sanctioning organizations do something rather than have state or federal governments meddling, but is that going to happen?
Since now both NJ & NYC are considering these types of bans, I have a question for the board.

My experience has been that it takes a long time for new legislation to be implemented (9 months here for smoking bans)

How long before this legislation is passed before you think it will be implemented?


I would think it would have to be passed really soon to impact this springs season....
Great thread.

When there are conflicting values, the debate is very interesting.

For me, I think the government should generally NOT insert itself in this kind of question. But I would LOVE an all wood world in baseball.

So, my values are in conflict. That requires a choice. Which is the higher value?

For me, I want the government to stay out of this kind of stuff. Rz1, I am with you.

This is not the appropriate role of government in a free society. For me, that is more important than the mere fact that I tend to agree with the regulation being proposed.
Government intervention? I'm hearing that it does not belong in this issue....but already legislation exits to protect us...and our children....OSHA.....FDA.....CPS....EPA...hey guys...I'm thinking that if this was an issue of plant safety where it was proven that machine A was safer to operate than machine B....machine A would be in production....and you have the NLRB/union/management laws to back that up...if not OSHA.....and they wouldn't need too many injuries before it became standard operating procedure...machine A that is!

....and what about anti-trust laws? Granted there are several manufacturers making aluminum bats....but they have the power....the lobbyists...what can everyday Joe do against them? It takes legislation to topple these guys.....it can't be done by individuals....and yes....we would have gladly switched son to wood at any stage of youth baseball....he always practiced with it.....he prefers wood.....

Aluminum bats are not in the best interests of our kids.....
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