NLI signed, then offer pulled???

CaCO3Girl posted:

rynoattack posted:

One change of decision does not an unethical person make.  I hope for your son's sake that he never changes his mind, for fear you label your own son unethical...

I am truly happy it worked out for your son. I understand your point that sometimes it is what is best for the kid...however...to your point about my son, I have told him that if he isn't 100% sure then don't commit to anything. I don't know IS an acceptable answer.

 It is VERY true that 12 year olds are being offered and there is no way for them to be sure about anything.  However, I have found that many of these younger players parents are saying "Thank you for your consideration, we will let you know when he is ready to make a choice."...this is ALSO an acceptable answer.

While I generally agree with you regarding honoring commitments, it's very idealistic.  Things are different these days.  Years ago a handshake is all you needed.  Today, it's an army of lawyers and legal documents.  Part of the problem is the NCAA for allowing these "commitments" in the first place.  

CaCO3Girl posted:

rynoattack posted:

Shoveit4Ks posted:

I'll raise my hand and testify that my son doesn't have "bad ethics". He committed and then de-committed when he felt the desire to be closer to home. Judge him/us as you will. It's a two way street in this business and yes, it is a business and it's all worked out quite nicely up to this point. Sorry to hear about any kid who goes thru the situation in the OP, best of luck to him landing somewhere and continuing to play ball.

I took issue with the bad ethics statement too.  If you don't know the whole story, then I am not sure how you can paint everything with the same brush.  Most situations are unique, and all you can do is make the best decision at that particular time.  Circumstances change on both sides, and honestly, if a coach comes to your kid and says it just isn't going to work out, he is probably doing your kid a favor.  Why go somewhere when you are obviously no longer wanted?

Please help me understand the de-commit thing.  How does a kid not really consider how far he wants to be away from home?  How does a kid not know he's on the bottom end of the academic window?  How does a coach not know every nuance of the kid he just offered?

People spend years and years looking for where they play in college, sending out videos, sending out schedules, going on visits...etc.  Doesn't it make sense to vet the school/program/player completely before the offer is made/accepted?  I get that when you show up the program may not be all that you thought it would be but to commit without knowing these basic things...I don't get it.

There are many reasons players decommit that have nothing to do with their strength of character. I have heard of multiple instances where the NLI ultimately did not reflect what the coach had verbally promised the player, and family could no longer afford the price of the school. In my son's case, the pitching coach left for another job. My son was open to working with a new pitching coach, but the program decided to not to refill the position and instead to proceed without a pitching coach. My son felt strongly that he needed a dedicated pitching coach at the college level in order to reach his potential. I couldn't be prouder of how he handled the difficult conversation with the head coach. There are many legitimate reasons why both college coaches and players fail to uphold a verbal commitment. It seems wrong to judge others in a blanket fashion without knowing the circumstances.

Enjoying the Ride posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

rynoattack posted:

Shoveit4Ks posted:

I'll raise my hand and testify that my son doesn't have "bad ethics". He committed and then de-committed when he felt the desire to be closer to home. Judge him/us as you will. It's a two way street in this business and yes, it is a business and it's all worked out quite nicely up to this point. Sorry to hear about any kid who goes thru the situation in the OP, best of luck to him landing somewhere and continuing to play ball.

I took issue with the bad ethics statement too.  If you don't know the whole story, then I am not sure how you can paint everything with the same brush.  Most situations are unique, and all you can do is make the best decision at that particular time.  Circumstances change on both sides, and honestly, if a coach comes to your kid and says it just isn't going to work out, he is probably doing your kid a favor.  Why go somewhere when you are obviously no longer wanted?

Please help me understand the de-commit thing.  How does a kid not really consider how far he wants to be away from home?  How does a kid not know he's on the bottom end of the academic window?  How does a coach not know every nuance of the kid he just offered?

People spend years and years looking for where they play in college, sending out videos, sending out schedules, going on visits...etc.  Doesn't it make sense to vet the school/program/player completely before the offer is made/accepted?  I get that when you show up the program may not be all that you thought it would be but to commit without knowing these basic things...I don't get it.

There are many reasons players decommit that have nothing to do with their strength of character. I have heard of multiple instances where the NLI ultimately did not reflect what the coach had verbally promised the player, and family could no longer afford the price of the school. In my son's case, the pitching coach left for another job. My son was open to working with a new pitching coach, but the program decided to not to refill the position and instead to proceed without a pitching coach. My son felt strongly that he needed a dedicated pitching coach at the college level in order to reach his potential. I couldn't be prouder of how he handled the difficult conversation with the head coach. There are many legitimate reasons why both college coaches and players fail to uphold a verbal commitment. It seems wrong to judge others in a blanket fashion without knowing the circumstances.

I think you eloquently stated what I was trying to get across.  You can't paint everything with the same brush...

Enjoying the Ride posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

rynoattack posted:

Shoveit4Ks posted:

I'll raise my hand and testify that my son doesn't have "bad ethics". He committed and then de-committed when he felt the desire to be closer to home. Judge him/us as you will. It's a two way street in this business and yes, it is a business and it's all worked out quite nicely up to this point. Sorry to hear about any kid who goes thru the situation in the OP, best of luck to him landing somewhere and continuing to play ball.

I took issue with the bad ethics statement too.  If you don't know the whole story, then I am not sure how you can paint everything with the same brush.  Most situations are unique, and all you can do is make the best decision at that particular time.  Circumstances change on both sides, and honestly, if a coach comes to your kid and says it just isn't going to work out, he is probably doing your kid a favor.  Why go somewhere when you are obviously no longer wanted?

Please help me understand the de-commit thing.  How does a kid not really consider how far he wants to be away from home?  How does a kid not know he's on the bottom end of the academic window?  How does a coach not know every nuance of the kid he just offered?

People spend years and years looking for where they play in college, sending out videos, sending out schedules, going on visits...etc.  Doesn't it make sense to vet the school/program/player completely before the offer is made/accepted?  I get that when you show up the program may not be all that you thought it would be but to commit without knowing these basic things...I don't get it.

There are many reasons players decommit that have nothing to do with their strength of character. I have heard of multiple instances where the NLI ultimately did not reflect what the coach had verbally promised the player, and family could no longer afford the price of the school. In my son's case, the pitching coach left for another job. My son was open to working with a new pitching coach, but the program decided to not to refill the position and instead to proceed without a pitching coach. My son felt strongly that he needed a dedicated pitching coach at the college level in order to reach his potential. I couldn't be prouder of how he handled the difficult conversation with the head coach. There are many legitimate reasons why both college coaches and players fail to uphold a verbal commitment. It seems wrong to judge others in a blanket fashion without knowing the circumstances.

This past weekend, we found out that one of my son's teammates had decommitted from his D-1.  His mother was completely distraught about the situation.  She said that she was now worried that her son wouldn't have anywhere to play, and that she now wasn't sure he would even be going to school in the fall.  (I must admit that I think she was being a little dramatic, but she was VERY upset.)

Now, I only have one side of the story, so I am not 100% certain of the details, but here is what she said. 

Her son is a 3.9 - 4.0 type student, with a 31 ACT Score. The D-1 in question is a prestigious school, and a pretty good baseball school.  (50k per year)  Kid hits 90 - 92 regularly, and has touched 95, but he gets rocked a lot.  (ERA 7.5)  Mother contends that the coach told her son that he would most likely qualify for a substantial Academic Scholarship based on his GPA and ACT, but that it was NOT guaranteed.  By the way, I am not sure how much, or if any baseball money, but I would assume throwing 90 - 92 would have gotten him some money.  Anyhow, he did not get the academic money, and come to find out, HE NEVER WAS ELIGIBLE for that Academic Scholarship!  If this is true, which again I only have one side of the story, the coach was out of line.

As some have stated previously, a lot of parents misrepresent the offers that their son received, and I do believe sometimes it is because they hear what they want to hear.  Speaking from experience, it is exciting for your son to receive offers, and many years of hard work are coming to fruition.  Please be careful that you and your son are listening to the details!  Do not just hear what you want to hear!  While I do not agree with some saying that a kid is acting "unethically" when the decommit, they/me/you may be acting negligently when receiving an offer.  Do your due diligence, and make sure that you understand exactly what is being offered. 

2019 -- going back to your response to my comment about the ASU story on page 2 of this thread -- If you're familiar with this, a question:  For those who initially did not have 4-year guarantees, would the process not involve them signing new NLI's year to year?  And if so, do those new ones not have the guarantees either?  Or were the programs somehow grandfathered with respect to the older guys?

As to trusting or not trusting coaches:  I think they are like us lawyers.  99% are trustworthy.  The other 1% cause a lot of problems that you hear a ton about. 

Knowing which few coaches are in that 1% is part of your travel program's leaders' job.  I know there are some programs where, if a player expresses interest, I will have a private conversation with the player and possibly also his parents about known past events and how to guard against problems.

Golfman25 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

rynoattack posted:

One change of decision does not an unethical person make.  I hope for your son's sake that he never changes his mind, for fear you label your own son unethical...

I am truly happy it worked out for your son. I understand your point that sometimes it is what is best for the kid...however...to your point about my son, I have told him that if he isn't 100% sure then don't commit to anything. I don't know IS an acceptable answer.

 It is VERY true that 12 year olds are being offered and there is no way for them to be sure about anything.  However, I have found that many of these younger players parents are saying "Thank you for your consideration, we will let you know when he is ready to make a choice."...this is ALSO an acceptable answer.

While I generally agree with you regarding honoring commitments, it's very idealistic.  Things are different these days.  Years ago a handshake is all you needed.  Today, it's an army of lawyers and legal documents.  Part of the problem is the NCAA for allowing these "commitments" in the first place.  

I will add to your last statement  "...allowing these commitments in the first place, but not allowing an NLI to be signed when the commitment is made."

Wouldn't that "fix it" to some degree?

There are many reasons players decommit that have nothing to do with their strength of character. I have heard of multiple instances where the NLI ultimately did not reflect what the coach had verbally promised the player, and family could no longer afford the price of the school. In my son's case, the pitching coach left for another job. My son was open to working with a new pitching coach, but the program decided to not to refill the position and instead to proceed without a pitching coach. My son felt strongly that he needed a dedicated pitching coach at the college level in order to reach his potential. I couldn't be prouder of how he handled the difficult conversation with the head coach. There are many legitimate reasons why both college coaches and players fail to uphold a verbal commitment. It seems wrong to judge others in a blanket fashion without knowing the circumstances.

This is probably one of the best examples of when a decommit makes perfect sense and anyone that would call into question this kid's integrity might want to reconsider.  The other example where a kid decommits from an academy is another example of where the kid is probably doing what is best for all - him and the program.  We seem to give the coaches some slack and many have said that when a coach tells some kid he "ought to go elsewhere", he's doing the kid a big favor.  Additionally, who really cares if some other kid is lacking integrity?  Don't we always say "control what you can control"?  If you want to call out your own kid (assuming you have ALL the facts) for decommitting, feel free to, but for others, the best approach might be to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Wow. Gotta look into that ASU thing.   I found this:

http://www.azcentral.com/story...-baseball/313089001/

and this:

http://www.houseofsparky.com/2...smissed-from-program

FWIW, from what I know (admittedly not very much) Coach Smith is very highly regarded and  expected to bring ASU back to the level its grads and fans are accustomed to.  But it's been slow to happen so far, and the 2017 class is highly touted, so making some room might make sense. But it's sure disrupting lives and ruffling  feathers.  

D1 baseball is not for the faint-hearted.

JCG posted:

Wow. Gotta look into that ASU thing.   I found this:

http://www.azcentral.com/story...-baseball/313089001/

and this:

http://www.houseofsparky.com/2...smissed-from-program

FWIW, from what I know (admittedly not very much) Coach Smith is very highly regarded and  expected to bring ASU back to the level its grads and fans are accustomed to.  But it's been slow to happen so far, and the 2017 class is highly touted, so making some room might make sense. But it's sure disrupting lives and ruffling  feathers.  

D1 baseball is not for the faint-hearted.

 

Coach Smith might have been highly regarded when he arrived on campus, now though? Not so much.

This season for the sun devils has been an absolute train wreck (to put it mildly). Here is some very interesting reading that will give you a good idea of how the 'faithful' feel:

http://www.scout.com/college/a...s/1682-devils-dugout

A coach inviting one of his adult children (23 or 24 yrs old?) into the clubhouse (occasionally) to spar with players? Probably not a really good idea...lol

Wow.

DesertDuck posted:

JCG posted:

Wow. Gotta look into that ASU thing.   I found this:

http://www.azcentral.com/story...-baseball/313089001/

and this:

http://www.houseofsparky.com/2...smissed-from-program

FWIW, from what I know (admittedly not very much) Coach Smith is very highly regarded and  expected to bring ASU back to the level its grads and fans are accustomed to.  But it's been slow to happen so far, and the 2017 class is highly touted, so making some room might make sense. But it's sure disrupting lives and ruffling  feathers.  

D1 baseball is not for the faint-hearted.

 

Coach Smith might have been highly regarded when he arrived on campus, now though? Not so much.

This season for the sun devils has been an absolute train wreck (to put it mildly). Here is some very interesting reading that will give you a good idea of how the 'faithful' feel:

http://www.scout.com/college/a...s/1682-devils-dugout

A coach inviting one of his adult children (23 or 24 yrs old?) into the clubhouse (occasionally) to spar with players? Probably not a really good idea...lol

I was disappointed when he left IU.  Now, good riddance. 

 

I was disappointed when he left IU.  Now, good riddance. 

LOL....And there are quite a few willing to pony up to send him back to IU with a first class one-way ticket!

There has even been mention of fans/alumni kicking cash into a  'gofundme' account to cover his buy-out (cuz the school might be too cheap to do it themselves)!

Haha (sorry for the lol's...I'm not a big scumdevil fan)

JCG posted:

Wow. Gotta look into that ASU thing.   I found this:

http://www.azcentral.com/story...-baseball/313089001/

and this:

http://www.houseofsparky.com/2...smissed-from-program

FWIW, from what I know (admittedly not very much) Coach Smith is very highly regarded and  expected to bring ASU back to the level its grads and fans are accustomed to.  But it's been slow to happen so far, and the 2017 class is highly touted, so making some room might make sense. But it's sure disrupting lives and ruffling  feathers.  

D1 baseball is not for the faint-hearted.

 

Any time a new coach comes in all bets are off for existing players unless they are studs. Anyone on the short end of the new stick is going to have a lot of hard feelings. It's the way the game is played. The returning players are not the coach's recruits.

One player was tossed due to disciplinary problems. The Smith took the high road "no comment" route other than to say he had enough. The player took the low road. This year's teams lost six recruits to signing when it was expected to lose one.

In the long run no one loves coaches because they win "good guy" awards. Coaches are loved because they win. Smith was brought in to clean up a program that went south more than on the field. 

ASU made the tournament the past two years. It's unlikely this year. Smith was given an eight year contract to get ASU back to the elite.

His past resume speaks for itself. He also has a reputation of his teams having a 100 APR.

Fan and booster club discussion boards are a great place to avoid if you want the objective truth. They're also a great place to avoid if your kid is on the team and you want to avoid feeling like reaching down the internet and smacking a clueless, biased moron. 

I stayed away for a bit after my post. I figured i need to respond and add some clarity. For the record this a verbal commit then decommit not a signed NLI deal.

You can do all the research you want, slice it and dice it six ways to Sunday all you want, it's you and your kid. If you want to change you mind and take a risk that you may not get an offer because; 1. You are unethical 2. You are late into the process 3. You're a Sub 6" RHP (Commodity).......and you decide to do it anyway and bet on yourself and land at a Power 5 D1 and become a starter, then closer in your second season........ pretty freaking lucky and i will take that.

Mind you, i warned him of ALL the risks and told him he may have to walk on somewhere and he said, "Dad, I'll bet on myself and i'm fine with that ...if that's what happens." 

Was i nervous, Hell yeah. Is it his life? Hell yeah. I'll lie with the dogs on this one and i bet when i get up, ain't no fleas.

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

RJM posted:

JCG posted:

Wow. Gotta look into that ASU thing.   I found this:

http://www.azcentral.com/story...-baseball/313089001/

and this:

http://www.houseofsparky.com/2...smissed-from-program

FWIW, from what I know (admittedly not very much) Coach Smith is very highly regarded and  expected to bring ASU back to the level its grads and fans are accustomed to.  But it's been slow to happen so far, and the 2017 class is highly touted, so making some room might make sense. But it's sure disrupting lives and ruffling  feathers.  

D1 baseball is not for the faint-hearted.

 

Any time a new coach comes in all bets are off for existing players unless they are studs. Anyone on the short end of the new stick is going to have a lot of hard feelings. It's the way the game is played. The returning players are not the coach's recruits.

One player was tossed due to disciplinary problems. The Smith took the high road "no comment" route other than to say he had enough. The player took the low road. This year's teams lost six recruits to signing when it was expected to lose one.

In the long run no one loves coaches because they win "good guy" awards. Coaches are loved because they win. Smith was brought in to clean up a program that went south more than on the field. 

ASU made the tournament the past two years. It's unlikely this year. Smith was given an eight year contract to get ASU back to the elite.

His past resume speaks for itself. He also has a reputation of his teams having a 100 APR.

I don't know much about the guy, or how the program is or isn't run, but I will tell you, that I follow him on Twitter.  I have been following him for awhile, and I love how he answers fans questions.  He seems like a pretty good guy.

d-mac posted:

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

This is outside what the school did with the NLI. You say you believe the coaching staff made a mistake evaluating the player. Did the player and his parents make a mistake evaluating the kid's ability to play there? Was he reaching beyond his ability? A lot of kids do and end up transferring. 

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

This is outside what the school did with the NLI. You say you believe the coaching staff made a mistake evaluating the player. Did the player and his parents make a mistake evaluating the kid's ability to play there? Was he reaching beyond his ability? A lot of kids do and end up transferring. 

Probably so.  When he was a Sophomore he was recruited based off of a tool.  He still has that, but the other tools have not developed to the D1 level.  How many kids are going to turn down a D1 offer because they don't think they have that ability?   

Fair point from D-Mac.  In the big world of college baseball, the coaches are the ones who are supposed to know what makes a D1 player more than the kid or the parents.  If a D1 coach makes an offer to a kid after Sophomore year, any kid should rightly believe they are wanted by that school and can play there. 

Now if a kid gets into trouble, oe doesn't make the grades or test scores necessary, then all bets are off.  But I would take the position based on the description that this is on the coach who made the mistake.  Now if the team was as bad as D-Mac noted, chances are this coach may have made a number of other mistakes in recruiting his roster.  Who knows, this coach could be relieved of his duties after this season or next year if the losing continues, and then the kid should be grateful the coach gave him a lifeboat to get into from a sinking ship.  As the above stories about ASU show, a new coach coming in may take several years clearing up the roster to find his players, so it is very risky to be on a team that experiences a coaching change.

d-mac posted:

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

This is outside what the school did with the NLI. You say you believe the coaching staff made a mistake evaluating the player. Did the player and his parents make a mistake evaluating the kid's ability to play there? Was he reaching beyond his ability? A lot of kids do and end up transferring. 

Probably so.  When he was a Sophomore he was recruited based off of a tool.  He still has that, but the other tools have not developed to the D1 level.  How many kids are going to turn down a D1 offer because they don't think they have that ability?   

Exactly.

This is a good example of why the process is not black and white.  This is a perfect example of why, at times, it is OK for the player to decommit. 

This whole thing ain't easy for either side.  

From a school/coach/RC side, how many times can you realistically see a player, really get to know him, really project his potential?  How accurate is the info you are gathering?  You are researching and talking to a hundred prospects while coaching your current 35 every day along with the very-time-consuming administration and logistics portion of your job.  How long can you wait 'til you offer before you lose him to the next school?  How many signees are you going to lose to admissions, change-of-heart, being strung along by kids who are rightfully afraid to burn bridges, etc.  How may are not going to handle the rigors of the college/baseball life?  How many are going to under-perform?  How much over-recruiting do you need to do to account for all that?  Is it possible to hit that magic number perfectly and still be competitive year in and year out?  Very unlikely.  If the school comes up short of quality players (per position), HC is screwed.  If the school comes up heavy (per position), a player is screwed.  Nearly impossible to get everything right.

From the player side, how do you know what the best offer is, how much time you have to find the best fit, where the best fit is, whether you are accurately interpreting what the coach is telling you through your excitement of this first-time experience.  Will you pass admissions?  How much athletic and academic $ will you actually get?  Can you/your parents afford the difference?  Will the environment be a fit?  How will you handle life on your own?  RC saw me on a really good day, can I live up to that?  How much better will you get by next year?  Will this passionate baseball pursuit allow for a sensible career/school choice (crap, I'm only 16, how the hell should I know)?  Why isn't my travel coach helping more?  Why is no one talking to me after that showcase?  Do I need to take that other offer?  

Really, what are the odds of both sides getting it right?   

Some families try to do this on their own.  Many just expect things to come to them.  By the time they learn that isn't the way it works, they are way behind the 8-ball.  Some rely on travel organizations.  Some are good, some are not so much.   Most have their specific connections.  Sometimes those connections fit the player.  Sometimes, not.  when the latter happens, the player can find himself behind the 8-ball.  

d-mac posted:

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

This is outside what the school did with the NLI. You say you believe the coaching staff made a mistake evaluating the player. Did the player and his parents make a mistake evaluating the kid's ability to play there? Was he reaching beyond his ability? A lot of kids do and end up transferring. 

Probably so.  When he was a Sophomore he was recruited based off of a tool.  He still has that, but the other tools have not developed to the D1 level.  How many kids are going to turn down a D1 offer because they don't think they have that ability?   

It's where the parent(s) have to step in and see he doesn't compare to other D1 prospects. But they have to have that ability. Did he receive other D1 offers.

A kid on my son's travel team took a D1 offer. It didn't work out. He left after a year. It was the only D1 offer he received. He had several quality D2 offers. In my mind only one D1 offer would be a red flag on my decision process.

Wait! A poster on this board says D1 prospects and their dads know people and get a lot of guidance. 

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

This is outside what the school did with the NLI. You say you believe the coaching staff made a mistake evaluating the player. Did the player and his parents make a mistake evaluating the kid's ability to play there? Was he reaching beyond his ability? A lot of kids do and end up transferring. 

Probably so.  When he was a Sophomore he was recruited based off of a tool.  He still has that, but the other tools have not developed to the D1 level.  How many kids are going to turn down a D1 offer because they don't think they have that ability?   

It's where the parent(s) have to step in and see he doesn't compare to other D1 prospects. But they have to have that ability. Did he receive other D1 offers.

A kid on my son's travel team took a D1 offer. It didn't work out. He left after a year. It was the only D1 offer he received. He had several quality D2 offers. In my mind only one D1 offer would be a red flag on my decision process.

Wait! A poster on this board says D1 prospects and their dads know people and get a lot of guidance. 

By your own definition, the kid wasn't a D1 "prospect" with only 1 offer. 

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

This is outside what the school did with the NLI. You say you believe the coaching staff made a mistake evaluating the player. Did the player and his parents make a mistake evaluating the kid's ability to play there? Was he reaching beyond his ability? A lot of kids do and end up transferring. 

Probably so.  When he was a Sophomore he was recruited based off of a tool.  He still has that, but the other tools have not developed to the D1 level.  How many kids are going to turn down a D1 offer because they don't think they have that ability?   

It's where the parent(s) have to step in and see he doesn't compare to other D1 prospects. But they have to have that ability. Did he receive other D1 offers.

A kid on my son's travel team took a D1 offer. It didn't work out. He left after a year. It was the only D1 offer he received. He had several quality D2 offers. In my mind only one D1 offer would be a red flag on my decision process.

Wait! A poster on this board says D1 prospects and their dads know people and get a lot of guidance. 

Once a kid announces a D1 commitment, how common is it for other D1's to make an offer. Are you saying, don't accept the first D1 offer you get?

The recruiting process stops once a committment is announced.

Never accept any offer unless it's the right offer, that means different things for different players and their families.  

I believe situations like in this topic occur because players are afraid that offer might be the only offer.

2019Dad posted:

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

RJM posted:

d-mac posted:

I'm the one who posted about the kid in question on this topic.  Grades were not an issue, NHS kid with a mid 20's ACT.  The kid committed the Summer after his Sophomore season and signed this year.  He was told last week that he hadn't progressed enough.  He could be a student and get his baseball scholarship for one year.  He was told it was in his best interest to go ahead and find another school so that he wouldn't have to sit out a year.  The college in question is having a terrible season and I'm sure that played a role.  My guess is that they are looking for impact players to turn it around next year.  In my opinion it was a simple misevaluation by the staff from the beginning, but the timing of dropping the kid was absolutely terrible.  There are not a lot of options this late in the year.  

This is the second kid that I know of that has been dropped late.  The other kid was 100% on him, this one is 100% on the college coach.  For the kid, it will probably work out for the best.  I don't think he was ever going to get on the field at that school and now hopefully he can find somewhere he can.  For the college, they burned some bridges that will never be repaired. 

This is outside what the school did with the NLI. You say you believe the coaching staff made a mistake evaluating the player. Did the player and his parents make a mistake evaluating the kid's ability to play there? Was he reaching beyond his ability? A lot of kids do and end up transferring. 

Probably so.  When he was a Sophomore he was recruited based off of a tool.  He still has that, but the other tools have not developed to the D1 level.  How many kids are going to turn down a D1 offer because they don't think they have that ability?   

It's where the parent(s) have to step in and see he doesn't compare to other D1 prospects. But they have to have that ability. Did he receive other D1 offers.

A kid on my son's travel team took a D1 offer. It didn't work out. He left after a year. It was the only D1 offer he received. He had several quality D2 offers. In my mind only one D1 offer would be a red flag on my decision process.

Wait! A poster on this board says D1 prospects and their dads know people and get a lot of guidance. 

Once a kid announces a D1 commitment, how common is it for other D1's to make an offer. Are you saying, don't accept the first D1 offer you get?

In my son's experience, once he decommitted, the offers didn't start rolling in.  He had to work hard to get back on the radar.  It wasn't an easy road.  Decommitting isn't for the faint of hart.  Therefore, do your due diligence and try to make sure you have the right fit.