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CADadCADad5,000+ posts
I noticed an article today that talked about the difference in desire between two varsity HS freshman both of whom are his students. He named the one he thought had desire. No problem there, give credit where credit is due. Then he named the one he thought didn't have desire. He may have been trying to motivate the second player but in my book this shows absolutely no class.
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FutureBack.MomFutureBack.Mom1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Dear old Dad:
Even praising a kid publicly can backfire. The varsity coach in my town was asked by the paper about his SS who was a freshman. The coach said, The kid is great, I wish I had nine players like him."

The next day at practice all the starters had that kids name written on the back of their shirt.


I am just getting a big chuckle out of that story ... Ahh, the inventiveness of youth ... that is a great story and I am sure their point was well made.
ClevelandDadClevelandDadHSBBWeb Administrator
No class indeed! No class by the hometown newspaper either Roll Eyes They did not need to publish that quote. Our newspapers up here (at the lovely North Coast) are pretty good about things. They do not even publish a kid's name who makes an error. I always felt that was a pretty good policy for amateurs. I wish it was like that in college Big Grin
W Will1,000+ posts
If I somehow would return to coach(I probably would be declared insane) and reading on this site and talking to some present coaches I think I would follow the policy that if I ever had to say anything that would be recorded or written down or had any chance of being repeated no matter what the occassion I would just praise everybody even if they stunk up the joint. can you get in hot water for that?
CM Coach May1,000+ posts
Its just plain common sense. Never say anything negative about your players outside your coaching circle. Why any coach would make a negative remark about one of his players to anyone muchless the press is beyond me. To motivate? No that is called something else. Quite frankly its stupid. And its sad for the player and the team. If the coaches are sitting around talking about who should play and who should dh etc - talking about attitudes and work ethic thats between the coaches and no one else. To put anything out there for the public to read that is in anyway negative about your players is so out there its beyond me.

It doesnt matter if its true or not. Thats not the point. There are alot of things that might be true you wouldnt want put in the paper. Some of those things could be said about coaches as well. Keep your dirty laundry in house and deal with it the right way. Very sad indeed in my book.
coach2709coach270910,000+ posts
When you criticize publicly you are destroying a trust the player has in you. Players realize they are going to be criticized by coaches when they mess up but it needs to be done in practice where only the team can see or hear it or in an office somewhere alone.

We want these kids to buy into the team concept and when you throw them to the wolves they are not going to buy into it. If a kid sees a coach "take one for the team" and puts a nice spin on comments then the player appreciates it. Now when you tell them something they will listen.

Guys see stuff on ESPN about how Jim Leyland called out Gary Sheffield for not hustling in an interview and think it will work with high school kids. That is comparing apples to tornados. A pro ballplayer has a different type of ego and needs to be reached differently than a high school kid.
FutureBack.MomFutureBack.Mom1,000+ posts
Will ...
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if I ever had to say anything that would be recorded or written down or had any chance of being repeated no matter what the occassion I would just praise everybody even if they stunk up the joint. can you get in hot water for that?


Just have to learn some of the cliches that you hear from the players themselves ... all positive, humble, and teammate supportive ... and adapt them to a coach's perspective. Wink
W Will1,000+ posts
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That is called being untruthful


some people cant't handle the truth.

Listen to all. I would never say anything to a reporter or any other media person that in any way would put any of my players in a bad light. bottom light. In my day on occassion if I had something to say I said it to the team or the player behind closed doors. I did not sugar coat it. if you stunk up the joint I told you. but after it was over it was over.
JC Jeff Connell100+ posts
I believe how you talk to some players is different from others. I have two high school sons. Each one is motivated differently. The older one will not handle criticism very well. He needs to be encouraged and if he does something wrong, just tell him what he did but don't belittle him outloud or to the team. The other takes everything in and can be motivated outloud. He wants to be challenged. The coach will not see the difference but as a parent, I can tell it from the stands at the end of the game what the coach has said by how each one responds.
Each player is different. They must be motivated differently, but never in the paper.
CM Coach May1,000+ posts
They are all different. You hold them all to the same rules but you treat them differently because they are different. A good coach learns his players and knows his players. He knows who he needs to jump and who he needs to talk to quietly and encourage. Whats the goal when you jump a kid? Its to get the best out of him and to help him be a better player. Its not about what makes you feel better as a coach. Its about whats best for the player and the team. Some guys need you to jump them and challenge them. Some guys need you to take them aside and quietly explain things to them and encourage them. They are all different and respond differently.

When I hear someone say "Treat them all the same." I know they have never coached or they have and never quite got it. You hold them all accountable to the same rules. But you can not treat them all the same and expect to be helping them all. They are individuals and they are different and require different approaches. Treat them all fair. Treat them with the same respect you would want your own son treated with. And treat them in a manner that will bring out the best in them.

Thats what a coach should do.

Never in the Newspaper. Thas BS.
P powertoallfields1,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Coach May:
They are all different. You hold them all to the same rules but you treat them differently because they are different. A good coach learns his players and knows his players. He knows who he needs to jump and who he needs to talk to quietly and encourage. Whats the goal when you jump a kid? Its to get the best out of him and to help him be a better player. Its not about what makes you feel better as a coach. Its about whats best for the player and the team. Some guys need you to jump them and challenge them. Some guys need you to take them aside and quietly explain things to them and encourage them. They are all different and respond differently.

When I hear someone say "Treat them all the same." I know they have never coached or they have and never quite got it. You hold them all accountable to the same rules. But you can not treat them all the same and expect to be helping them all. They are individuals and they are different and require different approaches. Treat them all fair. Treat them with the same respect you would want your own son treated with. And treat them in a manner that will bring out the best in them.

Thats what a coach should do.

Never in the Newspaper. Thas BS.




This quality is the difference in a good Coach and a Great Coach, IMO.
NK Nick KittMember
"Praise in public; criticize in private."

While I agree wholeheartedly with that idea,I criticize the person saying it. My personal experience with coach 2709 is one in when he chose,in the course of a debate,to criticize as well as insult my children on a public website. So while he is knowledgeable in the sport of baseball,I would take any advice he has to offer regarding matters of civility,in sports or otherwise, with a large grain of salt.

No class at ALL, coach 2709.

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